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13 minutes ago, kloubek said:

...if for no other reason that your 7th dman shouldn't be getting paid nearly 3m! But yeah - if he is going to be in this league, he has to improve and to do that, he has to play.

Exactly. Same reason we won't have Juolevi playing here to start next year as the 7th D as some profess.

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11 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

So you are not on the trade Gudbranson and keep Sautner camp? Yep, trade a +300 game d-man and keep a rookie with less than 10 games because you have to know he is a better player! 

If Tryamkin ever came back I'd be on the trade Guddy train sooner than it could blow it's whistle.  But right now, our team is already soft WITH him and I think it would be worse without him.  But make no mistake about it, I DO feel Gudbranson is replaceable. I think in today's NHL and the way it is heading, the guys who are out there primarily because they are big and tough will continue to dwindle.

 

Sautner showed quite well.  He seems to be a solid, safe defenseman. But I also didn't see anything from him that indicated to me he should be in the lineup full time.

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9 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

Be prepared for his "I've played in the bigsand have access to sources that you aren't privy to" rant.

How about I watched him in London over two years and probably saw 1/4 of his games this past year including two live?    Or is that unacceptable to you as well.   :lol:

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http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-huttons-agent-weighs-in-on-future-of-canucks-defenceman

 

“Ben Kuzma: Agent says Hutton has 'fire in his eyes,' will prove people wrong”

 

Some key quotes and excerpts:

 

 

Ben Hutton has been hitting the gym instead of the beach.

 

The much-maligned Vancouver Canucks defenceman is changing his off-season trainer and fitness regimen to better incorporate speed and strength. He will also work with an NHL skating coach to improve explosiveness and his edge work.

He even purchased a Wingate bike — it builds and tests anaerobic power and capacity — in order to take daily steps toward repairing his relationship with the Canucks.

Maybe he’ll come back and kick sand in the faces of his detractors.

 

“I had lots of conversations with (general manager) Jim Benning and never requested a trade,” Hutton’s representative Andy Scott said Thursday from Ottawa. “But there were lots of serious questions about what they felt. I think it’s sincere and genuine that they have a view of Ben that is still positive and optimistic.”

 

“I had a conference call with all hands on deck — including Green — and they wanted more from him (Hutton) this season, and they do see a significant upside,” added Scott. “He’s going to answer the bell. He has the fire in his eyes to have a big summer and prove some people wrong.”

 

Hutton came into training camp at 208 pounds and his weight wavered between 205 and 208. Scott was told that in an exit meeting, the Canucks mentioned his 6-foot-2 client was actually above average in strength and one of the stronger players on the team — right now.

 

“He had some serious adversity this year and some of the stuff was called into question,” said Scott. “Today’s NHL defencemen have to move the puck and have agility. Ben understands that and is keeping an open (training) mind.

“This guy wants to win. Guys shouldn’t be fooled by the smile and the attitude. Part of his personality is the happy-go-lucky guy who likes to have a good time, when it’s not game time. He’s competitive and I feel like that gets lost a little bit.”

 

“I’m going to grind to make sure I come back as one of the most-conditioned guys on the team,” vowed Hutton. “I’ve had a lot of ups and downs but in the long run it’s going to help. It’s simple. Be in top shape and perform to my capabilities.”

 

“It’s very clear with what he wants — he’s a straight-up guy,” said Hutton. “I want to be a puck-moving, mobile defenceman and still be strong in my battles. I need some muscle, but conditioning is big.”

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3 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Whatever happened to this Ben Hutton...

 

https://streamable.com/rh5h#

 

Maybe he’s coming back next season?

 

Check my post above.

 

If Hutton follows through with his summer training plans (strength, conditioning, speed, explosiveness, edge work), and comes back vastly improved, hungry, and with some renewed confidence, we might see some of the old Ben Hutton, and also a new Ben Hutton who’s even better than the best he’s shown us so far.

 

I’m definitely rooting for him. I'm still a big believer in Hutton’s overall ability. I don’t think his game was nearly as bad as some people made it out to be this season. But he did have struggles and he clearly didn’t play to his capabilities. He has a lot more to give.

 

I do think he needs to improve in the areas the Canucks want him to. Sounds like he’s ready to put in the work.

