CBJ/Van #3 OA(Proposal/Discussion)

[Nuxfanabroad]

I'd appreciate input/contributions on this concept. Rough idea..but come one & all, if you think you can package this up beautifully.

 

In short, I'd say the BJ's are in a tight jam. Their collection is like 4th highest(league-wide) towards next season's team salary.

 

Already about 66.5 mill/19 bodies. They've gotta' load of guys with NMC's. They WON'T be able to protect their young talent, when the Exp draft rolls in( NMC fwds: Dubinsky, Foligno, CLARKSON, Hartnell, Tyutin on D). That's a lame-a$$ list to protect, when younger names include the likes of Seth Jones, Wennberg, Atkinson, Boone Jenner, Saad, etc...

 

I bet they're desperate to dump some NMC skaters. To a point that they might accept a lopsided deal. If so..could be a prime target for us. We're a good destination to match this need. We have the ample cap room, & a beautiful enough city, the NMC guys might accept moving on from Ohio-hickville.

 

Another salient point. Hearing rumours they might be very into a Logan Brown type(replacing Ry Johansen). It's more reasonable for their mgt to target him with our #5 selection, prob can't justify it with a higher pick.

 

**Example Deal**

 

Van sends: Burrows, Cassels, our #5 OA pick. (Burrows would be off their books at season's-end)..what other + would we need to toss in here?

CBJ: Their #3OA pick, Hartnell (4.75 mill/3 more yrs, he's 34 yrs old with a NMC)

 

Suggesting we don't have the depth to worry about needing to protect an aging skater like Hartnell. Such a scenario hurts a team like CBJ, with having more younger, skilled fwds requiring protection.

 

Is it THAT tilted for us? Dumping Hartnell allows them to protect 1 more of their young stars, at season-end.

 

Another idea is we send Sbisa & take back Tyutin(NMC, 2 more yrs at 4.5 mill). A Russian, to fit in with a couple of our other D. In this situation, I'd first like to deal Edler for picks, before this deal goes through.

 

*Importantly, I trust/hope no one will suggest taking on Clarkson. Four more yrs at 5.25 mill, seems impossible for CBJ to move.

[timberz21]

There is many more efficient way to dump a NMC player than to drop down from #3 to #5 when the top 3 was labeled "guaranteed all-star".

 

Still a lot of time before expansion draft to prepare.  I'm expecting Trade Deadline 2017 to be very busy for that reason, teams will use trade deadline to setup their team for expansion draft.

[Lonny_Bohonos_14]

8 minutes ago, timberz21 said:

There is many more efficient way to dump a NMC player than to drop down from #3 to #5 when the top 3 was labeled "guaranteed all-star".

Unless CBJ doesn't think Puljujärvi is a "guaranteed all-star". Maybe the knee surgery puts a little doubt in the back of their mind. Maybe they like Dubois or Tkachuk. 

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but IF CBJ thought they'd be better off with someone at #5 and dumping a NTC/NMC, why not do it?

[timberz21]

1 minute ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said:

Unless CBJ doesn't think Puljujärvi is a "guaranteed all-star". Maybe the knee surgery puts a little doubt in the back of their mind. Maybe they like Dubois or Tkachuk. 

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but IF CBJ thought they'd be better off with someone at #5 and dumping a NTC/NMC, why not do it?

If they like Dubois or Tkachuk, still a big risk because they don't know who the Oilers will pick.  Therefore not guaranteed getting "their" player.

 

 

[Drakrami]

your example deal rips CBJ off so badly, im rolling on the floor laughing. 

 

Hartnell 23 goals, 49 points last season, you know? 

[Alflives]

4 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

I'd appreciate input/contributions on this concept. Rough idea..but come one & all, if you think you can package this up beautifully.

 

In short, I'd say the BJ's are in a tight jam. Their collection is like 4th highest(league-wide) towards next season's team salary.

 

Already about 66.5 mill/19 bodies. They've gotta' load of guys with NMC's. They WON'T be able to protect their young talent, when the Exp draft rolls in( NMC fwds: Dubinsky, Foligno, CLARKSON, Hartnell, Tyutin on D). That's a lame-a$$ list to protect, when younger names include the likes of Seth Jones, Wennberg, Atkinson, Boone Jenner, Saad, etc...

 

I bet they're desperate to dump some NMC skaters. To a point that they might accept a lopsided deal. If so..could be a prime target for us. We're a good destination to match this need. We have the ample cap room, & a beautiful enough city, the NMC guys might accept moving on from Ohio-hickville.

