Provost Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I think this guy is going to be the real deal and the biggest superstar to come out of this year's draft. What would it take to pry him out of Winnipeg? A lot and it would hurt, but in the end you make your team by having the best players available at the top end of the roster. The type of cost to have Winnipeg even consider: To Van 2nd overall a later pick (the 22nd overall or 36th overall preferrably) We might have to take on one of their bad value contracts like Stafford to get that) To Winnipeg 5th overall Horvat Hansen Would you do it? Would it be close to enough for Winnipeg to consider? They might not need Horvat that badly, but they could easily flip him for other assets they do need. The Laine storyline is really selling there so they may not be able to move him even for a decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Winnipeg isn't trading it. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieCorrado Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 It is actually the most realistic "trading into the top three" thread I've seen but Vancouver won't do it and neither will Winnipeg. It seems fair enough I just don't think it's worth it for either side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Monty said: Winnipeg isn't trading it. /thread Anyone is tradeable. it is simply a matter of price and what you are willing to pay or overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Impossible, Winnipeg would never trade that pick, not even for Crosby. It will NOT happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Monty said: Winnipeg isn't trading it. /thread This He is their next Finnish Flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, FrankieCorrado said: It is actually the most realistic "trading into the top three" thread I've seen but Vancouver won't do it and neither will Winnipeg. It seems fair enough I just don't think it's worth it for either side No, no it doesn't. And I'll explain very, very easily. So here's the proposal. 1 hour ago, Provost said: To Van 2nd overall a later pick (the 22nd overall or 36th overall preferrably) We might have to take on one of their bad value contracts like Stafford to get that) To Winnipeg 5th overall Horvat Hansen As of right now, the biggest hole in the Jets lineup is a #2 RW after Blake Wheeler. Laine fits that perfectly. However, let's assume this ridiculous trade were to happen. 1. Jets don't draft a RW now, they draft a LW in either Tkachuk or Dubois. So then the Jets have Ehlers, Connor, Perreault, Petan, Lemieux, and either Tkachuk or Dubois along the left side. 2. He's suggesting that, possibly, the Jets include a "bad" contract in Drew Stafford. Who, if the Jets draft Laine, would be penciled in as a 3rd line RW, which is where he would shine alongside Perreault and Lowry. So then, the Jets would have Wheeler as a #1 RW, followed by who exactly as #2 and #3... 4. Oh yeah, #2 and #3 would be Hansen, Burmistrov and Thorburn. I'm sure Winnipeg would far rather have Wheeler, Hansen, Burmistrov, and Thorburn as RWers over Wheeler, Laine, Stafford, and Burmistrov/Thorburn. 5. Horvat. Not a bad player at all, but just doesn't make sense. 6. This is the forward group that would come out of the trade for the Jets, should this take place. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Hansen Perreault - Horvat - Burmistrov Petan/Lemieux/Dano/Tkachuk/Dubois - Lowry - Thorburn Versus. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Laine Perreault - Lowry - Stafford Petan/Dano/Lemieux - Copp - Thorburn Seriously, that trade makes zero sense for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: Impossible, Winnipeg would never trade that pick, not even for Crosby. It will NOT happen. Well I don't know about that... Regardless, nobody in the Top 3 is trading their pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, Provost said: Anyone is tradeable. it is simply a matter of price and what you are willing to pay or overpay. OK. Let's finish this for once and for all. To entice Chevy who has literally 0 need for anything we might have just to move up 3 spots try this on for size, and @Monty please let me know if I missed anything out 2016 and 2017 1st round pick, Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen or Brock Boeser, Chris Tanev or Benjamin Hutton and a 2017 2nd round pick. Minimum. Why? Because they have literally zero needs for what we might offer them and Laine represents the literal final piece of their puzzle in what is the most complete, youngest and literally deepest skilled group of young players and prospects in the league Now. Still want Laine? And before you go telling me I am nuts, remember @Monty is a Jets fan and if ir ecall lives there and knows that org probably better than we do the canucks. So, still want to overpay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieCorrado Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 22 minutes ago, Monty said: No, no it doesn't. And I'll explain very, very easily. So here's the proposal. As of right now, the biggest hole in the Jets lineup is a #2 RW after Blake Wheeler. Laine fits that perfectly. However, let's assume this ridiculous trade were to happen. 1. Jets don't draft a RW now, they draft a LW in either Tkachuk or Dubois. So then the Jets have Ehlers, Connor, Perreault, Petan, Lemieux, and either Tkachuk or Dubois along the left side. 2. He's suggesting that, possibly, the Jets include a "bad" contract in Drew Stafford. Who, if the Jets draft Laine, would be penciled in as a 3rd line RW, which is where he would shine alongside Perreault and Lowry. So then, the Jets would have Wheeler as a #1 RW, followed by who exactly as #2 and #3... 