CHYCHRUN Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Many trades by GM Jim and very little draft picks. Wasn't the biggest complaint about Mike Gillis, that he traded away too many picks? How many has Jim traded away already? Another question; Wasn't Jim hired because of his scouting background? Last year it pained me to watch Jim sit at his draft table twiddling his thumbs knowing he could steal a great player here or there.... and now he's just traded away an extremely high second round pick. Since the Aquilini group have been the owners, this seems to be the norm. The win now and keep the cupboards empty philosophy is really starting to anger me. Jims strengths are drafting yet he won't have any meaningful picks to make. Heck, anybody on this forum can make the 1st pick. Sure he's traded for a bunch of mid 20 yr old players but in 3 years when most of our vets are adios and these players will be approaching 30, we will have a handful of young guys.... meaning more mediocrity. Just make the playoffs right? That's the mandate is it not? Jim has done a great job of drafting, don't get me wrong... my point being... he should be drafting more then once in the first half of an NHL draft and he sure as heck shouldn't have the least amount of picks in the entire league. "You build your team through the draft", those are the words of Jim Benning. If that's the case, shouldn't you retain your draft picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 If the players acquired through trades are worthwhile, then trading the pick was worth it. Gillis traded his picks for rental players in the hope that he could reignite that 2011 fire. In the process (pun not intended) he destroyed our prospect pool, and look where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 oh good, we will have a bidding war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieeater55 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Qwags said: If the players acquired through trades are worthwhile, then trading the pick was worth it. Gillis traded his picks for rental players in the hope that he could reignite that 2011 fire. In the process (pun not intended) he destroyed our prospect pool, and look where we are now. cdc will never get quality for quality trades. lol they in the gm mode trades on their consoles XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHYCHRUN Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Qwags said: If the players acquired through trades are worthwhile, then trading the pick was worth it. Gillis traded his picks for rental players in the hope that he could reignite that 2011 fire. In the process (pun not intended) he destroyed our prospect pool, and look where we are now. We contended for the Stanley Cup under Gillis... he made those rental deals in hopes to win a cup... at the end of the day, it got him fired. We are re-building now, yet we are trading away picks left right and centre yet the GM is a scout. How many picks do we get in the first 4 rounds of this draft coming up? How many did we have in the first 4 rounds last year? This is stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I'd bet money on Gudbranson > 2nd round pick Plus, JB scouted the hell out of him before trading for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 It would be interesting to survey other GM around the league and see if they'd make the same deal Benning did. I bet you'd find 90% of them would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHYCHRUN Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Green Building said: I'd bet money on Gudbranson > 2nd round pick Plus, JB scouted the hell out of him before trading for him. That wasn't the trade though. We gave up a wonderful prospect in McCann and if you believe in Jim, another wonderful prospect with the 33rd pick in this years draft for what we know is a good stay at home d-man. Don't get me wrong I don't mind the player and that's not the point of this topic. I have no issues with Gudbranson. I just think Jim is best used at the draft and here we are another season of very few picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 20 minutes ago, CHYCHRUN said: Last year it pained me to watch Jim sit at his draft table twiddling his thumbs knowing he could steal a great player here or there.... and now he's just traded away an extremely high second round pick. Yup, that's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHYCHRUN Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: It would be interesting to survey other GM around the league and see if they'd make the same deal Benning did. I bet you'd find 90% of them would. I would say 70% would. The other 30% wouldn't because they aren't playing for next season, they are rebuilding a team for the future of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, CHYCHRUN said: I would say 70% would. The other 30% wouldn't because they aren't playing for next season, they are rebuilding a team for the future of the franchise. And a 24 year old defenseman wouldn't fit that plan? I bet you the Oilers would love to have a D-man like Gudbranson on their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, CHYCHRUN said: Many trades by GM Jim and very little draft picks. Wasn't the biggest complaint about Mike Gillis, that he traded away too many picks? How many has Jim traded away already? Another question; Wasn't Jim hired because of his scouting background? Last year it pained me to watch Jim sit at his draft table twiddling his thumbs knowing he could steal a great player