Kootenay Gold Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Dumping Baer’s Contract will take us adding sweetener. He’s a negative value contract player. I think you are wrong about that Alf. He will only have one year left on his contract this summer. I think with some retention of his salary and maybe even no retention at all; he can be moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I think you are wrong about that Alf. He will only have one year left on his contract this summer. I think with some retention of his salary and maybe even no retention at all; he can be moved. I sure hope you’re right, but I’m hesitant to believe that’s going to happen. Baer isn’t exactly the type of player teams want to insulate young guys, so he’d have to go to a developed team. Developed teams don’t play guys like Baer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Not so much as to insulate but to provide secondary scoring. Of course Baer's trade ability depends on him staying healthy and concussion free for the duration of the season Time will tell but one way or another he is probably moved in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wonder if at 1.8 mil (50% salary retained by the Canucks) if he can be moved at the draft? he sure seems like he should have something left for some team out there. I like this. Seems the fast and easy way of helping Baer get back to a NHL team. One that has trouble scoring. Good value for 1.8 even either health concerns. He'd be worth it. Edited February 28, 2020 by Hairy Kneel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said: I like this. Seems the fast and easy way of helping Baker get back to a NHL team. One that has trouble scoring. Good value for 1.8 even either health concerns. He'd be worth it. Could work, too bad Louie isn’t worth a similar deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/21/2020 at 5:24 PM, kenhodgejr said: 36 points in 36 games so far in Utica.... I always thought he had decent skill in the NHL. Why not try him with Bo and Pearson for a bit. It could add some new energy to the team. I like Baer but PPG in the AHL doesn’t mean much when your 27. I hope he finds a home back in the NHL but he is done as a Canuck. Honestly think injuries set him back, I think he could have had a higher ceiling if it weren’t for that. Maybe he has a chance to make it on a rebuilding team next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Devron44 said: I like Baer but PPG in the AHL doesn’t mean much when your 27. I hope he finds a home back in the NHL but he is done as a Canuck. Honestly think injuries set him back, I think he could have had a higher ceiling if it weren’t for that. Maybe he has a chance to make it on a rebuilding team next year Lets not forget for a while he was on our top line with Bo and Boeser. In my opinion he still has what it takes to be shifty and score goals. Might be worth a look. His best year in the NHL he scored 18 goals in 68 games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, kenhodgejr said: Lets not forget for a while he was on our top line with Bo and Boeser. In my opinion he still has what it takes to be shifty and score goals. Might be worth a look. His best year in the NHL he scored 18 goals in 68 games I don’t completely disagree but when he was up the way Green deployed him you could tell. He’s not a Green player. I just don’t see a fit. At the end of the day it’s not team goal scoring but defence that needs to be better going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Devron44 said: I don’t completely disagree but when he was up the way Green deployed him you could tell. He’s not a Green player. I just don’t see a fit. At the end of the day it’s not team goal scoring but defence that needs to be better going forward It's definitely Green's desired team structure that pushed Baertschi out. In training camp, there were two groups. The top 6 of each group consisted of NHLers and the bottom 6 consisted of minor league players who were long shots to make the team. Baertschi was on a line with Focht as his center. I had assumed that it was because Baertschi had missed time with injury and they wanted to start him off slow, but after he got cut it was clear that Green had his mind made up before camp that Baertschi wouldn't be on the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Devron44 said: I don’t completely disagree but when he was up the way Green deployed him you could tell. He’s not a Green player. I just don’t see a fit. At the end of the day it’s not team goal scoring but defence that needs to be better going forward But Sven has always followed Green's instructions. Focused on being a 200ft player when being coached in Utica. He was constantly being deployed to "jumpstart" a line when he was in previous years. He probably do deserve a call-up plus a longer leash.... but it's like he's the "runner-up" in all facets. Is he a good offensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? He should be ahead of Leivo, Sutter, Eriksson, Gaudette, etc. Leivo (if he wasn't injured) a bit bigger and "truculent". Sutter is a centre, so he stays. Eriksson won't be buried in the AHL. Gaudette is a prospect needing NHL experience. Thus Sven is out. Is he a good defensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? Better than Virtanen, Motte, Roussel, etc. Virtanen stays because he's GMJB and Green's pet project, plus he has speed/size. Motte is just a 4th liner and cheap. Roussel is another energy guy who can play after the whistle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lancaster said: But Sven has always followed Green's instructions. Focused on being a 200ft player when being coached in Utica. He was constantly being deployed to "jumpstart" a line when he was in previous years. He probably do deserve a call-up plus a longer leash.... but it's like he's the "runner-up" in all facets. Is he a good offensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? He should be ahead of Leivo, Sutter, Eriksson, Gaudette, etc. Leivo (if he wasn't injured) a bit bigger and "truculent". Sutter is a centre, so he stays. Eriksson won't be buried in the AHL. Gaudette is a prospect needing NHL experience. Thus Sven is out. Is he a good defensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? Better than Virtanen, Motte, Roussel, etc. Virtanen stays because he's GMJB and Green's pet project, plus