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8 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Man fans in this city love to be dramatic. These fans sound like a bunch of babies that didn't get their way.

 

Bo scored the game winning goal in response almost immediately after. That's also what captains do...

So very much this. 

 

Don't get me wrong Matheson's WWE maneuver has no place in hockey and I hope he's punished accordingly by the league and targeted for extra hard hits etc the next time we play them but holy drama queens around here. 

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18 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Man fans in this city love to be dramatic. These fans sound like a bunch of babies that didn't get their way.

 

Bo scored the game winning goal in response almost immediately after. That's also what captains do...

You may be right some fans went overboard, but it isn’t without reason. 

JB’s own statements prior to the start of the season created that environment. 

Furthermore a lot of fans felt sick to the stomach seeing our future hammered head first in to the ice. As one poster said, it felt as if it had been his own child....

Did the team handle it right? Time will tell, but after seeing the battering Sedins kept taking over the years, a lot of CDC members including me was hoping to see a new dawn. 

Don’t think it fair to call them babies. 

And I still want Bo as our captain. 

 

 

PS. After sleeping on it I can see, why as @stawns say they wanted the two points. Its a pro sport and the youngsters wanted to win. And then deal with it next time they meet, although for me its too far away. 

Reality is only time will tell, who is right. 

And lets see how the league handles it. If they hammer him for the slam dunk, then I will have regained faith as it would send out a message from the league that dirty plays against stars is not ok... I won’t hold my breath though. 

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22 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Bo should have took the hit no matter what. He passed and that is as much a commentary on the Sedin era as not. Bo came in under their tutelage. I am hoping he realizes this will be a new era and that players like EP40 will always be targets unless protected. IMHO the reaction has to be automatic not a vote on the bench or a coach saying "calm down'.

You don't think Bo coming out right after the EP hit and scoring the winner and then helping dhit the Panthers down is the best response?

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20 hours ago, Hugor Hill said:

We need to protect our stars like how the Oilers protected Gretzky.

Imagine if it was Gretzky who received a can-opener / choke-slam combo, how would Marty McSorley react?

 

McSorley and Semenko surely would have been looking at the scoreboard and thinking "this is a close one, we better not even breathe on the opposing team in case we risk a penalty and potentially losing these 2 points in October during our rebuild... Way to take one for the team Gretz!" 

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3 hours ago, stawns said:

You don't think Bo coming out right after the EP hit and scoring the winner and then helping dhit the Panthers down is the best response?

He would've tried to win anyways with or without Petey's injury.

It's good that we've won, but pain and detriments to Matheson's ability to earn are the best deterrents. 

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2 hours ago, Kushman said:

McSorley and Semenko surely would have been looking at the scoreboard and thinking "this is a close one, we better not even breathe on the opposing team in case we risk a penalty and potentially losing these 2 points in October during our rebuild... Way to take one for the team Gretz!" 

You do realize it's 2018 and the game has changed, right?

 

Enforcers are all but extinct and the game isn't played that way anymore. All the 'Gino!' or 'Semenko!' yelling in the world isn't going to change reality.

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22 hours ago, DontMessMe said:

 

ROLE MODEL

Remember when Lucic ran over Miller in Buffalo, and the Sabres made no response?  That was an embarrassing moment for the Sabre players, and (I'm sure) Miller remembered it.  

This incident with Pete was different.  None of the players on the ice saw what happened.  I doubt any player saw what happened, and only noticed the dirty cheap shot (obvious intent to injure) on replays.  

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Remember when Lucic ran over Miller in Buffalo, and the Sabres made no response?  That was an embarrassing moment for the Sabre players, and (I'm sure) Miller remembered it.  

This incident with Pete was different.  None of the players on the ice saw what happened.  I doubt any player saw what happened, and only noticed the dirty cheap shot (obvious intent to injure) on replays.  

I bet Miller's glad he's on the Ducks now. At least Getzlaf will step up for his team. 

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4 hours ago, aGENT said:

You do realize it's 2018 and the game has changed, right?

 

Enforcers are all but extinct and the game isn't played that way anymore. All the 'Gino!' or 'Semenko!' yelling in the world isn't going to change reality.

