ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, gurn said: Until they have a better guy, he's the guy. Dealing Schmidt with out getting a d man back just ensures we see Alex, getting big minutes again. I'd say he would be a good #5, and a really good #6 on a contender; however the Canucks are a couple years away from that. Keep him under 14-15 a game, his play will pick up with less ice time at this point of his career. More like until they sign another guy is the approach I'd rather take, but I understand waiting until after Seattle expansion draft to then determine what route to take with what players are available after. I've been on this train ride for 4 years now wanting Edler gone, hope it's not a 5th 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 17 hours ago, gurn said: Until they have a better guy, he's the guy. Dealing Schmidt with out getting a d man back just ensures we see Alex, getting big minutes again. I'd say he would be a good #5, and a really good #6 on a contender; however the Canucks are a couple years away from that. Keep him under 14-15 a game, his play will pick up with less ice time at this point of his career. I don't doubt Edler is aging. Here's the sad point IMO. Most fans ( 5 years old and up ) judge players solely on speed ( it's simple ) however few judge on IQ, positioning and experience and most of all composed presence. I see little panick in Edlers game ...why ... because he's seen it all before. Green trust he will do the right thing no matter what the circumstance .... again IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Fred65 said: I don't doubt Edler is aging. Here's the sad point IMO. Most fans ( 5 years old and up ) judge players solely on speed ( it's simple ) however few judge on IQ, positioning and experience and most of all composed presence. I see little panick in Edlers game ...why ... because he's seen it all before. Green trust he will do the right thing no matter what the circumstance .... again IMO From my perspective it is about the TOI that Edler would take from younger players who will hopefully be part of a serious CUP drive. His ice should go to OJ and Rathbone so they can develop. There might be a depth spot for Alex based on how the roster shakes out. I would like to be sentimental about Edler's contribution over many years but cannot be. He is still a solid defender but in all reality he will not be part of another CUP drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, Boudrias said: From my perspective it is about the TOI that Edler would take from younger players who will hopefully be part of a serious CUP drive. His ice should go to OJ and Rathbone so they can develop. There might be a depth spot for Alex based on how the roster shakes out. I would like to be sentimental about Edler's contribution over many years but cannot be. He is still a solid defender but in all reality he will not be part of another CUP drive. Managing Ice time is without doubt an essential element, however in reality what happnes a youngster screws up and TG goes to experience. Fundamentally Edlers ice time is directly related to how much youngster screw up. Not many games can be won if the D keeps screwing up and IMO the D looks like a fire drill too often. I hope Shaw can turn that around 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Bjugstad is a player certainly coveted by Gillis, he hasn't exactly turned out to be what they envisaged IMO Edited July 13, 2021 by Fred65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Bjugstad is a player certainly coveted by Gillis, he hasn't exactly turned out to be what they envisaged IMO 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Loss of memory it should be remembered is the early sign of aging 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Too bad some older Canucks fans have a hard time moving on from certain players and letting go, they seem happy with mediocre play and could care less for trying to improve, the fact that some of these fans have watched Edler get burned year after year and it continues to happen and they still turn a blind eye to the problem, and still try to defend him by even saying his in good postion... If you're saying that when Edler is notorious for jumping up into the rush and not being able to get back and be out of position, who are you even watching out there is my question now.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Too bad some older Canucks fans have a hard time moving on from certain players and letting go, they seem happy with mediocre play and could care less for trying to improve, the fact that some of these fans have watched Edler get burned year after year and it continues to happen and they still turn a blind eye to the problem, and still try to defend him by even saying his in good postion... If you're saying that when Edler is notorious for jumping up into the rush and not being able to get back and be out of position, who are you even watching out there is my question now.... First of all the D jumping into the rush is a coaches mandate, it's the very essence of Greens system D on both side of the ice do the same thing especially young Hughes who I might add is the worse minus player on the team. The Green System needs tinkering with IMO. Benn for instance was