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17 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

Yeah, if Bo really wanted to win his way in to the hearts of the fans and his teammates he should of went at Lewis.

Bo has already won the his way into the hearts of most fans through his play. He and Darnell Nurse had a pretty decent go last season, so I was surprised when Bo didn't do something.

17 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

  But it's not that he isn't willing to do it, we have seen him scrap before it's just the mentality of the team as a whole, lead by the Sedins and Edler.  Passive, soft, apologetic, clean and respectful.  It's no coincidence that every big/tough player we bring in eventually turns in to a cream puff, especially the younger ones(there are a few exceptions).  Hopefully it doesn't rub off on too many of our young guys to the point where they turn in to those types of players as well.  Things will change once the Sedins are gone.

Gudbranson hasn't been a creampuff since he came here. That being said, as long as the Sedins and Edler are the predominant veteran presence on the team, the complete lack of pushback will continue to permeate the lineup.

 

To still have Dorsett, Bieksa, or Rypien (RIP) would be huge. Gudbranson is right though. Management will need to acquire free agents or player through trade that won't stand and watch as fellow teammates are manhandled.

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34 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

Yeah, if Bo really wanted to win his way in to the hearts of the fans and his teammates he should of went at Lewis.  But it's not that he isn't willing to do it, we have seen him scrap before it's just the mentality of the team as a whole, lead by the Sedins and Edler.  Passive, soft, apologetic, clean and respectful.  It's no coincidence that every big/tough player we bring in eventually turns in to a cream puff, especially the younger ones(there are a few exceptions).  Hopefully it doesn't rub off on too many of our young guys to the point where they turn in to those types of players as well.  Things will change once the Sedins are gone.

Love the cream puff statement, bang on, and yes everyone pretty much tones their game down with them as leaders imo.

 

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

 

hahaha.  I truly think some of you overestimate the need for big guys. Don't get me wrong - pushback is nice in the regular season and important in the playoffs.  But Lind is a chippy guy, Gadjovich is no slouch and VIrtanen SHOULD be big enough to support the team in that manner. Gaudette isn't a weakling himself.  So we trade a guy like Gagner or Granlund and replace him with a Dorsettish player.  I can live with that. 

 

You know what we REALLY need?  Ferland.  The guy is beast and when placed with high skill players actually CAN play the game.  Trade Baertschi for a guy like that.  We would have plenty of scoring in a couple of years from the forwards in that scenario and could afford to give up a few points in return for a beast.

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59 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Alas, Toronto would be insane to pull that deal. Benning would be trying to stifle his snickers as he hung up the phone if he pulled that one off.

I don't disagree. I actually think the valuation is way off, as Marner is an elite player in the making.  I think the suggestion for Brown was far more in line with the kind of player we could get in return.  The only thing that makes it at least remotely plausible (if it is at all) is that Toronto has an abundance of young talent, and Marner has had difficulty finding his place there and doesn't seem to be in the coach's good books much of the time.

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1 hour ago, kloubek said:

I don't disagree. I actually think the valuation is way off, as Marner is an elite player in the making.  I think the suggestion for Brown was far more in line with the kind of player we could get in return.  The only thing that makes it at least remotely plausible (if it is at all) is that Toronto has an abundance of young talent, and Marner has had difficulty finding his place there and doesn't seem to be in the coach's good books much of the time.

Marner would need at least Tanev plus 

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2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I don't think so at all.

 

Virtanen wasn't on the ice when Boeser was boarded, and slammed Lewis into the boards on the first opportunity and challenged him.

 

It was later revealed that Lewis had a taped wrist and was unable to fight. What a turd.

 

Gudbranson was calling out the Canucks on the ice in my opinon. Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Alex Edler, and Bo Horvat. Which is totally fair.

 

Clearly Edler and the Sedins aren't really in to standing up for their teammate (and never have been), but Bo should have done something.

I remeber how pathetically and half assed Edler skated towards Lewis after that hit, no emotion nothing as he just watched our future get crushed 

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1 minute ago, Silky mitts said:

Marner would need at least Tanev plus 

IMHAO, Marnef would be worth Tanev plus our (very high) second.  I think the Leafs would be INCREDIBLY STUPID to trade Mariner though.  If they trade a young forward it should be W. (I’m super soft, and a double flamingo) Nylander.  And I DO NOT WANT HIM! 

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22 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

We can't build this team around wingers.  We are already gonna be paying Boeser around 7mil per year and petterson might even be better suited for left wing, we dont know yet.  Wingers should be out our last priority right now 

Guddy + ? (Not sure, accept it would be a lot though) to FLA for Barkov?  :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Silky mitts said:

I remeber how pathetically and half assed Edler skated towards Lewis after that hit, no emotion nothing as he just watched our future get crushed 

For a guy that can hit as hard as he does, he has absolutely zero pushback. I'm tired of watching the past. Time for it to head out and make place for the future. 

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2 hours ago, Silky mitts said:

I remeber how pathetically and half assed Edler skated towards Lewis after that hit, no emotion nothing as he just watched our future get crushed 

I didnt see these reactions (or lack thereof) but if Edler and Horvat were on the ice they probably both should have stepped up.  The Sedins get a pass in comparison, though to see Henrik actually lead by physical example would be nice too.  For the last 15 years.

