Xbox Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 https://www.nhl.com/news/stamkos-wants-to-stay-with-lightning/c-280824232 Quote TAMPA -- Steven Stamkos said Friday he wants to stay with the Tampa Bay Lightning rather than sign elsewhere as a free agent. "I hope to be back here, we obviously have unfinished business," Stamkos said one day after the Lightning season ended with a 2-1 loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Final. "This group had been unbelievable. This city has been unbelievable. I can't believe it's been eight years already." Stamkos played in Game 7, his first since March 31 after he was sidelined by a blood clot near his right collarbone. The 26-year-old center can become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. He and the Lightning have been attempting to come to terms on a long-term contract since before this season began. He said he has not thought much about his status and will resume the process after a short rest. "I haven't thought about anything other than the playoffs," Stamkos said. "I'm going to rest for a week or two and then we'll start looking at things. It's not as easy as everyone thinks it is. There are certain cases where it works out right away and cases where it takes longer." General manager Steve Yzerman said Friday the Lightning want to sign Stamkos and said the last conversation he had with his agents was before the NHL Trade Deadline, which was Feb. 29. "My preference is for him to come back," Yzerman said. "That's [Stamkos'] decision. It is out of my control. He is an unrestricted free agent on July 1 and I can't force him to sign a contract with us if he doesn't want to." Earlier this season, Elliotte Friedman of "Hockey Night in Canada" reported that the Lightning offered Stamkos an eight-year contract with an average annual value of $8.5 million ($69 million total). Chicago Blackhawks forwards Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews each signed an eight-year, $84 million extension in July 2014, when each had one season left on his contract. Los Angeles Kings center Anze Kopitar signed an eight-year contract reportedly worth $80 million during this season. Stamkos said there's been no pressure from the NHL Players' Association suggesting he look for a more lucrative deal. "Where does that come from?" Stamkos said. "I've seen it out that and there is zero talk between the Players' Association about that." Stamkos said so far the sides have kept their word about keeping contract discussions out of the media. "We've all kept all that stuff internal and I expect things to stay that way until a decision is made," Stamkos said. "My preference is to stay here, and if both sides want to make that happen, it'll happen." The No. 1 pick of the 2008 NHL Draft by Tampa Bay, Stamkos has 562 points (312 goals, 250 assists) in 569 regular-season games. He won the Rocket Richard Trophy in 2010 and 2012, has four 40-goal seasons, and scored at least 20 in his first eight seasons in the NHL. He had 64 points (36 goals, 28 assists) in 77 games this season. In 2011-12, he became the 20th player in NHL history to score 60 goals in a season. He has been Lightning captain since March 6, 2014. "When the organization drafted Steven Stamkos, it put the franchise back on the map," Lightning coach Jon Cooper said. "He's a superstar player in the League who has scored 300 goals. Do I want him back? Yes, but that's not a question for me, that's a question for [Stamkos]." The Lightning have other contract issues to consider. Forward Nikita Kucherov will become a restricted free agent on July 1, and defenseman Victor Hedman and goalie Ben Bishop each has next season remaining on his contract. "The future of this organization for the next seven or eight years will be determined by what happens in the next two summers," Yzerman said. "We have to be careful. Every contract we offer will affect other contracts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Well really what else is he going to say? He's not the kind of player that's just going to say he wants out and he's done with them. Really though, Tampa can't afford a max contract. Kucherov is an elite goal scorer himself and they've already got a bunch of new big contracts coming up next season. Come to Vancouver Stammer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 It's not the first time he stated that he wants to stay in Tampa, it's on Yzerman to show him the money. A lot of money that he might not want to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Well really what else is he going to say? He's not the kind of player that's just going to say he wants out and he's done with them. Really though, Tampa can't afford a max contract. Kucherov is an elite goal scorer himself and they've already got a bunch of new big contracts coming up next season. Come to Vancouver Stammer!!! He could of checked out and not said anything. Combine this article with him playing in Game 7. He wants to stay 4 minutes ago, Green Building said: It's not the first time he stated that he wants to stay in Tampa, it's on Yzerman to show him the money. A lot of money