4. Oh yeah, #2 and #3 would be Hansen, Burmistrov and Thorburn. I'm sure Winnipeg would far rather have Wheeler, Hansen, Burmistrov, and Thorburn as RWers over Wheeler, Laine, Stafford, and Burmistrov/Thorburn. 5. Horvat. Not a bad player at all, but just doesn't make sense. 6. This is the forward group that would come out of the trade for the Jets, should this take place. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Hansen Perreault - Lowry - Burmistrov Petan/Lemieux/Dano/Tkachuk/Dubois - Copp - Thorburn Versus. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Laine Perreault - Lowry - Stafford Petan/Dano/Lemieux - Copp - Thorburn Seriously, that trade makes zero sense for the Jets. I don't disagree with you, that is why I said it wouldn't happen, I said the value was fair. I get that the trade doesn't make sense but it is better than the Edler and the 5th overall for a top 3 pick offers, which is something I've seen far too often. At least the op realizes that we would have to include something like Horvat. So I'll say it again, even though I didn't think I would have to. Value wise it's a good trade, but Vancouver won't do it and neither will Winnipeg, it doesn't make sense for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 The only way we would ever have drafted him, is if we pulled the 2nd card. No lotto, no Laine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, Monty said: No, no it doesn't. And I'll explain very, very easily. So here's the proposal. As of right now, the biggest hole in the Jets lineup is a #2 RW after Blake Wheeler. Laine fits that perfectly. However, let's assume this ridiculous trade were to happen. 1. Jets don't draft a RW now, they draft a LW in either Tkachuk or Dubois. So then the Jets have Ehlers, Connor, Perreault, Petan, Lemieux, and either Tkachuk or Dubois along the left side. 2. He's suggesting that, possibly, the Jets include a "bad" contract in Drew Stafford. Who, if the Jets draft Laine, would be penciled in as a 3rd line RW, which is where he would shine alongside Perreault and Lowry. So then, the Jets would have Wheeler as a #1 RW, followed by who exactly as #2 and #3... 4. Oh yeah, #2 and #3 would be Hansen, Burmistrov and Thorburn. I'm sure Winnipeg would far rather have Wheeler, Hansen, Burmistrov, and Thorburn as RWers over Wheeler, Laine, Stafford, and Burmistrov/Thorburn. 5. Horvat. Not a bad player at all, but just doesn't make sense. 6. This is the forward group that would come out of the trade for the Jets, should this take place. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Hansen Perreault - Lowry - Burmistrov Petan/Lemieux/Dano/Tkachuk/Dubois - Copp - Thorburn Versus. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Laine Perreault - Lowry - Stafford Petan/Dano/Lemieux - Copp - Thorburn Seriously, that trade makes zero sense for the Jets. You forgot to add Horvat to your lineup I agree with you though, Jets don't need another center unless it is a vast upgrade over Scheifele and/or Little. I also feel that Lowry improved last year and is primed to take that 3rd line center spot barring any free agent signings. If the Jets wanted Hansen (which would be a nice, but a tight squeeze in the lineup), they'd trade just for him, not involving top draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I do not think benning is willing to give up to much more to keep this team in a competitive play.Giving up that would leave us so weak to get a guy who i believe will be a star but a rounded out team will beat a team with one star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Provost said: I think this guy is going to be the real deal and the biggest superstar to come out of this year's draft. What would it take to pry him out of Winnipeg? A lot and it would hurt, but in the end you make your team by having the best players available at the top end of the roster. The type of cost to have Winnipeg even consider: To Van 2nd overall a later pick (the 22nd overall or 36th overall preferrably) We might have to take on one of their bad value contracts like Stafford to get that) To Winnipeg 5th overall Horvat Hansen Would you do it? Would it be close to enough for Winnipeg to consider? They might not need Horvat that badly, but they could easily flip him for other assets they do need. The Laine storyline is really selling there so they may not be able to move him even for a decent return. I would LOVE to get to #2, but I really don't see that happening. If Laine were to come out and say that he really doesn't want to be in Winnipeg (don't see that happening), then maybe they would consider swapping with Columbus for the right price, but I don't see any of the lottery winners trading out of the top 3 spots altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Monty said: No, no it doesn't. And I'll explain very, very easily. So here's the proposal. As of right now, the biggest hole in the Jets lineup is a #2 RW after Blake Wheeler. Laine fits that perfectly. However, let's assume this ridiculous trade were to happen. 1. Jets don't draft a RW now, they draft a LW in either Tkachuk or Dubois. So then the Jets have Ehlers, Connor, Perreault, Petan, Lemieux, and either Tkachuk or Dubois along the left side. 2. He's suggesting that, possibly, the Jets include a "bad" contract in Drew Stafford. Who, if the Jets draft Laine, would be penciled in as a 3rd line RW, which is where he would shine alongside Perreault and Lowry. So then, the Jets would have Wheeler as a #1 RW, followed by who exactly as #2 and #3... 