FrankieCorrado Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 So my proposal is exactly what the title says, it's straight up player for player. Why Tampa Bay does this: Killorn is an RFA. Tampa has a ton of players to resign over the next few years and not a whole lot of cap space to do it. Killorn is not their number one priority. They will get a proven top 9 defensive speedy winger who can score, but the selling point is his contract, he's a valuable player on a very good contract. Killorn will command more money then Hansen is already making. Hansen will keep them competitive and he leaves them some more cap space to resign all of their other players. Why Vancouver does this: We will get a 26 year old big grinding top nine forward who has proven he can score at least 40 points a season. He is versatile as he can play up and down the lineup and he can play C or LW, also we have the cap space to resign him. The Canucks get younger, bigger, tougher, and a little more offense, we also get some more centre depth incase Hank and/or Sutter go down again. It should also be mentioned that he excels in the playoffs. In the end both teams are getting players with similar value but they both bring different aspects to the table. I think this trade would be worth it for both teams. Side Note: I think Killorn is worth a tad more as a player, but his contact status brings his value back towards Hansens. So what do you all think? Is a Hansen for Killorn swap worth it for both teams, or should we stay away? Do any draft picks/prospects have to go either way? I really am not 100% sure at all, so I am curious to hear your thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Killorn had more points then Hansen and has hit 38+ every single year he has had 70+ games. You would have to add something I think Killorn needs more ice time in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieCorrado Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Killorn had more points then Hansen and has hit 38+ every single year he has had 70+ games. You would have to add something I think Killorn needs more ice time in my eyes. I agree but what would need to be added, a 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Grenier? I think you have to take in the fact that he is currently unsigned which hurts his value a touch (not alot however). And yeah Killorn still has lots of untapped potential, if he got more minutes he could really break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Killorn had more points then Hansen and has hit 38+ every single year he has had 70+ games. You would have to add something I think Killorn needs more ice time in my eyes. IMT.It's pretty solid considering the pending tight cap Yzerman must squeeze onto his swelling melon. These are the kinds of deals we should fish for. Just put on some flashy lures & drag these hooks behind the boat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Well we know Killorn can play a playoff-type game... does it all, similar to Hansen. This is as even as it gets, although with Tampa's cap maybe we can do some maneuvering and snag another upgrade since we are being so nice as to help Stevie Y with his future cap issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Actually like this proposal. We'd probably have to throw in something, knowing Benning next year's second, but it takes advantage of the Lightning's cap situation as well as Hansen's current value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 On most websites, it has listed Alex Killorn has a centerman. If he is comfortable playing on the left side, I like this deal from Canucks' perspective. We have a logjam on the right side, but not enough depth on the left side. Especially when are bringing in Rodin, unproven but another right winger that will likely make the team. On top of that we have Etem, Dorsett, Virtanen, Boeser (in a few years), and Grenier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieCorrado Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just now, -Vintage Canuck- said: On most websites, it has listed Alex Killorn has a centerman. If he is comfortable playing on the left side, I like this deal from Canucks' perspective. We have a logjam on the right side, but not enough depth on the left side. Especially when are bringing in Rodin, unproven but a right winger that will likely make the team. On top of that we have Etem, Dorsett, Virtanen, Boeser (in a few years), and Grenier. Although Killorn is technically a centreman he has played mostly on the left side in Tampa because of Stamkos, Johnson and Filppula. So I can only assume he is comfortable there. I feel like he would fit nicely beside Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Expand it, if we commit to helping their cap. VERY appealing detail for Yzerman(needing to sign the likes of Stammer, Kuch, Hedman, et al, over next couple summers) EG: Hansen, Vey & Sbisa(7 mill for 3 bodies). Killorn, Carle & Namestnikov(Carle is overpaid at 5.5, other 2 are RFA's) So it would take about 10~11 million $, to tie up these 3 skaters. The two fwds are 35~40 pt guys, & in that young, to mid-20's range. TBay, Wash, CBJ..there are a few teams that would likely part with some amount of talent/depth for cap-relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: IMT.It's pretty solid considering the pending tight cap Yzerman must squeeze onto his swelling melon. These are the kinds of deals we should fish for. Just put on some flashy lures & drag these hooks behind the boat... Fish for. Land fish? Problem is Killorn is first better. 2knd, young. 