Jägermeister Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) Don't get your hopes up, King probably thinks Gaunce is the next Jay McClement. Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind Gaunce turning into a Jay McClement type player? (Obviously not ideal though, and moreso Jay McClement while he was on STL than on COL) Edited January 1, 2013 by Jägermeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigsaw99 Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind Gaunce turning into a Jay McClement type player? (Obviously not ideal though, and moreso Jay McClement while he was on STL than on COL) I think i want a little more from a 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) I think i want a little more from a 1st round pick With a pick after 20th overall, I'm happy with landing a full-time NHLer (which is far from a guarantee for all teams, let alone the Canucks). It's surprising what % of players picked after 20th overall in the 1st round actually go on to have a decent NHL career. Using 250 games as a mark between the 2000-2004 drafts, and 100 games for the 2005 and 2006 draft (more recent drafts are too early to tell still for many prospects), only 59.7% of players picked from 20th-30th Overall have gone on to have a "successful" career. Edited January 1, 2013 by Jägermeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind Gaunce turning into a Jay McClement type player? (Obviously not ideal though, and moreso Jay McClement while he was on STL than on COL) I would think the absolute minimum would be Jay McClement at his best, not the player he has been recently. I still hope for and expect more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Gaunce with a goal today against the Petes, 14 left in the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) Gaunce with a goal today against the Petes, 14 left in the third. 4 goals and 4 assists in his last 5 games. Not too shabby. He's also on the front page of the OHL website for being player of the week. Edited January 1, 2013 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 4 goals and 4 assists in his last 5 games. Not too shabby. He's also on the front page of the OHL website for being player of the week. bro he didn't even get an invite to team Canada he's clearly terrible along with all our other prospects. ..just ask mr. reputable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 bro he didn't even get an invite to team Canada he's clearly terrible along with all our other prospects. ..just ask mr. reputable Wasnt't Gaunce injuried during that time that lose his chance at the world junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Wasnt't Gaunce injuried during that time that lose his chance at the world junior he was injured amd back in the linup before camp. but his injury was a black mark on his season. I have to believe if he didn't hurt his shoulder he would have at least earned an invite. I hope you know I was joking in my other post... I love that we drafted this kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) double post Edited January 2, 2013 by TruCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Wasnt't Gaunce injuried during that time that lose his chance at the world junior Yup, he missed two months and his slow start wasn't enough to get an invite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Horrible: 100% bust entire draft years. Of which Nonis has one or two and the Canucks have far too many. While overhyped, the current regime hasn't had horrible drafting. Btw. Being able to sign Lack and Tanev is a positive, not a negative aspect of this organization. Not that you meant it as negative, but this post was, so... The current regime has a horrible drafting record so far IMO but it is still VERY early to judge. Tanev and Lack are good prospects but were signings, not draft picks. Nonis was on the road to having a fantastic drafting record until 2007. I liked most of GIllis picks at the time - the problem is mostly development and bad luck. Price and McNally have NHL potential but it will be hard to gauge until they turn pro. Polasek, Connauton and Sauve have an awesome package of size, speed, skill and toughness but their development seems to be going sideways or downwards. Rodin was a gamble that could have paid off but the Wolves have veteran undersized scoring forwards with a solid AHL resume (Sterling, Gordon, Haydar and Ebbett) who take away top 6 playing time from Sweatt and Rodin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If we come into cap issues next season. There will be a need to ice our younger cheaper players. Malhotra, Raymond and maybe even Higgins could be gone from our bottom six. The benefit of drafting bigger gritty players is they can usually step in on the 4th line and be effective. Mallet, Gaunce, Archibald, Sweatt, Friesen and Rodin would be battling for 3rd/4th line duties. Schroeder and Jensen for top 9 roles. Kassian is an NHL ready physical forward with skill. Corrado, Tanev, Connauton, Sauve, Price, Andersson battling for Alberts/Joslin's impending departure. L.A showcased it last season. Dwight King and Jordan Nolan were two young physical forwards that came up from the farm and provided amazing energy and enthusiasm to what was a dull team. Voynov a 21 year old d-man and Alec Martinez both stepped in and were great on defense for the Kings. I see similar attributes in our prospects. Not so much flash and dash(leave that to our superstars) but players that just get the job done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guest Dasein Posted January 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2013 The bottom line is this, if the prospects don't even get a sniff from their respective countries for the WJC, there are better options than them, I agree that for a 1st round pick, we should hope that they are able to get an invite from their respective countries for the WJC when they are eligible. The Tyler Seguin rebuttal was weak because Seguin had already made the NHL before his eligibility ran out. Also, he got a "sniff" with an invite before even he was drafted, so that invite basically kills that argument. But I think there are three arguments that can be made for Gaunce having higher potential despite not being invited to the WJC camp. First and the obvious one is that he has one more year to play or get an invite. Corrado did not get an invite last season - which is equivalent to Gaunce's current season - but got an invite in his final year of eligibility. Gaunce's future with the WJC is still very much open - he has another shot, so you can't write him off based on the WJC not giving him a "sniff". Second is that you have to remember that competition for a WJC roster spot is a lot higher than other years due to the lockout. For one, RNH is already an NHLer so he would not have been on the team. In fact, all 