 

I hope he comes back in the best shape of his life and eager to prove people wrong.

 

A rebuilt Ben Hutton could be a very good player in this league.

 

Hopefully for the Canucks.

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SID, yes, I also read that article this morning, and now I wonder, what if Hutton really ramps up his training and comes to camp a different player? (faster, more physical, more serious) Could he possibly turn out to be that puck moving D the Canucks have needed? I guess there's reason for optimism, it's all up to him, and he seems very determined. A lot riding on next year for Hutton. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until next season.

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26 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

SID, yes, I also read that article this morning, and now I wonder, what if Hutton really ramps up his training and comes to camp a different player? (faster, more physical, more serious) Could he possibly turn out to be that puck moving D the Canucks have needed? I guess there's reason for optimism, it's all up to him, and he seems very determined. A lot riding on next year for Hutton. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until next season.

That lack of fitness and off ice professional commitment to being his best is actually (I think) a good thing for Hutton's potential to be quite high.  It's the same with Pouliot too.  These guys have upside, because their issues are not size or skill related, but fitness related, which the players can change.  Jake was like that too, and once he got fit and trim look how much he improved!  Look at Big Buff in Winnipeg too.  He was kind of fat and out of shape, and now he's fit and plays 25 + hard minutes.  Fitness can make a huge change in a player.   

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35 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

now I wonder, what if Hutton really ramps up his training and comes to camp a different player? (faster, more physical, more serious) Could he possibly turn out to be that puck moving D the Canucks have needed? I guess there's reason for optimism, it's all up to him, and he seems very determined. A lot riding on next year for Hutton. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until next season.

I don't think he will ever conceivably be the pmd guy we need.  But I do think he has the potential to be an all-around player in a similar vein to Edler. I don't think he has the offensive ceiling that Elder had early in his career but I do think he can get to the level that Edler is right now, which is a solid 2nd pairing guy. I see no point in moving Hutton at this point in the game.  Let him train the crap out of himself and see what kind of player he is next season.  He had a poor season this year, so we really have nothing to lose in waiting until we are well into next season before we give up on him entirely. And if he CAN get there, then he will be the perfect replacement for Edler when Edler's contract is up after next season.

I feel this coming season is make or break for Hutton with the Canucks.  If his offseason regimen doesn't work out, I expect him to be gone before TDL.

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38 minutes ago, Alflives said:

That lack of fitness and off ice professional commitment to being his best is actually (I think) a good thing for Hutton's potential to be quite high.  It's the same with Pouliot too.  These guys have upside, because their issues are not size or skill related, but fitness related, which the players can change.  Jake was like that too, and once he got fit and trim look how much he improved!  Look at Big Buff in Winnipeg too.  He was kind of fat and out of shape, and now he's fit and plays 25 + hard minutes.  Fitness can make a huge change in a player.   

Pouliot was tied for second among our D in production, with 22 points, he played 10 more games than Hutton, who had 6 points. He needs to work on his defence but there were some good signs there and I agree that fitness and commitment could be the difference and his upside could be very good, enough to keep him in the NHL. I'm just not sure that Hutton does have the same upside, if he proves me wrong then great, but I also think we may end up with some better options between now and the start of next season.

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24 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

 

 

Just popped up in my phone's news feed. Found the tweet for it.

If he wants to continue to live the lifestyle of an NHL player, Hutton has to make these changes.  I wonder if he's committed to changing his diet too?  He will not be able to "out run" a poor diet.  

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8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If he wants to continue to live the lifestyle of an NHL player, Hutton has to make these changes.  I wonder if he's committed to changing his diet too?  He will not be able to "out run" a poor diet.  

Says a  guy who eats cats for a diet.:P

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Hutton’s “Canucks Army Year in Review”:

https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/03/canucks-army-year-in-review-ben-hutton-3/

 

You can pretty much sum up most of the article with the following quote and chart:

 

“Something that’s often lost in any conversation about Ben Hutton is that the praise directed his way by the so-called “advanced stats” community is always in relation to the rest of the Canucks’ defence. It’s not so much that Ben Hutton is a great defender, it’s that there’s no reason he should be the focus of so much negative attention when the rest of the Canucks defence has performed so poorly.”