3rd RFA, which also stands for retainable free agent in my thinking. Yzerman has not panicked with Marty St Louis, Drouin, appears to be patient enough to sign Stamkos. Why would he panic now??? They have roughly $20 mill to sign Stamkos, Namestnikov, Killorn & Kucherov. Its tight, but with RFA rights which can be excercised on the younger guys > very possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 36 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Expand it, if we commit to helping their cap. VERY appealing detail for Yzerman(needing to sign the likes of Stammer, Kuch, Hedman, et al, over next couple summers) EG: Hansen, Vey & Sbisa(7 mill for 3 bodies). Killorn, Carle & Namestnikov(Carle is overpaid at 5.5, other 2 are RFA's) So it would take about 10~11 million $, to tie up these 3 skaters. The two fwds are 35~40 pt guys, & in that young, to mid-20's range. TBay, Wash, CBJ..there are a few teams that would likely part with some amount of talent/depth for cap-relief. Interesting, albeit somewhat lateral move... definitely can see the potential to steal talented young depth. Hansen and Linden aren't major downgrades to Alex and Vlad, and even Luca could have upside still (he is blunderful but when his head's on straight he does alright) while Carle's definitely overpaid, so there may be value to this swap. If we don't see a fit for Matt we could also trade him for another pick, if we want to go young on D. Moreover, agreed that Alex could have offensive upside, and Vlad can play a bigger role here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 19 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Interesting, albeit somewhat lateral move... definitely can see the potential to steal talented young depth. Hansen and Linden aren't major downgrades to Alex and Vlad, and even Luca could have upside still (he is blunderful but when his head's on straight he does alright) while Carle's definitely overpaid, so there may be value to this swap. If we don't see a fit for Matt we could also trade him for another pick, if we want to go young on D. Moreover, agreed that Alex could have offensive upside, and Vlad can play a bigger role here. I'd see Carle as a necc-evil..maybe then deal Edler(more youth/picks) & sign Hammy, reasonably. Guy like Carle is off the books in 2 seasons, but we get deeper & more skilled, up front. By then our young guys(Tree, Hutton) are ready on LH-D. We just need a mediocre bridge to get us to the place where our kids are ready. Then(say summer '18) we'll have so much cap space, we could shop for the best FA-talent, to blend with our emerging youth. These kinds of recycles help the team move on from earlier meh-moves(like the 2nd for Vey sort). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Almost reasonable. We would have to add. But I was reading in this forum a better trade with Hansen.....is him....for Edmonton's first rounder and Yakupov. Let's get that done instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, BCNeil said: Almost reasonable. We would have to add. But I was reading in this forum a better trade with Hansen.....is him....for Edmonton's first rounder and Yakupov. Let's get that done instead. Come on now we know that is nowhere close to what Hansen's value is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I like that a lot actually. There's a 3rd line LW spot open and that would also free up a roster spot for Rödin. Killorn - Sutter - Rödin Gaunce - Granlund - Dorsett/Etem Nice bottom six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Fish for. Land fish? Problem is Killorn is first better. 2knd, young. 3rd RFA, which also stands for retainable free agent in my thinking. Yzerman has not panicked with Marty St Louis, Drouin, appears to be patient enough to sign Stamkos. Why would he panic now??? They have roughly $20 mill to sign Stamkos, Namestnikov, Killorn & Kucherov. Its tight, but with RFA rights which can be excercised on the younger guys > very possible. Yea then they have to deal with giving Drouin a fat raise next year, Johnson, Palat, Hedman, Sustr, Bishop, and Vasilevsky... Boyle is all but gone next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Phil_314 said: Interesting, albeit somewhat lateral move... definitely can see the potential to steal talented young depth.Hansen and Linden aren't major downgrades to Alex and Vlad, and even Luca could have upside still (he is blunderful but when his head's on straight he does alright) while Carle's definitely overpaid, so there may be value to this swap. If we don't see a fit for Matt we could also trade him for another pick, if we want to go young on D. Moreover, agreed that Alex could have offensive upside, and Vlad can play a bigger role here. Namestikov scored 14 goals in limited ice time, and ended up a +17. That's on a team that had trouble scoring for much of the year. Whereas Vey went -14 in 41 games, and every team in the league passed on him for free. Hansen and Killorn aren't as far apart, but Killorn has proven to be an absolute beast in the playoffs for two years in a row. And since his regular season numbers aren't quite as strong, he shouldn't be that expensive to re-sign. If you want to build a perennial contender, that's a player you don't let go. Yzerman is smart enough to make him a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, D-Money said: Hansen and Killorn aren't as far apart, but Killorn has proven to be an absolute beast in the playoffs for two years in a row. And since his regular season numbers aren't quite as strong, he shouldn't be that expensive to re-sign. If you want to build a perennial contender, that's a player you don't let go. Yzerman is smart enough to make him a priority. This, exactly. I'd make this trade all day long, but Stevie Y wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 52 minutes ago, kloubek said: This, exactly. I'd make this trade all day long, but Stevie Y wouldn't. But we want to trade Hansen. That means that this trade should go through, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Monty said: But we want to trade Hansen. That means that this trade should go through, right? ...if only we still had Ballard.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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