Ossi Vaananen Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 First off let me say I'm a JB supporter, though he's decidedly terrible at understanding the CBA and fired a guy who does (Gilman). This is evidenced the inability to place injured Higgins on LTIR, waiving Corrado instead. He then publicly attempted to sign Tryamkin to a standard 3 year ELC, only to have the contract rejected, as import players can only have a 2 year ELC. Now, the Canucks face cap overage despite having half the roster injured, seemingly with no applied cap relief. To clarify though, this overage is from bonuses applied to our young players reaching marks in games played, ice time, and production. I still scratch my head as to how this was even possible as we were no where near the cap limit if you factor in injuries. The article: http://canucksarmy.com/2016/6/6/canucks-face-315-000-bonus-cap-hit-carryover-for-2016-17 As the article says, it's not a significant amount. Though it begs the question as to how in years prior we never came close to overage while still paying to the cap. Simply put, I think the Canucks NEED a numbers guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 micro-whiners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond NHL Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I am amazed that people seem to think these guys are idiots. There is a whole team and not just JB there. LTIR only kicks in when you are OVER the cap with replacement players... we weren't so couldn't get full relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I agree that benning needs a guy even Linden to crunch the numbers so they always know exactly what they have in room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The Canucks just aren't 'progressive' or analytical enough. Gotsda hire a trollgeek army to save this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 It is a little baffling that they let Gilman go..arguably the best numbers guy in the league..the NHL thinks so and hired him...to bring in that idiot Weisbrod. To me...this is one of the worst moves this management team has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 40 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: First off let me say I'm a JB supporter, though he's decidedly terrible at understanding the CBA and fired a guy who does (Gilman). This is evidenced the inability to place injured Higgins on LTIR, waiving Corrado instead. He then publicly attempted to sign Tryamkin to a standard 3 year ELC, only to have the contract rejected, as import players can only have a 2 year ELC. Now, the Canucks face cap overage despite having half the roster injured, seemingly with no applied cap relief. To clarify though, this overage is from bonuses applied to our young players reaching marks in games played, ice time, and production. I still scratch my head as to how this was even possible as we were no where near the cap limit if you factor in injuries. The article: http://canucksarmy.com/2016/6/6/canucks-face-315-000-bonus-cap-hit-carryover-for-2016-17 As the article says, it's not a significant amount. Though it begs the question as to how in years prior we never came close to overage while still paying to the cap. Simply put, I think the Canucks NEED a numbers guy. You know this is because our young guys hit their bonuses, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Cap space = 13.3 millionish (not including the 5% cap factor than in all likelihood wil be implemented by the PA). RFAs of note: Baertschi, Etem, Pedan. Very large amount of available cap surplus to use as they see fit. Consequences of 300k of cap next season = not worth the wasted time smarmyarmy has already spent dwelling on it. Irony of looking forward....next season: Burrows, Higgins, Miller expiring = 13 million (+cap factor).... Bo, Gud, Hutton, Tryamkin, Markstrom raises taken care of. Nothing to see here. #whocares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Meh. It's the price you pay for having such a successful season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Gotta agree with OP on this one. It may not be much money, but it is part of a worrying continuum of minor screw-ups that needs to be addressed before we make a big one. "Nothing to see" = head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wash Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 If I understand this correctly, the laundry list at the start of the post had no bearing on the overage bonus - it is tied to the fact that some of our younger guys but bonuses that would be applied to the following season's cap regardless of this year's cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: You know this is because our young guys hit their bonuses, right? Yes, I said so in the post. You tell me how it's defensible to lose cap space next year but not anticipating our own contracts this year. Or as I put it, to use the cap space available from LTIR, which should have freed up a tonne of capspace as we didn't add any major cap by seasons end. It's poor balancing, poor business management and should be disconcerting to even the average fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, Wash said: If I. Understand this correctly, the laundry list at the start of the post had no bearing on the overage bonus - it is tied to the fact that some of our younger guys but bonuses that would be applied to the following season's cap regardless of this year's cap situation. You can apply the bonuses to any remaining buffer cap space you have in the current year. We didn't have enough space for all the bonuses so got a little bit of it carried forward. The LTIR part is wrong though... you can't claim LTIR cap relief unless the replacement puts you over the cap. Just because we had injured players, it doesn't mean we were entitled to LTIR cap relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Yes, I said so in the post. You tell me how it's defensible to lose cap space next year but not anticipating our own contracts this year. Or as I put it, to use the cap space available from LTIR, which should have freed up a tonne of capspace as we didn't add any major cap by seasons end. It's poor balancing, poor business management and should be disconcerting to even the average fan. Unfortunately the average fan doesn't understand the intricacies of the CBA so it makes them assume that management must have just screwed up. I'm sure they were well aware of the overages they would have this season. When you have the highest man games lost in the league and are being forced to use your 13th defenseman on the depth chart, your options for managing the cap are kind of limited. Besides, this money came from bonuses that our young players earned, so the whole argument is ridiculous. You can't praise management on one hand for giving young players more opportunity, and then complain when they earn bonuses because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not 100% sure on this, but don't teams have to choose whether or not bonuses apply for the current year or the next at the very beginning of the season? So, it wouldn't be something they could change part way through a year if cap space opened up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 So much criticism leveled at our franchise. From league & media, both. Examples like the "Luongo rule", where many teams were pulling the same front-load game. Get Burkey to come up with that tripe。 Didn't hear that much media-angst over the horrible contracts the Leafs handed out(then would buy out, or dump). Or you see contracts like Pronger's sent to the desert. What's he do there..work at the hot dog kiosk? Remember back when Chicago had their initial wave of cap-grief? Gawdsakes..they sent some contract to F*ckingFRANCE! Then Talon(who mailed shyte the wrong way), ostensibly loses his job, & moves to the sunbelt, where he kindly takes on the Campbell-albatross. Would Van EVER get so many mulligans. There's a nasty little lawyer, from a nation of lawyers destroying what used to be a great league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedinMadness Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 58 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: First off let me say I'm a JB supporter, though he's decidedly terrible at understanding the CBA and fired a guy who does (Gilman). This is evidenced the inability to place injured Higgins on LTIR, waiving Corrado instead. He then publicly attempted to sign Tryamkin to a standard 3 year ELC, only to have the contract rejected, as import players can only have a 2 year ELC. Now, the Canucks face cap overage despite having half the roster injured, seemingly with no applied cap relief. To clarify though, this overage is from bonuses applied to our young players reaching marks in games played, ice time, and production. I still scratch my head as to how this was even possible as we were no where near the cap limit if you factor in injuries. The article: http://canucksarmy.com/2016/6/6/canucks-face-315-000-bonus-cap-hit-carryover-for-2016-17 As the article says, it's not a significant amount. Though it begs the question as to how in years prior we never came close to overage while still paying to the cap. Simply put, I think the Canucks NEED a numbers guy. i thought we had a numbers guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Ossi, by adding your own commentary to Ryan Biech's article, that the management somehow screwed up, you are showing your bias in a belief that the group is cap incompetent. Are you 100% sure you checked your facts before deciding so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 hour ago, oldnews said: The Canucks just aren't 'progressive' or analytical enough. Gotsda hire a trollgeek army to save this team. Except the article writer never made that assumption. It was a good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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