3 centers on the top 9 (RNH, Strome, Jenner) and 2 wingers who play center (Huberdeau, Schiefele) could have been in the NHL had there been a season. That's 3 slots down the middle that could potentially be open and if there hadn't been a lockout, Gaunce may have gotten a "sniff". As for the draft-eligibles who had gotten a "sniff", they are considered lottery picks in a very deep draft year and are already dominating their respective leagues. Mackinnon, as we all know has been compared to Crosby. Drouin is showing why he deserves to be on the team. Monahan is also a lottery pick with a high ceiling. These are potential future superstars that Gaunce will not compete against - he's not good enough, and there's nothing wrong with that because we picked him up at 26. His spot would have been where Jenner is playing, or Mackinnon is filling now because of the depth on the team - the bottom 6. The fact that these exceptional players got a "sniff' while Gaunce didn't does not weaken Gaunce's value - because these guys are not Gaunce's competition. There's a reason why they're top 5 picks, and he is a low 1st rounder. The last argument is that WJC is not the best indicator of success in the NHL. Some go on to have a great career - others don't. Similarly, some who don't get calls from WJC go on to have great careers. So I fail to see why you put so much emphasis on getting "sniffs" from WJC selecting scouts. I mean, just go take a look at what was probably Canada's best WJC squad ever from 2005 when there was the last lockout - sure, there are future hall-of-famers, and guys wearing letters for their team - but there are also 8-9 of 22 guys who never made a name for themselves at the NHL level. That is an overwhelming number of busts in a year that was supposed to be stacked. Of those who failed to make a name for themselves? They were the guys who made enough of an impression to the WJC guys to be on the bottom 6 on that team - the role that Gaunce would play. Guys like Maxim Lapierre, Travis Zajac, Wojtek Wolski, Devon Dubnyk, Mike Green, Kris Versteeg, Dave Bolland, Tyler Kennedy and Torrey Mitchell were all available for the tournament, but didn't get a "sniff". Yet, these names are more familiar than those 8-9 guys who did not have memorable stints in the NHL. Of those above, Dave Bolland did go on to make the 2006 squad in his final year eligible and won gold. Gaunce still has that chance. So just because he didn't make it on a talent-loaded lockout year, doesn't mean he is a bad prospect. And on top of that, even if he doesn't make the WJC next season, he can still go on to have a better NHL career than those who did - because WJC isn't a reliable indicator for NHL success. That's why so many people have an issue with what you are saying. I hope that Gaunce would be recognized and get an invite from WJC next season, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't, and it certainly should not be the sole reason and basis for writing off a prospect - because it is a poor indicator of NHL success as history has shown. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-52 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 dasein missed one more major argument, the fact that he was injured.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows53 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If we come into cap issues next season. There will be a need to ice our younger cheaper players. Malhotra, Raymond and maybe even Higgins could be gone from our bottom six. The benefit of drafting bigger gritty players is they can usually step in on the 4th line and be effective. Mallet, Gaunce, Archibald, Sweatt, Friesen and Rodin would be battling for 3rd/4th line duties. Schroeder and Jensen for top 9 roles. Kassian is an NHL ready physical forward with skill. Corrado, Tanev, Connauton, Sauve, Price, Andersson battling for Alberts/Joslin's impending departure. L.A showcased it last season. Dwight King and Jordan Nolan were two young physical forwards that came up from the farm and provided amazing energy and enthusiasm to what was a dull team. Voynov a 21 year old d-man and Alec Martinez both stepped in and were great on defense for the Kings. I see similar attributes in our prospects. Not so much flash and dash(leave that to our superstars) but players that just get the job done. I agree, our prospect pool isn't loaded with future superstar offensive players. But they're all two way players who have the characteristics that work in the playoffs. 4th line possiblity could be. Gaunce-Mallet-Pinizotto. Big, tough, talented and responsible defensively, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I agree, our prospect pool isn't loaded with future superstar offensive players. But they're all two way players who have the characteristics that work in the playoffs. 4th line possiblity could be. Gaunce-Mallet-Pinizotto. Big, tough, talented and responsible defensively, you have gaunce on the 4th line??? he's much too talented to be on that line, or do you mean this season? he's not eligible to be recalled to camp i believe, I think only Corrado was on the list submitted to the chl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-52 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 you have gaunce on the 4th line??? he's much too talented to be on that line, or do you mean this season? he's not eligible to be recalled to camp i believe, I think only Corrado was on the list submitted to the chl. hes also got 3 centers on the 4th line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsasaki Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 who do you all suggestive we should have taken instead of Gaunce, the only player that comes to mind would be Samuellson from the WHL. I was hopping we picked him, but Gillis went more for character. Samuellson plays wing and center so we could have developed him as a centre Before the draft, I thought that Samuelsson would've been a great choice. Only problem is his suspensions. But hey, another reason for the bruins to hate us, why not eh? But with Gaunce available that late in the first round, he was clearly the better choice. I, along with many other people, were thinking he would go late teens, early twenties. I wasn't home during the Canucks draft choice, and I was giddy with excitement when I got home to see that we had Gaunce. I had barely any thought that he would still be available to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 So first he had 5 Points in 2 games and now he has 10 points in 4 games, he is quickly getting back to the PPG mark, hopefully he can reach it again, he had a tough start to the year, but now he is rebounding quite well. I think he has a great chance of being on the WJ team if he doesn't crack our line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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