that he might not want to pay. Tampa Bay has one advantage over 28 other teams with $$$. Florida has the lowest tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Y offered Stammer a fair deal. He should take it if it's still on the table. I'm sure the blood clot issues certainly made Stamkos think what if... 8.5 mill in Florida is like 10 mill in other cities because of FLD's tax laws. 10 mill for Stamkos is fair. THis was all discussed to death earlier in the season on CDC...... Kucherov is a more complete player than Stammer and he's only 22 going into RFA. He's had two great playoffs. Stammer has had on so so playoff. You can't pay stammer 10+ and still keep that team together. Hedman is the leader and best player on Tampa. He'll be UFA next summer. IF you pay Stamkos 10+ what do you pay Hedman? Paying Stamkos 10+ would handcuff Tampa going forward. They have a lot of young stars who need extensions starting with Kucherov this summer. I don't see Y going much higher than what he's offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Love Stamkos. I think it is definitely a pipe dream that anyone on here thinks he would sign in Vancouver. Tampa or Toronto. End thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Xbox said: Tampa Bay has one advantage over 28 other teams with $$$. Florida has the lowest tax. Who is the one team without money? Arizona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Xbox said: He could of checked out and not said anything. Combine this article with him playing in Game 7. He wants to stay Tampa Bay has one advantage over 28 other teams with $$$. Florida has the lowest tax. None of those things ultimately matter when it comes down to the fact that Tampa can't afford a max contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 If he really wanted to stay in Tampa he would have signed already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Go to Forbes online. You'll see that a few teams lost money in 2015, and some like Detroit made minimal profit. What I found was startling was that Edmonton in the old building made pretty good money for a small market club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: None of those things ultimately matter when it comes down to the fact that Tampa can't afford a max contract Teams always make room for guys like Stamkos, Chicago did it with Kane and Toews LA did it with Kopitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Xbox said: He could of checked out and not said anything. Combine this article with him playing in Game 7. He wants to stay Tampa Bay has one advantage over 28 other teams with $$$. Florida has the lowest tax. Oh I bet he was begging the team to let him play. You think playing a game doesn't help him on his next contract? How does a GM offer 10+ mill for 7 years to a player who had serious health issues and hasn't played a game since those issues. It's a hard sell to the owners, the insurance company and the fan base. How would CDC react if JB signed a player with career/life threatening health issues to 10+ mill. Some will be happy but many will call it further proof that JB is a potato head. Insurance companies would charge a lot more to cover his contract had he not played a single game yet (they still will but that game 7 helps) Playing that game 7 only helped Stamkos. There was very little benefit to the team as he hadn't played for a long time and little chance of being a difference maker in the game. On Florida's lower taxes, Tampa mgmt and player agents are well aware of those tax differences. Hence the 8.5 mill offer which = 10 mill in most other markets. Every little detail is considered when a player signs to a UFA deal and the taxes are an important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Of course Stamkos wants to stay in Tampa. He has said it before that he wants to be in Tampa. But he's also going to want a lot of money, the PA may not be pushing him to seek Toews/Kane/Kopitar money. I think we should all know that he's going to be seeking that sort of money anyways. 9.5-10.5 is more than likely the range he's seeking. It's sure going to put Tampa Ina tough spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, Losing With Pride said: Love Stamkos. I think it is definitely a pipe dream that anyone on here thinks he would sign in Vancouver. Tampa or Toronto. End thread Um no, it's a legit discussion lmao. Its not like this place is flowing with topics. 12 minutes ago, Green Building said: Who is the one team without money? Arizona? I think so, I also know New Jersey is poor IIRC 12 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: None of those things ultimately matter when it comes down to the fact that Tampa can't afford a max contract Tampa Bay certainly can afford max contract, it's whether theyre willing to or not. They had a hell of a team with him injured and Yzerman may want to go that route. 