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4 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Agreed.  Terrible game against NJ.  We sure paid a lot for some 'character'. Everyone giving Pratt flack for the Alberts 2.0 comparison but this is one of the rare times he might be right.

 

Its like Alberts for the price of Ballard. I don't know what to call him now, Ballberts or Hansom Aaron Rome. He kinda reminds me of Cam Barker because of his horrible lateral movement and really bad draft position Cam Ballberts? 

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8 hours ago, elvis15 said:

Sbisa has been better, and Tryamkin has been solid (after he finally got up to speed) but Pedan is not yet a regular solution to replace a 23min/game defenceman. Guddy's playing a lot of minutes and doesn't get enough credit for what he does. In fact, him playing those tougher minutes frees up guys like Sbisa and Tryamkin to play a little easier minutes and not get exposed as often with giveaways or conditioning issues. It allows Stecher more opportunity for an offensive deployment, and reduces the need for us to use someone like Larsen, particularly while we have Edler and Tanev both out.

 

Hutton may be having trouble due to chemistry with Gudbranson, or it could be the resulting deployment, or something else, but Guddy's not dragging him down like an anchor either.

 

I know what you are saying and theoretically that should make sense but he is extremely depressing to watch. I don't know how else to explain his play. He is so slow that he actually looks like part of the odd man rush at times. Aside from the few fights he has had it's been a pretty uneventful start to his career in Blue & Green. He has an absolutely brutal shot as well. He would have been a great D-man in 2001 though. I'll give him that. 

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6 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

 

I know what you are saying and theoretically that should make sense but he is extremely depressing to watch. I don't know how else to explain his play. He is so slow that he actually looks like part of the odd man rush at times. Aside from the few fights he has had it's been a pretty uneventful start to his career in Blue & Green. He has an absolutely brutal shot as well. He would have been a great D-man in 2001 though. I'll give him that. 

Gudbranson is a space eating, minute muncher.  Our team is crap.  Even the Twins look horrible much of the time.

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57 minutes ago, Jam126 said:

I don't think people realize his style around here...

Agreed. I don't know why people got so hyped about him around here. He's playing pretty much the same as he always has. He doesn't have much skill, he has size and apparently "character" whatever that means. That's what he does and that's why he is still in the league. 

 

Personally, I didn't think we needed another guy like that on defense, but apparently Benning likes those kind of guys. I'd rather defencemen who can skate, and make a good first pass. Yes, there's still room for big, slower, more physical defenders in the NHL for use on the PK and other particular situations but a team shouldn't employ 3 or 4 of them like the Canucks. 

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He looked terrible in nj.

he got walked around more than hamhuis 

he fell more than edler

so far and it's early and bennings team is terrible all around and the garbage coaching isn't helping but he hasn't stood out in a positive way or impressed.

i almost afraid of what benning will sign him to 7 years at 6 mill per.  with a  ntc. Seems on par for a benning signing. 

 

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12 hours ago, elvis15 said:

Sbisa has been better, and Tryamkin has been solid (after he finally got up to speed) but Pedan is not yet a regular solution to replace a 23min/game defenceman. Guddy's playing a lot of minutes and doesn't get enough credit for what he does. In fact, him playing those tougher minutes frees up guys like Sbisa and Tryamkin to play a little easier minutes and not get exposed as often with giveaways or conditioning issues. It allows Stecher more opportunity for an offensive deployment, and reduces the need for us to use someone like Larsen, particularly while we have Edler and Tanev both out.

 

Hutton may be having trouble due to chemistry with Gudbranson, or it could be the resulting deployment, or something else, but Guddy's not dragging him down like an anchor either.

Gudbranson scores from that point shot in the 3rd and he loses his status of 'flavor of the week'. Amazing how 25 games tells some people so much. Does this mean Hutton gets another go around or does Sbisa become the fall guy again.

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44 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Gudbranson scores from that point shot in the 3rd and he loses his status of 'flavor of the week'. Amazing how 25 games tells some people so much. Does this mean Hutton gets another go around or does Sbisa become the fall guy again.

If it was my choice, Hutton. He was pretty bad last game. His no-look passes were killing possession. It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him sit out a game or two. Although with the injuries to the defense, sitting isn't an option at this point.

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

If it was my choice, Hutton. He was pretty bad last game. His no-look passes were killing possession. It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him sit out a game or two. Although with the injuries to the defense, sitting isn't an option at this point.

That's what happens when you have guys playing above their pay grade as 1st line Damen.  Both Gudbranson and Hutton are having a tough time against top lines..it's going to get worse the better the teams they face.

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7 minutes ago, ice orca said:

That's what happens when you have guys playing above their pay grade as 1st line Damen.  Both Gudbranson and Hutton are having a tough time against top lines..it's going to get worse the better the teams they face.

From the games I've watched, Hutton is the far more tentative and indecisive player of the two. Gudbranson seems to have more confidence, but also seems to be muzzled in his own end far too often. There have been times where Gudbranson has a clear hit lined up, but chooses to battle for the puck instead. Again, I'd say that Willie is instructing his defense to tone down the physicality, and there couldn't be anything worse for the Canucks to be doing right now.

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2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

If it was my choice, Hutton. He was pretty bad last game. His no-look passes were killing possession. It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him sit out a game or two. Although with the injuries to the defense, sitting isn't an option at this point.

 

52 minutes ago, ice orca said:

That's what happens when you have guys playing above their pay grade as 1st line Damen.  Both Gudbranson and Hutton are having a tough time against top lines..it's going to get worse the better the teams they face.

