duc_evo Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 What do you mean? Shinkaruk is definitely not ready for the NHL and is going to need a year in Utica. Shinkaruk doesn't have a spot on the Canucks. Out of the forwards, Jensen is the closest to making the Canucks. I think it's Shinkaruk's job to lose if his hips are 100% and his conditioning is 100%. I think that Shinkaruk's ability far exceed Jensen's. But if Shinkaruk's not a 100%, it's not biggie. I would be cool if the Canucks had a junior team, so that the younger players can play with every other in like a mini tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Sock Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I think it's Shinkaruk's job to lose if his hips are 100% and his conditioning is 100%. I think that Shinkaruk's ability far exceed Jensen's. But if Shinkaruk's not a 100%, it's not biggie. I would be cool if the Canucks had a junior team, so that the younger players can play with every other in like a mini tournament. Jensen had time with the Canucks last year and looked pretty good while he was here. If anything, it's his spot to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) I think it's Shinkaruk's job to lose if his hips are 100% and his conditioning is 100%. I think that Shinkaruk's ability far exceed Jensen's. But if Shinkaruk's not a 100%, it's not biggie. I would be cool if the Canucks had a junior team, so that the younger players can play with every other in like a mini tournament. What do you mean by his conditioning being 100%? If Shinkaruk comes back in the same shape he was in for last year's camp, he will not make the team. Shinkaruk's conditioning last year was nowhere close to where it needs to be to play a 82-game NHL season - the kid had the skills to compete, but you could see he clearly was not the same player in the 3rd period as he was in the 1st. Given that he hasn't been able to work on his cardio since his surgery, I would wager that it would be at the level he was last year's camp, at best. He is going to need a year in the AHL. And Jensen didn't look out of place last year after spending almost a season in the AHL, so Jensen right now is the closest to making the team out of all our prospects. But I do think Shinkaruk has the best hands like you do. Edited July 19, 2014 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Bo Horvat. Just thought I'd navigate us back to the purpose of this thread. It's nice to know that our management team thinks it's the right time for BO to make the jump, as per the NHL.com article. At the end of the day it will be up to him to out play guys for spots. If you ask me that's the best scenario to out him in. Elevate your game to the NHL, or realize your not quite there and go push yourself everyday in junior to be the best you can. It's a win win, because if he makes the NHL obviously he is outplaying current NHLers, if not then challenge accepted. If he does make the NHL this year I expect him to put up around 30 points as a comparable to Ryan O'Reilly's 19-20 year old season. If he ends up with more than 30 points I would say he has over achieved in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) I don't think Smyl is said that Bo's time is now in the sense that it's the right time for Bo to make the jump, AKA that he's ready for the NHL. Rather, he's saying that Bo has a better chance this year than next year. I'll explain why using the bolded. "He plays so much in London, he's out there every second or third shift and all situations, so players pace themselves," Canucks director of player development Stan Smyl said. "But when you get to the NHL it's different. Bo sees all those things, and the biggest thing we see is his pace has to pick up to keep up. He has to be quicker on the ice and quicker with his decisions, but that will come in camp." [...]So does Horvat, and as Smyl pointed out each player has another two months before training camp to keep thinning out and improving their speed. Horvat will have less time to prove it has paid off once camp starts in September, but Smyl said he believes his time is now. "Whenever you get those minutes you are always concerned with the pace of junior hockey and does it help him make our team in a year; I don't think so," Smyl said. "I think the best opportunity is now." 1) Smyl says that Bo is missing a key component in his game in the first bolded quotation: He is missing speed and the ability to keep up with the pace of pro hockey. 