not used to that and ended up as the best plus player on the team. It was a attack first system and the the D suffered as a result, fingers crossed Shaw can introduce some order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Fred65 said: First of all the D jumping into the rush is a coaches mandate, it's the very essence of Greens system D on both side of the ice do the same thing especially young Hughes who I might add is the worse minus player on the team. The Green System needs tinkering with IMO. Benn for instance was not used to that and ended up as the best plus player on the team. It was a attack first system and the the D suffered as a result, fingers crossed Shaw can introduce some order Edler thinks he's 28 still, but plays like he's 48, he's just way to slow, even at the point he will lose the puck and has no chance in catching them he normally takes hooking penalties because he can't catch them. Its not just in the rush, but that's one of the issues. Whether it's the coaches pushing him to do it or if it's him making the decision sometimes, they both are a fail, and I hate the coach so that's easy for me. Hughes doesn't get a free pass from me either, I've acknowledge he needs to improve on his defensive side luckily he's still young and has time to work on it, where Edler is not young anymore and his time is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Edler thinks he's 28 still, but plays like he's 48, he's just way to slow, even at the point he will lose the puck and has no chance in catching them he normally takes hooking penalties because he can't catch them. Its not just in the rush, but that's one of the issues. Whether it's the coaches pushing him to do it or if it's him making the decision sometimes, they both are a fail, and I hate the coach so that's easy for me. Hughes doesn't get a free pass from me either, I've acknowledge he needs to improve on his defensive side luckily he's still young and has time to work on it, where Edler is not young anymore and his time is done. It's Greens cherry on the sundae, D'men jumping into the attack. It's been like that since his first season as coach and with ALL the D'men. It doesn't matter which D is out there they all make the same play. Despite what ever yu and I think Green trusts Edlers experience. Hughes by the way despite 2 seasons now has actually worsened in the defence, so if he''s learning it isn't showing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Fred65 said: It's Greens cherry on the sundae, D'men jumping into the attack. It's been like that since his first season as coach and with ALL the D'men. It doesn't matter which D is out there they all make the same play. Despite what ever yu and I think Green trusts Edlers experience. Hughes by the way despite 2 seasons now has actually worsened in the defence, so if he''s learning it isn't showing Definitely surprising when most of the play in games under Green are in the Canucks zone, 75% of the games it seems the Canucks are outshot from the opposition and they normally outblock their opponents in shots most games as well. It's very interesting how he coach wants the D jumping up into the rush so much when they play most of the game in their zone already and rely heavily on the D blocking shots. The amount of games Markstrom stole for wins the last previous years was ridiculous to watch, but I haven't seen much changing, Demko is still bailing this team out when he's in net, the majority of play is sill in our zone every game, it definitely seems they play a more defensive style game, so this D jumping in the rush without puck possession in the offensive zone is a fail automatically by the sounds of it. Yes Hughes +/- was worse this year, but he still has a ways to go before he is as bad as Edler was 8 years ago with his league leading -39, but somehow Edler is still good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Definitely surprising when most of the play in games under Green are in the Canucks zone, 75% of the games it seems the Canucks are outshot from the opposition and they normally outblock their opponents in shots most games as well. It's very interesting how he coach wants the D jumping up into the rush so much when they play most of the game in their zone already and rely heavily on the D blocking shots. The amount of games Markstrom stole for wins the last previous years was ridiculous to watch, but I haven't seen much changing, Demko is still bailing this team out when he's in net, the majority of play is sill in our zone every game, it definitely seems they play a more defensive style game, so this D jumping in the rush without puck possession in the offensive zone is a fail automatically by the sounds of it. Yes Hughes +/- was worse this year, but he still has a ways to go before he is as bad as Edler was 8 years ago with his league leading -39, but somehow Edler is still good.... I think you'll see a different approach from a defensive standpoint going forward. Green will have to adjust his approach to allow for Shaw's input. I'd prefer that the team get younger, bigger and stronger, and re-signing Edler seems to be a serious deviation from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Definitely surprising when most of the play in games under Green are in the Canucks zone, 