Those would be the minutes Edler normally soaks up there Phil ;)

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

From the games I've watched, Hutton is the far more tentative and indecisive player of the two. Gudbranson seems to have more confidence, but also seems to be muzzled in his own end far too often. There have been times where Gudbranson has a clear hit lined up, but chooses to battle for the puck instead. Again, I'd say that Willie is instructing his defense to tone down the physicality, and there couldn't be anything worse for the Canucks to be doing right now.

Willie, with a push from management, has us playing a VERY PASSIVE game.  It's boring as hell to watch, but does keep goals down.  

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Willie, with a push from management, has us playing a VERY PASSIVE game.  It's boring as hell to watch, but does keep goals down.  

I have a hard time believing that Benning acquired Gudbranson for him not to be used to intimidate. He's been tentative in a way that he wasn't in seasons previous. Yes, he's with a new team and in a new division, but watching him play, I get the sense that he's intentionally holding back.

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I have a hard time believing that Benning acquired Gudbranson for him not to be used to intimidate. He's been tentative in a way that he wasn't in seasons previous. Yes, he's with a new team and in a new division, but watching him play, I get the sense that he's intentionally holding back.

All the players are intentionally holding back.  It's the passive game.  They will sag off to better guard the high %age scoring areas.  No running or chasing.  It starts in the ozone with the 1-2-2, and ends up in front of our net.  Gudbranson will not leave his position to make a play, none of our guys will.  It's a tight structure.  That's one reason why so many of our guys look slow; they get caught standing still.  It's the perfect game for the Twins, and very similar to what Sweden did in their best years.  I really hate it; it's not the Canadian way.  

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

All the players are intentionally holding back.  It's the passive game.  They will sag off to better guard the high %age scoring areas.  No running or chasing.  It starts in the ozone with the 1-2-2, and ends up in front of our net.  Gudbranson will not leave his position to make a play, none of our guys will.  It's a tight structure.  That's one reason why so many of our guys look slow; they get caught standing still.  It's the perfect game for the Twins, and very similar to what Sweden did in their best years.  I really hate it; it's not the Canadian way.  

Good point. Never looked at it that way. I guess Desjardins is being a good little coach and doing what his highest paid players want. Playing to the strengths of those who are not the strongest, in any physical attribute (brute force, speed, skating) is a huge mistake. And one that Desjardins is clinging to like TP at a poop party.

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.. and the sky is falling again so let's blame it on our D core.

.. not the systems,. and definitely not the lack of scoring from our forwards.

Yes, let's rip our young, D end..

our forwards aren't doing anything anyway.

Christ you guys,. time for new Denta-Creme or what? 

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6 hours ago, Alflives said:

All the players are intentionally holding back.  It's the passive game.  They will sag off to better guard the high %age scoring areas.  No running or chasing.  It starts in the ozone with the 1-2-2, and ends up in front of our net.  Gudbranson will not leave his position to make a play, none of our guys will.  It's a tight structure.  That's one reason why so many of our guys look slow; they get caught standing still.  It's the perfect game for the Twins, and very similar to what Sweden did in their best years.  I really hate it; it's not the Canadian way.  

 

7 hours ago, Alflives said:

Willie, with a push from management, has us playing a VERY PASSIVE game.  It's boring as hell to watch, but does keep goals down.  

Alf, neither Hutton nor Stecher is playing passively from the back end. And, as for keeping goals down, only 7 teams in the NHL have allowed more goals against than the Canucks, so the Canucks are sitting in 23rd spot..

 

7 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

No doubt Edler is missed, but Hutton needs to simplify his game. He's making far too many desperation passes, which end up on the stick of opposing forwards.

Yes, Edler is missed. He gets way too much criticism on CDC. He consistently goes up against  the other teams' top line and does well, and he does a great job on the PK. His offense has taken a step back this year, but he is still an offensive threat.

 

But I am not sure Hutton should simplify his game. We hear and read that a lot -- player x should simplify his game, But the most valuable defencemen are guys who don't play a simple game -- guys who have some offensive creativity as well as solid defensive play. (Doughty, Karlsson, Keith, Subban, etc) There is some possibility that Hutton can develop into a significant offensive threat. I want to see him keep trying. Same with Stecher. If we give up a few extra goals this year, I am not going to worry about it. After all, the Canucks are currently in 28th place.

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34 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

Alf, neither Hutton nor Stecher is playing passively from the back end. And, as for keeping goals down, only 7 teams in the NHL have allowed more goals against than the Canucks, so the Canucks are sitting in 23rd spot..

 

Yes, Edler is missed. He gets way too much criticism on CDC. He consistently goes up against  the other teams' top line and does well, and he does a great job on the PK. His offense has taken a step back this year, but he is still an offensive threat.

 

But I am not sure Hutton should simplify his game. We hear and read that a lot -- player x should simplify his game, But the most valuable defencemen are guys who don't play a simple game -- guys who have some offensive creativity as well as solid defensive play. (Doughty, Karlsson, Keith, Subban, etc) There is some possibility that Hutton can develop into a significant offensive threat. I want to see him keep trying. Same with Stecher. If we give up a few extra goals this year, I am not going to worry about it. After all, the Canucks are currently in 28th place.

The difference, in my opinion is that Stecher seems to have a laser like focus and innate ability to see the game in a way that Hutton doesn't. I like Hutton, don't get me wrong, but he needs to not get so frazzled. 

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