he has speed/size. Motte is just a 4th liner and cheap. Roussel is another energy guy who can play after the whistle. What do you mean by “pet project” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lancaster said: But Sven has always followed Green's instructions. Focused on being a 200ft player when being coached in Utica. He was constantly being deployed to "jumpstart" a line when he was in previous years. He probably do deserve a call-up plus a longer leash.... but it's like he's the "runner-up" in all facets. Is he a good offensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? He should be ahead of Leivo, Sutter, Eriksson, Gaudette, etc. Leivo (if he wasn't injured) a bit bigger and "truculent". Sutter is a centre, so he stays. Eriksson won't be buried in the AHL. Gaudette is a prospect needing NHL experience. Thus Sven is out. Is he a good defensive player? Yes... but who is he pushing out? Better than Virtanen, Motte, Roussel, etc. Virtanen stays because he's GMJB and Green's pet project, plus he has speed/size. Motte is just a 4th liner and cheap. Roussel is another energy guy who can play after the whistle. Green said publicly that Baer is “soft” skill. What Green should have done is said that to Baer in his office. Then demanded Baer play hard on and off pucks. Green is the issue, and not Baer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Devron44 said: What do you mean by “pet project” One of JB's prized pick, Green specifically focuses on him, and how he gets a relatively longer leash to get out of his inconsistencies compared to some other players in the lineup. If JV was a Gillis pick or not a high first rounder, his position in the organization would be vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Green said publicly that Baer is “soft” skill. What Green should have done is said that to Baer in his office. Then demanded Baer play hard on and off pucks. Green is the issue, and not Baer. you are so anti green that it is ridiculous when ever is it the player's fault in your view? i doubt ever, if there is even a chance green can be first blamed baer was called up could not cut it this season then he pouted got his agent involved demanded to be moved thereby pulling the rug from under jb's ability to move him was given the ability to arrange a move through his agent and we have heard a big nada since they sabotaged efforts to move him, so that now, not even his agent can help so baer has reduced his own asset value harming the team and likely prevented him ever being again recalled he is a nothing burger to this team now they'll still try to move him if they can but that is all on green? what part is on baer? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: you are so anti green that it is ridiculous when ever is it the player's fault in your view? i doubt ever, if there is even a chance green can be first blamed baer was called up could not cut it this season then he pouted got his agent involved demanded to be moved thereby pulling the rug from under jb's ability to move him was given the ability to arrange a move through his agent and we have heard a big nada since they sabotaged efforts to move him, so that now, not even his agent can help so baer has reduced his own asset value harming the team and likely prevented him ever being again recalled he is a nothing burger to this team now they'll still try to move him if they can but that is all on green? what part is on baer? I’m pro Canuck’s winning a cup. Green needs to go for that to happen. He is too nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, Alflives said: Green said publicly that Baer is “soft” skill. What Green should have done is said that to Baer in his office. Then demanded Baer play hard on and off pucks. Green is the issue, and not Baer. I dunno. I don't think it's either Green or Bartschi. I think it has a lot to do with Baer's injuries. Was starting to pile up over the years, and he was still considered "young" Green I think is a good coach. He has a rookie dman in his lineup, a second year player in Pettersson, and young players are not necessarily stable players (in their offense, or in their play in general). Green's done a real good work with Virtanen. He's on pace for 45-50 points this season. Could only give him more confidence entering the off-season to keep working on his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Alflives said: I’m pro Canuck’s winning a cup. Green needs to go for that to happen. He is too nice. what do you have against Green @Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Green said publicly that Baer is “soft” skill. What Green should have done is said that to Baer in his office. Then demanded Baer play hard on and off pucks. Green is the issue, and not Baer. Alf, brutal man. Green has been nothing but great since he got here, so many players are better because of Green. Team has overachieved a bit imo. Greens third in voting for coach of the year. I don’t understand the pure hatred towards Green. At all it’s made no sense a year ago and make no sense now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lancaster said: One of JB's prized pick, Green specifically focuses on him, and how he gets a relatively longer leash to get out of his inconsistencies compared to some other players in the lineup. If JV was a Gillis pick or not a high first rounder, his position in the organization would be vastly different. There a couple factors there if by longer leash you mean getting sent down, he’d be claimed of waivers instantly. And JV has had although Raw twice the potential Baer did always I don’t think what you are saying has anything to do with who picked him. Maybe it’s because they actually see value in developing him and see him as as a key piece going forward Our captain is a Gillis pick Edited February 28, 2020 by Devron44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I’m pro Canuck’s winning a cup. Green needs to go for that to happen. He is too nice. Hasn’t looked “too nice” to me lately. 12 Canucks with fighting majors this year. Did you see that timeout in Montreal. He picks his spots like a good coach does. Remember when we had Torts. Edlers worst year as a Canucks. Can’t be all poke poke, prod prod to the players all the time and they are all different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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