By sea and land Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 To Van C Sam Reinhart To Buf #5 overall 2016 Hansen 3rd round pick 2016 3rd round pick 2017 Would Buffalo entertain this? Eichel although young looks like a future #1 Center. O'Reilly is a good #2. Gives Bufffalo lots of options as they'd own the #5 and #8 picks this year. They could get a great forward AND Dman here. Yes they lose Reinhart but they could select Tkachuk OR Dubois plus perhaps the top Dman. They also add a versatile player in Hansen and two 3rd rounders. Some might think this is too much for Canucks to give up but personally I doubt it's enough. Maybe we'd have to include a Dman and retain obe of our 3rd rounders instead. Would Buffalo even listen? Would you like a deal like this IF Benning could pull it off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Buffalo laughs and hangs up. Reinhart will get over 80 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, By sea and land said: To Van C Sam Reinhart To Buf #5 overall 2016 Hansen 3rd round pick 2016 3rd round pick 2017 Would Buffalo entertain this? Eichel although young looks like a future #1 Center. O'Reilly is a good #2. Gives Bufffalo lots of options as they'd own the #5 and #8 picks this year. They could get a great forward AND Dman here. Yes they lose Reinhart but they could select Tkachuk OR Dubois plus perhaps the top Dman. They also add a versatile player in Hansen and two 3rd rounders. Some might think this is too much for Canucks to give up but personally I doubt it's enough. Maybe we'd have to include a Dman and retain obe of our 3rd rounders instead. Would Buffalo even listen? Would you like a deal like this IF Benning could pull it off? It's nice outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 38 minutes ago, By sea and land said: To Van C Sam Reinhart To Buf #5 overall 2016 Hansen 3rd round pick 2016 3rd round pick 2017 Would Buffalo entertain this? Eichel although young looks like a future #1 Center. O'Reilly is a good #2. Gives Bufffalo lots of options as they'd own the #5 and #8 picks this year. They could get a great forward AND Dman here. Yes they lose Reinhart but they could select Tkachuk OR Dubois plus perhaps the top Dman. They also add a versatile player in Hansen and two 3rd rounders. Some might think this is too much for Canucks to give up but personally I doubt it's enough. Maybe we'd have to include a Dman and retain obe of our 3rd rounders instead. Would Buffalo even listen? Would you like a deal like this IF Benning could pull it off? The player we will get at five will BE A LOT BETTER than Sam R. JB would NEVER do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: The player we will get at five will BE A LOT BETTER than Sam R. JB would NEVER do this. I'm willing to bet you he won't. Sam is a special talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 52 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: I'm willing to bet you he won't. Sam is a special talent. Sam is a nice player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoBoGo53 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Alflives said: The player we will get at five will BE A LOT BETTER than Sam R. JB would NEVER do this. you are seriously underrating Sam Reinhart. He will be an elite forward very soon. One of the smartest players in the NHL already. Buffalo laughs and blocks our number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, GoBoGo53 said: you are seriously underrating Sam Reinhart. He will be an elite forward very soon. One of the smartest players in the NHL already. Buffalo laughs and blocks our number. We could express our opinions on the relative value of Sam R. Back and forth like Nadal and Federer playing tennis. I'm okay with your opinion. Mines A LOT different. The league is now SUPER FAST. Sam is SUPER SLOW. he's a nice complimentary piece, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: The player we will get at five will BE A LOT BETTER than Sam R. No one at #5 in this year's draft is going to even come close to SR. Sam will be a an elite offensive point-per-game (perhaps even better than that) type player within two years imo. Buffalo doesn't move this kid, people can stop the ridiculousness already thinking they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 17 minutes ago, Fanuck said: No one at #5 in this year's draft is going to even come close to SR. Sam will be a an elite offensive point-per-game (perhaps even better than that) type player within two years imo. Buffalo doesn't move this kid, people can stop the ridiculousness already thinking they would. Don't worry. I'm certain JB doesn't want him. The rumor at the draft, was that JB was trying to trade up to get Sam Bennet, who (in my opinion) has a much higher ceiling than Sam R. And I hate the Flames, and don't mind the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: Don't worry. I'm certain JB doesn't want him. The rumor at the draft, was that JB was trying to trade up to get Sam Bennet, who (in my opinion) has a much higher ceiling than Sam R. And I hate the Flames, and don't mind the Sabres. I could be wrong, but I think the rumour was that he was trying to get #2 to get Reinhart, and he might have even taken him #1. Either way the #5, Hansen (worth a second imo), and 3rd rounders has to be getting close to fair for Sam Reinhart. He has 23 goals and 42 points in 79 games. His first season. I would love him in a Canucks jersey. Instant replacement for H Sedin. Buffalo could use a big gritty winger at #5 to play with Eichel. In the meantime, Hansen could play with Eichel until Dubuois/Tkachuck are ready for the role. or to Buffalo #5, Edler, Hansen, Granlund, two 3rds to Vancouver #9 (Sergachev/Jost), Reinhart, Gorges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said: I could be wrong, but I think the rumour was that he was trying to get #2 to get Reinhart, and he might have even taken him #1. Either way the #5, Hansen (worth a second imo), and 3rd rounders has to be getting close to fair for Sam Reinhart. He has 23 goals and 42 points in 79 games. His first season. I would love him in a Canucks jersey. Instant replacement for H Sedin. Buffalo could use a big gritty winger at #5 to play with Eichel. In the meantime, Hansen could play with Eichel until Dubuois/Tkachuck are ready for the role. or to Buffalo #5, Edler, Hansen, Granlund, two 3rds to Vancouver #9 (Sergachev/Jost), Reinhart, Gorges Okay, that looks more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 we do not want or need him so why bother????