2) Smyl raises questions of the pace of junior hockey and says that Bo can't learn that pace in junior in the second last bolded quotation. He states further that since it can't be learned in junior, even if Bo's sent down this year, he's not going to get much closer to making the Canucks next year unless he sees some pro hockey action to learn that pace. 3) Add to this the uncertainty of the Canucks camp this year - we have so many top 9 spots up for grabs for the first time. Whoever grabs one of those spots will have a huge edge over the others since they get a year of NHL experience under their belt and will therefore have a huge advantage going forward in next year's camp - when Bo turns 20. That's why Smyl is saying that "the best opportunity is now" for Bo - not because Bo's ready to make the jump - but because the competition is weaker this year than next year. If Bo isn't ready and gets sent down, it's going to be much tougher for him to crack the lineup next year when Bonino and Vey have a year of NHL experience under their belt and have further established themselves on the team. In addition, even Gaunce and Shinkaruk may be ahead of Bo's development since they'll have picked up the pro pace at the AHL level. Meanwhile, Bo would still not have the one thing he needs to learn to play in the NHL - the speed and pace of the pro game - which Smyl (rightly so) believes Bo can't pick up in junior. So it's not about the Canucks brass thinking Bo's ready this year - it's about the fact that they realize the team will be much harder for Bo to make NEXT year than this year if he isn't ready and gets sent down. That's why Smyl is hoping that Bo can work hard and make the team this year - not because he thinks Bo's ready, but because this is actually his best shot in the next couple years. At the same time, Benning says that he wants Bo brought up the right way - meaning if he's not ready, they won't hesitate to send him down. Although Bo plays a complete game and perhaps has everything but speed and thinking the game at the pro level, he can always develop his offensive game further in junior. So no one is giving him a roster spot. No one's saying Bo's already good enough for the NHL. All they're saying is that this is his best chance in the next two years, and that they hope he is ready. It's all up to Bo. If he is ready by camp and can make the jump, it's best for everyone. Edited July 19, 2014 by Dasein 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 To add further McCann is aiming for a NHL spot next year and Matthias will have the most experience than most of our centers not named Sedin. Cassels, Gaunce also will be pushing. We have a lot of Centers and every year will be more difficult as some may steal jobs away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeddingCrashers Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Just because a player is listed as a center doesn't mean he can't play any other position. Often you'll see teams roll with two centers on a line or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) This year I don't see Gaunce or Horvat making the team, but for the 2015-2016 season we have both Richardson and Matthias becoming UFAs, so there will be spots. I prefer seeing guys do a full year in the AHL with a couple of call-up stints. I would hate to see Bo get rushed into the NHL and have his confidence shot. Edited July 20, 2014 by canucklehead44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I can see Richardson going, but unless he craps out Matthias seems to be a Benning kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I can see Richardson going, but unless he craps out Matthias seems to be a Benning kinda guy.Would not write off Richardson to quickly. There were stretches last year where he was the best C the team had. He doesn't fit the new development time line but is a great role model. He could be a very valuable trade chip come March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Would not write off Richardson to quickly. There were stretches last year where he was the best C the team had. He doesn't fit the new development time line but is a great role model. He could be a very valuable trade chip come March. Agreed. Richardson is a very good 4th line C that can jump up to the 3rd when needed and at a low cap hit. I think he gets re-signed next year. Matthias usually plays the wing and Bensen likes him a lot. Vey will also end up on W when the prospect's come up. Gaunce and/or Cassels will probably end up on W if there too many Cs; while Horvat and McCann will end up as top 6 Cs. Imo, Horvat and Gaunce are a year away, Cassels and McCann are 2-4 years away from making the NHL. I think the Canucks are still missing a #1C to replace Hank in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I like the idea of overloading our forward group with centers. I dint understand why others refuse or dislike our centers playing on the wing. Take a look at successful west teams LA kings -7 centers Chicago Blackhawks- 6 centers. 7 if you include sharp St Louis blues- 7 centers Colorado avalanche- 10 centers Canucks-3 centers... (This is all according to nhl.com) Edited July 21, 2014 by Gooseberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Would not write off Richardson to quickly. There were stretches last year where he was the best C the team had. He doesn't fit the new development time line but is a great role model. He could be a very valuable trade chip come March. You got that right. I like what Richardson brings he's alway in your face maybe not dropping the gloves but he's always initiating a shove here or there aggresive in fact I don't think many want much to do with him. Most of the Vcr roster react rather than iniatiate. I'd have the guy on my team any day. Solid defensively what's not to like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I like the idea of overloading our forward group with centers. I dint understand why others refuse or dislike our centers playing on the wing. Take a look at successful west teams LA kings -7 centers Chicago Blackhawks- 6 centers. 