Did you watch the first game of the season against Calgary?  

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yup.

 

The two circumstances weren't the same. And Hamonic isn't an enforcer (unfortunately proven out by his now broken face).

you're right, they are two different circumstances. Calgary's player wasn't injured on the play, nor was Gudbranson intent as clear as Mathesons was when he hit EP. Yet, Hamonic still stood up for their young player because that's what teammates are supposed to do. Yes, he lost the fight, but that's not relevant, his actions to stand up to Gudbranson spoke louder than winning or losing that fight. It said "you are not gonna be able to take runs at our players without consequences". I'm sure Hamonic also gained a tremendous amount of respect in his own locker room and gave confidence to everyone in that room that everyone is willing to sacrifice for eachother. Contrast that with what happened with EP. He gets taken out by a dirty hit, can barely get up and leaves the game, the team does NOTHING. Even if you aren't going to challenge for a fight like Hamonic did, the message HAS to be that everyone goes out there and ups their intensity and the physicality. You go out there and you finish every check. You don't let them just get away with taking out your best player. They showed complete cowardice and its embarrassing. Go on youtube and search up any respectable team that has had their top player taken out by a dirty play (or even a clean hit for that matter) and watch how they respond.  Times have changed, but if you actually watch cup winning teams like Pittsburgh, Boston, LA, Chicago, Washington, etc etc... watch what happens when someone takes a cheap shot or run at their players. They certainly don't just play on as if nothing ever happened and then say "oh we didn't know what happened until after the game..." Ya... he just slipped and fell on his own. 

 

 

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Thanks to Kushman (and an upvote). Couldn't have said it better.  

 

I know I would have challenged Matheson after that hit and I am built like EP and more than twice his age.  Why are the fans more passionate than the players paid millions to stick up for their team?  

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2 hours ago, Kushman said:

you're right, they are two different circumstances. Calgary's player wasn't injured on the play, nor was Gudbranson intent as clear as Mathesons was when he hit EP. Yet, Hamonic still stood up for their young player because that's what teammates are supposed to do. Yes, he lost the fight, but that's not relevant, his actions to stand up to Gudbranson spoke louder than winning or losing that fight. It said "you are not gonna be able to take runs at our players without consequences". I'm sure Hamonic also gained a tremendous amount of respect in his own locker room and gave confidence to everyone in that room that everyone is willing to sacrifice for eachother. Contrast that with what happened with EP. He gets taken out by a dirty hit, can barely get up and leaves the game, the team does NOTHING. Even if you aren't going to challenge for a fight like Hamonic did, the message HAS to be that everyone goes out there and ups their intensity and the physicality. You go out there and you finish every check. You don't let them just get away with taking out your best player. They showed complete cowardice and its embarrassing. Go on youtube and search up any respectable team that has had their top player taken out by a dirty play (or even a clean hit for that matter) and watch how they respond.  Times have changed, but if you actually watch cup winning teams like Pittsburgh, Boston, LA, Chicago, Washington, etc etc... watch what happens when someone takes a cheap shot or run at their players. They certainly don't just play on as if nothing ever happened and then say "oh we didn't know what happened until after the game..." Ya... he just slipped and fell on his own. 

 

 

Ignores the different contexts within the games.

 

Ignores what happened to Hamonic.

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2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

And I'm sick of reading Agent's comments defending literally every move the canucks end up making. 

You're the only one who has control over what you read.  If you know a certain poster triggers you, don't read their posts.  Speaking for myself, there are probably only half the posters I actually read.  A couple I have on ignore for whatever reason.  

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On 10/6/2018 at 10:07 PM, Wilbur said:

Always love it when someone puts Messier down a notch in all-time Canuck scoring.  Horvat did that tonight with his two point effort.

49.  Tiger Williams LW 312 83 82 165
50.  Bo Horvat C 297 72 91 163
51.  Orland Kurtenbach C 229 62 101 163
52.  Doug Halward D 324 45 118 163
53.  Moe Lemay LW 279 70 92 162
54.  Mark Messier C 207 52 110 162

So thankful I don't remember one of Messiers goals. That's getting back there though. The last goal I remember Bure scoring was the skate-to-stick in Preseason.

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