4. Oh yeah, #2 and #3 would be Hansen, Burmistrov and Thorburn. I'm sure Winnipeg would far rather have Wheeler, Hansen, Burmistrov, and Thorburn as RWers over Wheeler, Laine, Stafford, and Burmistrov/Thorburn. 5. Horvat. Not a bad player at all, but just doesn't make sense. 6. This is the forward group that would come out of the trade for the Jets, should this take place. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Hansen Perreault - Horvat - Burmistrov Petan/Lemieux/Dano/Tkachuk/Dubois - Lowry - Thorburn Versus. Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler Connor - Little - Laine Perreault - Lowry - Stafford Petan/Dano/Lemieux - Copp - Thorburn Seriously, that trade makes zero sense for the Jets. Well adding in Horvat or the asset you swap for Horvat, the lineup changes. As does freeing up almost $2 million for a budget team. You also add Tkachuk or Dubois for down the pipeline which is a considering going forward. Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler Conner-Little-(Return for Horvat) Perrault-Lowry-Hansen Petan-Copp-Thorburn Or if you end up keeping Horvat, and moving Little to the RW which is a position he had his career high in goals. I am not saying the trade is at all likely to happen, but the lineups aren't quite as starkly different as you suggest as you omitted the actual key piece coming back. As was posted before, the Jets can make an entire ticket and marketing campaign around Laine and that is very valuable. The management would not only have to know it is a slam dunk hockey trade, but also that they can explain it to the fanbase. If something were the change that (like him saying he hated snow, cold, wind, and perogies), then reality shifts somewhat. This is a discussion board, virtually every move or trade discussed likely isn't going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Provost said: Would you do it? Not that this proposal is that lop-sided, but I wouldn't do it. Laine is a question mark, a question mark with a LOT of potential, but a question mark nevertheless. Horvat is a guaranteed, quality NHL level player who's done nothing but improve since he's got here. IMO, in many other draft years BoHo would probably have had a shot of being close to the top 5 never mind the top 10 where he was taken. Selling the 'farm' so to speak to get the best top-end guys on the 1st line doesn't guarantee much except that you'll likely not have much money left to have any depth anywhere else imo. BoHo + whomever we get with #5 is better than just Laine IMO. Like I said, not a ridiculous proposal by any stretch in comparison to what is often spewed out in this section (not by you but you know what I mean) - but I still would be hesitant to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 38 minutes ago, Provost said: Well adding in Horvat or the asset you swap for Horvat, the lineup changes. As does freeing up almost $2 million for a budget team... Jets aren't a budget team - at least, not in a strict sense. They just haven't bothered spending as much, because they have been building a team that can contend for the next 5+ years. Now that the goalie is ready, and Laine is coming on board, they are ready to kick some a$$. The trade doesn't make a lick of sense. You'd have more luck landing #1, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Like I said, not a ridiculous proposal by any stretch in comparison to what is often spewed out in this section (not by you but you know what I mean) - but I still would be hesitant to do this. You mean Hansen isn't worth a 1st rounder this year and Edler isn't worth Bowey straight across like many people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Hockey wise that trade proposal might make sense. But Laine has that possible superstar factor that Hansen definitely will never have and Horvat will almost certainly never have. A Rocket Richard winner down the line. He could be one of the top goal scorers in the league for several years. I think Winnipeg will take the risk. It would take a substantial overpayment to get him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, D-Money said: Jets aren't a budget team - at least, not in a strict sense. They just haven't bothered spending as much, because they have been building a team that can contend for the next 5+ years. Now that the goalie is ready, and Laine is coming on board, they are ready to kick some a$$. The trade doesn't make a lick of sense. You'd have more luck landing #1, honestly. So much this. I've quoted it numerous times over the past month, but Chipman and Chevy came out at the end of the season and said they haven't spent to the cap because their team wasn't near contending. They wanted to save the money to re-sign/extend core pieces for when they were ready, and then blow their load in trades and then free agency (least desirable way to touch up roster). As Chevy said in an interview with TSN1290 with Chipman next to him, "Been given green light to spend to cap when we feel the team warrants it. But I don't believe we should spend money to the cap when it doesn't make sense. You're only fooling yourself and setting your franchise back by doing this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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