7 if you include sharp St Louis blues- 7 centers Colorado avalanche- 10 centers Canucks-3 centers... (This is all according to nhl.com)But we know we have more centers than that though. last season: Hank Kes Santo Richardson Matthias Schroeder Dalpe This coming season so far: Hank Bonino Matthias Richardson Vey a tweener in Dustin Jeffrey plus hopefuls Horvat and Gaunce Edited July 21, 2014 by wshdrvvn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He wouldn't have gotten a sniff with Torts coaching, and like the person above me said, he'd be gone to the KHL by now. Nichushkin played most of last year on a top line in the NHL, also made his country's Olympic squad. For a coach, Ruff, that expects defensive intensity and accountability. Both that top line which was one of the hottest in the NHL, and the team, made strides. Its fairly safe to suggest you are under rating whether that player had any contribution? The formula is simple; Horvat has to put it on the line and play at a faster, more intense pace. If he can pull it off, his instincts let him be effective at that pace he stays. If he makes mistakes and looks out of place, unfortunately its back to junior. Do you know the magic of the draft? Every year some guy, I remember a Cpl years ago it was Adam Henrique, mystifies projections by jumping right up to that level. Sometimes its hard to know who has that next level of compete still to be brought out? The Canucks, of course, picked Horvat because in the play off's his draft year he had another gear and level of intensity that other draftee's had not demonstrated. They believed that would translate at the next level, or they would have picked one of the pure "talent" guys. So there is definitely a chance he makes it! But its up to him... I'm going to caution and try and motivate here at the same time. (Lets pretend he can here this, but it appears to be Smyl's message anyway.) Come out with a firecracker up your ass and put it on the line. Like Burrows did when he made it! Unafraid to make mistakes, unapologetic and hustling regardless. Its the opposite of, say, Schroeder? Sat back, made the safe pass, played in the safe defensive position instead attacking guys defensively, fore checking, hitting and digging out pucks. Then teammates feed off the mistakes your pressure has generated. That's how you make the NHL! Talent just determines how much you score after you have made it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You got that right. I like what Richardson brings he's alway in your face maybe not dropping the gloves but he's always initiating a shove here or there aggresive in fact I don't think many want much to do with him. Most of the Vcr roster react rather than iniatiate. I'd have the guy on my team any day. Solid defensively what's not to like Brad, Hansen and Dorsett would be a terrific 4th line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Can't shake the feeling that it won't matter what kind of camp Horvat has that Benning has him slated to go back to junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Can't shake the feeling that it won't matter what kind of camp Horvat has that Benning has him slated to go back to juniorsame. Gotta do what's best for development though. I wish every team could use 1 exception to the ahl/chl rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 same. Gotta do what's best for development though. I wish every team could use 1 exception to the ahl/chl rule. There was a thread not too long ago that covered the rules around players for chl/ahl/nhl. In the document it mentioned that a player under the age of 20 can sign an amatuer tryout with the ahl. Meaning that you can play in the ahl under 20, maybe this wouldn't work for Horvat though as he is under contract with the Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 There was a thread not too long ago that covered the rules around players for chl/ahl/nhl. In the document it mentioned that a player under the age of 20 can sign an amatuer tryout with the ahl. Meaning that you can play in the ahl under 20, maybe this wouldn't work for Horvat though as he is under contract with the Canucks They still have to pass the criteria in the CHL/NHL agreement though. We couldn't not sign Virtanen for instance, then sign him to a tryout contract and have him play in the AHL. His CHL team still holds his rights outside of the NHL while he's still CHL eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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