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Totally agree. Why would anyone want a 20 year old 23 goal scorer, from North Vancouver that projects to be a #1c with extremely high hockey IQ? There are tonnes of potential #1 centers in our prospect pool, we should concentrate on goaltenders and right wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Whether the package is worth Sam Reinhart or not is pointless. Buffalo is past the step of collecting draft picks and stocking the prospect pool in their rebuilding. Regardless of value, the reason why Buffalo declines is...with Reinhart and Eichel's first year under their belt, Buffalo is looking to build on that, not waste another year or 2 of developing that #5 overall. Plus they don't really need another forward with O'Reilly and Kane in their top 6. With that 8th overall pretty sure they will aim for a defenseman. Buffalo wants to build on these two to grow together like Kane and Toews did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 9 hours ago, timberz21 said: Whether the package is worth Sam Reinhart or not is pointless. Buffalo is past the step of collecting draft picks and stocking the prospect pool in their rebuilding. Regardless of value, the reason why Buffalo declines is...with Reinhart and Eichel's first year under their belt, Buffalo is looking to build on that, not waste another year or 2 of developing that #5 overall. Plus they don't really need another forward with O'Reilly and Kane in their top 6. With that 8th overall pretty sure they will aim for a defenseman. Buffalo wants to build on these two to grow together like Kane and Toews did. The foreseeable problem in Buffalo is O'Reilly's $7.5mill cap hit until 2023. You don't pay anyone $7.5mill with a NMC to play 3rd line center. Eichel Reinhart O'Reilly This will be a problem in the future. Taking Hansen immediately negates the loss of Reinhart's 23 goals. The #5 get them their stud winger to play with Eichel next year while Hansen fills in. Their #8 gets them their left shot dman to eventually pair with Ristolainen. 2017-18 Dubois-Eichel-Hansen Kane-O'Reilly-Moulsen Foligno-Girgensons-Ennis Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev-Ristolainen (jealous) The trade because of Hansen prevents this from being a step backwards in 2016-17, and much more balanced going forward, plus gives them 2 solid PP lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawksFan94 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Cowichan Canuck said: The foreseeable problem in Buffalo is O'Reilly's $7.5mill cap hit until 2023. You don't pay anyone $7.5mill with a NMC to play 3rd line center. Eichel Reinhart O'Reilly This will be a problem in the future. Taking Hansen immediately negates the loss of Reinhart's 23 goals. The #5 get them their stud winger to play with Eichel next year while Hansen fills in. Their #8 gets them their left shot dman to eventually pair with Ristolainen. 2017-18 Dubois-Eichel-Hansen Kane-O'Reilly-Moulsen Foligno-Girgensons-Ennis Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev-Ristolainen (jealous) The trade because of Hansen prevents this from being a step backwards in 2016-17, and much more balanced going forward, plus gives them 2 solid PP lines. Except he can also play LW and was probably their best forward last season. This hurts the Sabres more than it benefits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowichan Canuck Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Any center CAN play wing, doesn't mean that is where their bread and butter is. Reinhart is not the fastest, grittiest player and the only reason that he would play wing is because they have both Eichel and O'Reilly. Reinhart has the mental wiring of a playmaking, high IQ center. You honestly think: Reinhart-Eichel is better than: Dubois/Tkachuk-Eichel-Hansen and 2 3rd rounders? I don't, if i'm a Buffalo fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 12 hours ago, Cowichan Canuck said: The foreseeable problem in Buffalo is O'Reilly's $7.5mill cap hit until 2023. You don't pay anyone $7.5mill with a NMC to play 3rd line center. Eichel Reinhart O'Reilly This will be a problem in the future. Taking Hansen immediately negates the loss of Reinhart's 23 goals. The #5 get them their stud winger to play with Eichel next year while Hansen fills in. Their #8 gets them their left shot dman to eventually pair with Ristolainen. 2017-18 Dubois-Eichel-Hansen Kane-O'Reilly-Moulsen Foligno-Girgensons-Ennis Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev-Ristolainen (jealous) The trade because of Hansen prevents this from being a step backwards in 2016-17, and much more balanced going forward, plus gives them 2 solid PP lines. A problem every team wish they had. Dubois is far from being a 1st line lock and by the time he's developed, Hansen will be playing like the actual Burrows. The proposal reminds me of when the Pens traded Staal. They thought they had a slam dunk with Sutter and 8th overall. Well, Pouliot is still not an NHLer and Sutter is gone, the same could happen to Dubois and Hansen. Buffalo would be better to wait until Reinhart and Eichel's ELC is done and see where they are in term of cap space. If they wait, they will be able to trade Reinhart for a potential Jones/Johansen type of deal, or a Jones-like winger (depending on their need at that time). That would be a much better deal for Buffalo than risking it on a pick, when they know they have a stud in Reinhart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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