stawns Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 So hope you're right. Calgary is one of my most disliked teams lol. Would be pure comedy reading flame fans comments if SB lights it up. Specifically against them. At first glance the trade seems bad. Second glance a little more reasonable. Third glance you have to wonder why Calgary would take such a risk making this kind of deal with Vancouver of all places. Big mistake to take a risk like this. In the end it's a win/win situation for us. he still has to transfer his game to the NHL and nothing is guaranteed around that. However, I feel like the odds are pretty good that he is going to be, at least, a serviceable top 6 player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) oops... Burke is just the adviser and president as far as I know. Treliving is the actual GM. Not an oops. Edited March 11, 2015 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Burke is just the adviser as far as I know. Treliving is the actual GM. Not an oops. Burke's the one who dragged Baertschi through the mud though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Burke's the one who dragged Baertschi through the mud though. Yet it was Treliving who traded him for a 2nd, not Burke. EDIT: People just like bashing Burke on this forum because of his history. lol I don't doubt Burke called him out at one point, but he's not the actual GM. Edited March 11, 2015 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Yet it was Treliving who traded him for a 2nd, not Burke. EDIT: People just like bashing Burke on this forum because of his history. lol I don't doubt Burke called him out at one point, but he's not the actual GM. I'm slamming Burke because he did something freakin' stupid while in the capacity as an NHL executive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm slamming Burke because he did something freakin' stupid while in the capacity as an NHL executive Fair enough, I'll assume it wasn't directed at my original post then. Slam away. Could I interest you in one of Kessel's hockey sticks for the bashing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Burke did give us the Sedins... and Morrison for Mogilny. While there have been mistakes (Sanderson, Rucinsky, Norenon) he did us quite a bit of good overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Burke did give us the Sedins... and Morrison for Mogilny. While there have been mistakes (Sanderson, Rucinsky, Norenon) he did us quite a bit of good overall. As did almost every other GM we've had. It's a trend really. We get a new GM, get all excited then boot him out the door and bash him for not seeing a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) My post wasn't meant with a Burke bashing intent. It was meant to show the utter contrast in approach to two players that were not wildly different. His approach to evaluating both players is a head scratcher to me. It doesn't matter that Treliving was the GM that ultimately made the trade since it was a product of Burkie's approach in the years prior. Kessel is valued extreme highly by him as a 21 year old to the point of mortgaging the future of the franchise to a division rival. Kessel had never played any significant time in the AHL, never played two ways, and was not a physical presence. He was inserted directly into the NHL and produced well in his 3rd season but his overall game was still suspect. He also demanded a high salary at the time. Burke felt this didn't matter as much as he evaluated his offensive upside to be worthy of the gamble. Baertschi is yo-yoed back and forth to the AHL despite producing at a similar level to Kessel in his first two years. He is publicly shamed. There is no leeway given for injuries. He is given little time to adjust on a single roster without being shuffled again. I'd be wary of suggesting it is simply a Euro vs American issue but the approach is inexplicably incongruous to me. Edited March 11, 2015 by theminister 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Does anybody else absolutely hate Brian Burke? I know he did some good things for our organization but IMO he's the most pompous a*shole on the planet. All those things he said about Bobby Ryan and Keith Yandle when he cut them from Team USA last year... I find him very overrated as an NHL executive. He handcuffed Nonis with all his moves in Toronto and now Nonis is taking the flack (though Nonis did sign some of those contracts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Does anybody else absolutely hate Brian Burke? I know he did some good things for our organization but IMO he's the most pompous a*shole on the planet. All those things he said about Bobby Ryan and Keith Yandle when he cut them from Team USA last year... I find him very overrated as an NHL executive. He handcuffed Nonis with all his moves in Toronto and now Nonis is taking the flack (though Nonis did sign some of those contracts). Do I hate him as a person? No. Do I hate some of the comments and actions he does? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Does anybody else absolutely hate Brian Burke? I know he did some good things for our organization but IMO he's the most pompous a*shole on the planet. All those things he said about Bobby Ryan and Keith Yandle when he cut them from Team USA last year... I find him very overrated as an NHL executive. He handcuffed Nonis with all his moves in Toronto and now Nonis is taking the flack (though Nonis did sign some of those contracts). lets put it this way, I guarantee we won't be putting him in the RoH or having a BB sticker on our helmets when he passes away. Edited March 11, 2015 by avelanch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 lets put it this way, I guarantee we won't be putting him in the RoH or having a BB sticker on our helmets when he passes away. That I'm not so sure about. Not saying he deserves it, but all it takes is the right crowd to persuade it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) As did almost every other GM we've had. It's a trend really. We get a new GM, get all excited then boot him out the door and bash him for not seeing a cup. I look back on the Gillis' meritocratic years very fondly. 2 prez trophies and 1 SCF appearance. It's hard to complain about that. Now JB and WD seem to have a blend of nepotism in them (as in favouring players from Western Canada or ones with past experience with WD, not family relations. I'm using 'nepotism' with liberty here). My post wasn't meant with a Burke bashing intent. It was meant to show the utter contrast in approach to two players that were not wildly different. His approach to evaluating both players is a head scratcher to me. It doesn't matter that Treliving was the GM that ultimately made the trade since it was a product of Burkie's approach in the years prior. Kessel is valued extreme highly by him as a 21 year old to the point of mortgaging the future of the franchise to a division rival. Kessel had never played any significant time in the AHL, never played two ways, and was not a physical presence. He was inserted directly into the NHL and produced well in his 3rd season but his overall game was still suspect. He also demanded a high salary at the time. Burke felt this didn't matter as much as he evaluated his offensive upside to be worthy of the gamble. Baertschi is yo-yoed back and forth to the AHL despite producing at a similar level to Kessel in his first two years. He is publicly shamed. There is no leeway given for injuries. He is given little time to adjust on a single roster without being shuffled again. I'd be wary of suggesting it is simply a Euro vs American issue but the approach is inexplicably incongruous to me. Good point. Edited March 11, 2015 by Hugor Hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) nepotism? Edited March 11, 2015 by Amish Rake Fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 nepotism? LOL! yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I love when people call Sven , Shinkaruk , Cassels undersized . They are 5'11" ... Not 5'5" . You know who else is 5'11".... ? Giroux ... Crosby ... Mackinnon ... Hasn't stopped them at all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 but but but, they arn't 6'4" so they HAVE to be undersized... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Yet it was Treliving who traded him for a 2nd, not Burke. EDIT: People just like bashing Burke on this forum because of his history. lol I don't doubt Burke called him out at one point, but he's not the actual GM. It was managements lack of faith in his play that probably wanted him out. and who made that comment? It wasn't Treliving thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It was managements lack of faith in his play that probably wanted him out. and who made that comment? It wasn't Treliving thats for sure. So? lol It doesn't change who actually traded him away. Influenced by management or not, Treliving was the one who pulled the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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