75% of the games it seems the Canucks are outshot from the opposition and they normally outblock their opponents in shots most games as well. It's very interesting how he coach wants the D jumping up into the rush so much when they play most of the game in their zone already and rely heavily on the D blocking shots. The amount of games Markstrom stole for wins the last previous years was ridiculous to watch, but I haven't seen much changing, Demko is still bailing this team out when he's in net, the majority of play is sill in our zone every game, it definitely seems they play a more defensive style game, so this D jumping in the rush without puck possession in the offensive zone is a fail automatically by the sounds of it. Yes Hughes +/- was worse this year, but he still has a ways to go before he is as bad as Edler was 8 years ago with his league leading -39, but somehow Edler is still good.... Ah yes the Tortorella period, closely followed by Wee Willy, some say the good old days, others tell the truth. Enough said. It was the start of the the Canucks road to disaster , but JB assured us the fans " 'This is a team we can turn around in a hurry'" What followed was mayhem and chaos yeah the good old days Edited July 13, 2021 by Fred65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think you'll see a different approach from a defensive standpoint going forward. Green will have to adjust his approach to allow for Shaw's input. I'd prefer that the team get younger, bigger and stronger, and re-signing Edler seems to be a serious deviation from that. I do hope so, and hopefully not everyone is trying to jump up into the rush anymore and only the ones offensively gifted for it try it occasionally,(cough cough Myers stay back). I really wanted to wait until Seattle picked their players to then see who would be available to grab still, but it looks like they just rather resign these guys instead, don't like this approach like you I want bigger and stronger back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Ah yes the Tortorella period, closely followed by Wee Willy, some say the good old days, others tell the truth. Enough said. It was the start of the the Canucks road to disaster Or it was the start of Edlers decline... Edler couldn't even score a goal this year.... He's actually never scored less then 5 goals in a single year, but he literally scored 0 this year, if that's not a sign that he's declining then I don't know if you'll ever see one... Edit my bad his rookie season he only had 1G in 22GP Edited July 13, 2021 by ChuckNORRIS4Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: I do hope so, and hopefully not everyone is trying to jump up into the rush anymore and only the ones offensively gifted for it try it occasionally,(cough cough Myers stay back). Shaw's experience developing the defense systems in St. Louis and Columbus will help here, as long as Benning doesn't think that it can be done without some augmentation to the corps of the defense. 1 minute ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: I really wanted to wait until Seattle picked their players to then see who would be available to grab still, but it looks like they just rather resign these guys instead, don't like this approach like you I want bigger and stronger back there. Hopefully the reports from Donnie and Dhali are mere speculation, and aren't based in too much fact. Benning himself stated that the focus for defense was to get bigger and stronger. I hope he'll still be active at free agency or trade for size for the back end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Or it was the start of Edlers decline... Edler couldn't even score a goal this year.... He's actually never scored less then 5 goals in a single year, but he literally scored 0 this year, if that's not a sign that he's declining then I don't know if you'll ever see one... Edit my bad his rookie season he only had 1G in 22GP The other thing that is apparent is how much Tanev protected Hughes. Edler actually got his break when Vcr suffered so many D injuries and he never really looked back. He's played with so many coaches, Vigneault , Torts, Wee Willy and now Green. He also played with a lot of quality D such as Ohlund and Hamhuis and flash back Luc Bourdoin, Salo and Bieska. So it's hard to judge for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Fred65 said: The other thing that is apparent is how much Tanev protected Hughes. Edler actually got his break when Vcr suffered so many D injuries and he never really looked back. He's played with so many coaches, Vigneault , Torts, Wee Willy and now Green. He also played with a lot of quality D such as Ohlund and Hamhuis and flash back Luc Bourdoin, Salo and Bieska. So it's hard to judge for sure Tbh I liked how much Schenn protected Hughes more, but yes Tanev helped Hughes because he was a defensive minded first kind of guy, and that's exactly what Hughes needs as a partner, basically you need to find a Willie Mitchell somewhere for Hughes, but if guys like Myers and Edler are jumping up into the rush paired up with Hughes well that's an automatic fail, but if Edler is still on this team well that's an automatic fail again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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