2 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Oh I bet he was begging the team to let him play. You think playing a game doesn't help him on his next contract? How does a GM offer 10+ mill for 7 years to a player who had serious health issues and hasn't played a game since those issues. It's a hard sell to the owners, the insurance company and the fan base. How would CDC react if JB signed a player with career/life threatening health issues to 10+ mill. Some will be happy but many will call it further proof that JB is a potato head. Insurance companies would charge a lot more to cover his contract had he not played a single game yet (they still will but that game 7 helps) Playing that game 7 only helped Stamkos. There was very little benefit to the team as he hadn't played for a long time and little chance of being a difference maker in the game. On Florida's lower taxes, Tampa mgmt is well aware of those tax differences. Hence the 8.5 mill offer which = 10 mill in most other markets. That is a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 8.5 mill in Tampa = 4.6 mill take home after taxes and agent fees. 10 mill in Toronto = 4.3 mill take home after taxes and agent fees. Quote Some called it a lowball offer. But even if the Leafs up the ante and offer the Markham, Ont., native an annual salary of $10 million, he would still be leaving money on the table. That is because only Tampa Bay can offer Stamkos a term of eight years to re-sign (he would be maxed at seven years to sign elsewhere). And while Florida has no state income tax, Ontario residents who earn more than $220,000 are subject to a 53.53% federal/provincial tax. Both could be significant factors in deciding where he plays next season. According to sports tax guru Robert Raiola, even if Stamkos is paid $10 million per year he would actually take home less annually by playing in Toronto ($4.3 million after taxes and agent fees) than he would in Tampa Bay for only $8.5 million ($4.6 million). http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/12/taxing-issue-for-nhl-players-when-it-comes-to-contract-offers Of Course he would also make 3 or 4 mill per year in endorsement money in Toronto, that's a lot more than he makes in Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Here's an article on taxes for NHL players: http://www.tsn.ca/talent/westhead-why-montreal-is-the-worst-nhl-city-when-it-s-tax-time-1.106798 Here's a tax caculator. I'm not sure of it's accuracy as it doesn't take into account the player's home country. http://gavingroup.ca/personal-income-tax-rates-in-nhl-cities/ But according to this calculator, the difference of a 10 mill contract in Tampa and Vancouver is $826,858 less in Tampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Can you imagine Nuck fans if JB let a guy like Stamkos walk away with not return? I have to believe that Tampa Bay are confidant they can sign him. Problem is, as many have stated; are the various high salaries required for upcoming RFAs. They are definately heading into cap hell for the next couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Y offered Stammer a fair deal. He should take it if it's still on the table. I'm sure the blood clot issues certainly made Stamkos think what if... 8.5 mill in Florida is like 10 mill in other cities because of FLD's tax laws. 10 mill for Stamkos is fair. THis was all discussed to death earlier in the season on CDC...... Kucherov is a more complete player than Stammer and he's only 22 going into RFA. He's had two great playoffs. Stammer has had on so so playoff. You can't pay stammer 10+ and still keep that team together. Hedman is the leader and best player on Tampa. He'll be UFA next summer. IF you pay Stamkos 10+ what do you pay Hedman? Paying Stamkos 10+ would handcuff Tampa going forward. They have a lot of young stars who need extensions starting with Kucherov this summer. I don't see Y going much higher than what he's offered. Thats true. its an unfortunate yet enviable problem to have. For us on the other hand it works because we have cap relief from burrows andd miller next summer and then sedins the following year. We need a replacement 1C for henrik. By july 1 we will know if we get Dubois or not at the draft. We wouldnt hablve to rush him to be a 2C like Horvat was. With our current roster the addition of Stamkos puts us in the playoff picture if not a darkhorse. Depending on how mich further along Hutton is offensively with Gudbranson and how Edler rebounds offensively with Tanev we have a pretty good D corps all of a sudden. Good goaltending. To suddenly have centre ice of Stamkos, sedin, sutter, horvat we are in great a great position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 They still have to re-sign Kucherov, Killorn, Namestnikov this offseason and next year they have to worry about giving Drouin a fat raise from his ELC, Palat, Johnson, Hedman, Bishop, and Vasilevsky. Looking like a lot of work to be done in the next 365 days for Yzerman and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Drouin just proved he is ready to take over, same with Kucherov. Stevie Y knows whats best, and stammer hasnt exactly torn it up in the playoffs. Doubtful Tampa re-signs him, the team is stacked with talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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