 

Pretty much the same point I’ve been making for a while on Hutton. 

 

And here’s a look at his WOWYs (with and without):

 

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That Hutton-Gudbranson WOWY. :wacko: Yikes! I knew it was bad but yeesh, that’s just terrible. If Hutton is back next season, we need to keep those two guys as far away from each other as possible. At least for Hutton’s (and the team’s) sake (Guddy seems to get around the same results whether he’s with or without Hutton).

 

And Hutton definitely has some more encouraging numbers when you take Guddy out of the equation. Especially the Hutton-Tanev partnership in a top-4 role and also Hutton-Biega as the third pair. 

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On 2018-05-03 at 9:24 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Hutton’s “Canucks Army Year in Review”:

https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/03/canucks-army-year-in-review-ben-hutton-3/

 

You can pretty much sum up most of the article with the following quote and chart:

 

“Something that’s often lost in any conversation about Ben Hutton is that the praise directed his way by the so-called “advanced stats” community is always in relation to the rest of the Canucks’ defence. It’s not so much that Ben Hutton is a great defender, it’s that there’s no reason he should be the focus of so much negative attention when the rest of the Canucks defence has performed so poorly.”

 

Pretty much the same point I’ve been making for a while on Hutton. 

 

And here’s a look at his WOWYs (with and without):

 

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That Hutton-Gudbranson WOWY. :wacko: Yikes! I knew it was bad but yeesh, that’s just terrible. If Hutton is back next season, we need to keep those two guys as far away from each other as possible. At least for Hutton’s (and the team’s) sake (Guddy seems to get around the same results whether he’s with or without Hutton).

 

And Hutton definitely has some more encouraging numbers when you take Guddy out of the equation. Especially the Hutton-Tanev partnership in a top-4 role and also Hutton-Biega as the third pair. 

here's the percentage of time with each player from Dobber. The Biega pairing sample size is pretty small so that graph could literally be the result of one or two good possession games. I'm also hoping that Biega isn't a regular player next year to make a pairing that works with Hutton, that means something else had to give. 

 

The Guddy pairing if freaky bad. I guess they could try a Hutton-Tanev pairing more often but it sure looks like Chris is doing the heavy lifting. 

 

Freq Line Combination
26.4 HUTTON,BEN - TANEV,CHRISTOPHER
23.2 GUDBRANSON,ERIK - HUTTON,BEN
19 HUTTON,BEN - POULIOT,DERRICK
16.4 HUTTON,BEN - STECHER,TROY
9.6 BIEGA,ALEX - HUTTON,BEN
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On 2018-05-03 at 9:24 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Hutton’s “Canucks Army Year in Review”:

https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/03/canucks-army-year-in-review-ben-hutton-3/

 

You can pretty much sum up most of the article with the following quote and chart:

 

“Something that’s often lost in any conversation about Ben Hutton is that the praise directed his way by the so-called “advanced stats” community is always in relation to the rest of the Canucks’ defence. It’s not so much that Ben Hutton is a great defender, it’s that there’s no reason he should be the focus of so much negative attention when the rest of the Canucks defence has performed so poorly.”

 

Pretty much the same point I’ve been making for a while on Hutton. 

 

And here’s a look at his WOWYs (with and without):

 

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That Hutton-Gudbranson WOWY. :wacko: Yikes! I knew it was bad but yeesh, that’s just terrible. If Hutton is back next season, we need to keep those two guys as far away from each other as possible. At least for Hutton’s (and the team’s) sake (Guddy seems to get around the same results whether he’s with or without Hutton).

 

And Hutton definitely has some more encouraging numbers when you take Guddy out of the equation. Especially the Hutton-Tanev partnership in a top-4 role and also Hutton-Biega as the third pair. 

Do these numbers account for Dzone starts, PK minutes, and strength of competition?

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29 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Do these numbers account for Dzone starts, PK minutes, and strength of competition?

I’d assume they’re for raw (unadjusted) CF% at 5v5. 

 

That said, adjustments for zonestarts and QoC don’t tend to move the numbers all that much.

 

Other than really extreme deployment, and even then it tends to be only a few percentage points. Certainly not enough to account for a ten point swing.

 

And no, PK wouldn’t be included.

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