here or there.... and now he's just traded away an extremely high second round pick. Since the Aquilini group have been the owners, this seems to be the norm. The win now and keep the cupboards empty philosophy is really starting to anger me. Jims strengths are drafting yet he won't have any meaningful picks to make. Heck, anybody on this forum can make the 1st pick. Sure he's traded for a bunch of mid 20 yr old players but in 3 years when most of our vets are adios and these players will be approaching 30, we will have a handful of young guys.... meaning more mediocrity. Just make the playoffs right? "You build your team through the draft", those are the words of Jim Benning. If that's the case, shouldn't you retain your draft picks? Gillis didnt get us players like Benning in the draft. Benning had 2 drafts and has already drafted 500x better than Gillis ever did. His first 4 picks are solid players! Virtanen McCann Demko Tryamkin Boeser Olsen Brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, CHYCHRUN said: Many trades by GM Jim and very little draft picks. Wasn't the biggest complaint about Mike Gillis, that he traded away too many picks? How many has Jim traded away already? Another question; Wasn't Jim hired because of his scouting background? Last year it pained me to watch Jim sit at his draft table twiddling his thumbs knowing he could steal a great player here or there.... and now he's just traded away an extremely high second round pick. Since the Aquilini group have been the owners, this seems to be the norm. The win now and keep the cupboards empty philosophy is really starting to anger me. Jims strengths are drafting yet he won't have any meaningful picks to make. Heck, anybody on this forum can make the 1st pick. Sure he's traded for a bunch of mid 20 yr old players but in 3 years when most of our vets are adios and these players will be approaching 30, we will have a handful of young guys.... meaning more mediocrity. Just make the playoffs right? "You build your team through the draft", those are the words of Jim Benning. If that's the case, shouldn't you retain your draft picks? I think we need to accept there is more than one way to skin a cat. In this case the re-build can take more than one form - only through the draft. I was clearly against giving up second round picks for Vey and Baer. For Gudbrandson it's different. He's a needed piece on a winning team; a core player, as JB likes to say. We need certain pieces to become an elite team again, and Gudbrandson checks another box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, CHYCHRUN said: I would say 70% would. The other 30% wouldn't because they aren't playing for next season, they are rebuilding a team for the future of the franchise. You don't even know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: It would be interesting to survey other GM around the league and see if they'd make the same deal Benning did. I bet you'd find 90% of them would. Are Bowman and Holland the other 10%? That's who I'd like to see Benning GM this team like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHYCHRUN Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 The mandate from ownership is, make the playoffs. There, I said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, CHYCHRUN said: Many trades by GM Jim and very little draft picks. Wasn't the biggest complaint about Mike Gillis, that he traded away too many picks? How many has Jim traded away already? Another question; Wasn't Jim hired because of his scouting background? Last year it pained me to watch Jim sit at his draft table twiddling his thumbs knowing he could steal a great player here or there.... and now he's just traded away an extremely high second round pick. Since the Aquilini group have been the owners, this seems to be the norm. The win now and keep the cupboards empty philosophy is really starting to anger me. Jims strengths are drafting yet he won't have any meaningful picks to make. Heck, anybody on this forum can make the 1st pick. Sure he's traded for a bunch of mid 20 yr old players but in 3 years when most of our vets are adios and these players will be approaching 30, we will have a handful of young guys.... meaning more mediocrity. Just make the playoffs right? "You build your team through the draft", those are the words of Jim Benning. If that's the case, shouldn't you retain your draft picks? Again. Gudbranson is 24 years old and has six years in the league already. To put it in perspective: Grandlund is 23 Baertschi is 23 Etem is 24 Vey is 24 Larssen s 26 Beattie is 23 Blomstrand is 23 Friesen is 25 Grenier is 24 Cannata is 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Not a bad time to deal the twins. We need to keep building wealth in prospects. Accept a coupla' cap-dumps & max-out on their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, DeNiro said: It would be interesting to survey other GM around the league and see if they'd make the same deal Benning did. I bet you'd find 90% of them would. I would also bet 90% didn't know Gudbranson was available. Reminds me of the blindsided Thornton to San Jose trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, cookieeater55 said: cdc will never get quality for quality trades. lol they in the gm mode trades on their consoles XD This joke loses it's bite when we have a GM that trades like kids do on a playstation (just keep piling on picks till the other GM accepts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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