 

Hopefully Horvat grows some.

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4 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I didnt see these reactions (or lack thereof) but if Edler and Horvat were on the ice they probably both should have stepped up.  The Sedins get a pass in comparison, though to see Henrik actually lead by physical example would be nice too.  For the last 15 years.

 

Hopefully Horvat grows some.

Clear the bench and start pounding.  If the other team stays on their bench, do serious damage to their six guys on the ice.  Old time, Punch McLean hockey.  Let our star know we got his back, front, and both sides.  

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21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Clear the bench and start pounding.  If the other team stays on their bench, do serious damage to their six guys on the ice.  Old time, Punch McLean hockey.  Let our star know we got his back, front, and both sides.  

Heh. I see what you did there.  

 

There is still an element of the old school style.  Until they hand out instigating penalties every time I dont see it stopping any time soon.

 

Its not so much the regular season where such pushback is often required but the playoffs can still be pretty cutthroat and if you dont at least have general toughness and pushback it can be the deciding factor.

 

So can Tryamkin.

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7 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Heh. I see what you did there.  

 

There is still an element of the old school style.  Until they hand out instigating penalties every time I dont see it stopping any time soon.

 

Its not so much the regular season where such pushback is often required but the playoffs can still be pretty cutthroat and if you dont at least have general toughness and pushback it can be the deciding factor.

 

So can Tryamkin.

Trade Tanev (best return potential) sign Guddy, and bring back Tryamkin.  Play Guddy with Juiolevi and Tryamkin with Dhalin.  Oh ya, my plan includes us winning the draft lotto:)

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54 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I didnt see these reactions (or lack thereof) but if Edler and Horvat were on the ice they probably both should have stepped up.  The Sedins get a pass in comparison, though to see Henrik actually lead by physical example would be nice too.  For the last 15 years.

 

Hopefully Horvat grows some.

Hopefully Horvat grows some? He's taken on Darnell Nurse to a draw. He has some. 

 

Please. This team has three veterans who have never stood up for a single teammate. That's where the problem lies, and hopefully retires this summer 

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18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Trade Tanev (best return potential) sign Guddy, and bring back Tryamkin.  Play Guddy with Juiolevi and Tryamkin with Dhalin.  Oh ya, my plan includes us winning the draft lotto:)

You think either Tryamkin or Guddy can defend anywhere close to Tanev?  Not sure about that. Mayhe then you get a third truly effective stay at home defenseman.  I suppose three defensive style players works ok if you have three scoring players to match with them.  Which we clearly dont.

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1 minute ago, kloubek said:

You think either Tryamkin or Guddy can defend anywhere close to Tanev?  Not sure about that. Mayhe then you get a third truly effective stay at home defenseman.  I suppose three defensive style players works ok if you have three scoring players to match with them.  Which we clearly dont.

There are few in the league, who defend like Tanev.  Guddy and Tryamkin can protect our two young guys better than most in the league.  

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3 hours ago, kloubek said:

You think either Tryamkin or Guddy can defend anywhere close to Tanev?  Not sure about that. Mayhe then you get a third truly effective stay at home defenseman.  I suppose three defensive style players works ok if you have three scoring players to match with them.  Which we clearly dont.

I somewhat agree with Alf. Tanev is the best defenseman we have at actually defending, and one of the best in the league at doing just that. However he's not exactly a big or physical guy and due to his deployment ends up taking a lot of physical abuse which inevitably leads to injury. Sadly, due to the amount of injuries he's already sustained I don't forsee him having the longest of careers. Realistically speaking, the Canucks are still a few years away from contending and by the time they are ready Tanev may have already taken too many injuries to be a top 2 or 3 defenseman on the team. As such, I don't think it would be the worst idea to sell high now.

 

I hope we are able to re-sign Guddy. Guddy may not replace the defense Tanev brings, but he is a couple years younger and brings something else that the Canucks lack. The Canucks don't need him to fight every other game, but just having someone with his physical stature and willingness to get a little dirty does provide a little bit of a deterrent to other teams running our star players. It might not be perfect, and it will still happen from time to time, but something is better than nothing.

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6 hours ago, Diamonds said:

I somewhat agree with Alf

I somewhat agree with your entire post, and Alfs too.  I reread what I wrote and it was just a question... Not a challenge. I made a proposal last night involving Tanev exactly for the reasons you mentioned.

 

I'm just saying we can't expect the same level of defense from a guy like Gudbranson. But what he brings still has value, although if we lost Tanev we would have to get another stay at home defenseman to at least make up most of that body of work.

 

My only concern with Gudbranson is value.  Yes he hits and gives us toughness.  But how much is he going to want for that?  He's not that great of a defender and he contributes little on the scoreboard. His current contract was basically a bridge contract so is he going to want 5?  6?  And is that enough value for toughness we could get on our 3rd or 4th line for maybe a 2m guy?

 

Personally I'd rather do that, and spend the 5-6m on a scoring defenseman which we badly need.

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  I realize fighting is in decline but Guddy really is not a full time tough guy. Over the last five seasons he has 12 majors total, I don't think that is active enough to be a deterrent to other team. If you judge him on playing ability only I see him as a #5 D. If his trade value is higher than a #5 I say trade him. It depends on the ask for his new contract I guess...firmly planted in the sitting on the fence faction...

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