 

Another salient point. Hearing rumours they might be very into a Logan Brown type(replacing Ry Johansen). It's more reasonable for their mgt to target him with our #5 selection, prob can't justify it with a higher pick.

 

**Example Deal**

 

Van sends: Burrows, Cassels, our #5 OA pick. (Burrows would be off their books at season's-end)..what other + would we need to toss in here?

CBJ: Their #3OA pick, Hartnell (4.75 mill/3 more yrs, he's 34 yrs old with a NMC)

 

Suggesting we don't have the depth to worry about needing to protect an aging skater like Hartnell. Such a scenario hurts a team like CBJ, with having more younger, skilled fwds requiring protection.

 

Is it THAT tilted for us? Dumping Hartnell allows them to protect 1 more of their young stars, at season-end.

 

Another idea is we send Sbisa & take back Tyutin(NMC, 2 more yrs at 4.5 mill). A Russian, to fit in with a couple of our other D. In this situation, I'd first like to deal Edler for picks, before this deal goes through.

 

*Importantly, I trust/hope no one will suggest taking on Clarkson. Four more yrs at 5.25 mill, seems impossible for CBJ to move.

In a deep draft we should trade DOWN, and collect more picks.  If we do this trade, we should then flip that #3 pick to Arizona for 7 and 20.

[numb3r 16]

2 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said:

Unless CBJ doesn't think Puljujärvi is a "guaranteed all-star". Maybe the knee surgery puts a little doubt in the back of their mind. Maybe they like Dubois or Tkachuk. 

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but IF CBJ thought they'd be better off with someone at #5 and dumping a NTC/NMC, why not do it?

u a red sox fan

[Cowichan Canuck]

41 minutes ago, Alflives said:

In a deep draft we should trade DOWN, and collect more picks.  If we do this trade, we should then flip that #3 pick to Arizona for 7 and 20.

Maybe with the #5, but if we had the #3 you don't trade it for #7 and #20...you air hump all the way to the podium and take Puljujarvi.

 

Did you forget how enjoyable air humping is?

 

If i had the #3 pick, in this draft it would take 2 top ten picks to pry it from me, not a 7 and a 20.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

Maybe with the #5, but if we had the #3 you don't trade it for #7 and #20...you air hump all the way to the podium and take Puljujarvi.

 

Did you forget how enjoyable air humping is?

 

If i had the #3 pick, in this draft it would take 2 top ten picks to pry it from me, not a 7 and a 20.

Oh yes, the air hump.  Of course!  I need continued reminders to do the most important things in life:)

[Bur14Kes17]

Vancouver sends 5th, Burrows and Hansen

Columbus sends 3rd, and David Clarkson

 

seriously that's the only way Columbus wouldn't laugh at us. 

[Warhippy]

Offer them the 5th and to eat Clarkson and his contract.  Maybe their own 2nd back.

 

Anything more for a winger at #3 is an overpayment with Tkachuk and Dubois at 4-5

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Blue Jackets decline.

 

To move up two draft picks to be in the top three category, that is a big difference. Adding Burrows and Cassels on top of the fifth overall pick isn't going to get you the third pick alone, not to mention you're adding Hartnell (more value) from Blue Jackets' side.

[goblix]

Interesting, I was just thinking about this in the Horvat "Speculation" thread..

 

CLB seems like a weird club, I'm not sure if they are rebuilding or think they should be a playoff team. They've in the playoffs 4/5 years (browsing briefly) course top 3 pick is great but are they really wanting a prospect or do they want some actual playoff hockey.

 

As some of suggested to take Clarkson's contract but I don't the Canucks want it and I doubt CBJ would want to tie the 3rd with the Clarkson contract.. They'll find some Arizona team that they can send a pick to for that.

 

Anyways so what would it take for the 3rd? 

Our 5th + roster player + pick?

 

Course we know they moved Johansson out to Nash, I'm betting any talks start with Horvat..

Is that worth it for us? I'd say it is ONLY if we are able to get Stamkos, which is a big maybe.

Horvat++

leaving out our 5th because I think 5th + Horvat is just ludicrous but what would it take with a Horvat package?

 

As a side question, when are teams able to talk to UFAs ? is it before the draft or after the draft?

[JustABandwagoner]

24 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Blue Jackets decline.

 

To move up two draft picks to be in the top three category, that is a big difference. Adding Burrows and Cassels on top of the fifth overall pick isn't going to get you the third pick alone, not to mention you're adding Hartnell (more value) from Blue Jackets' side.

This this this this 

 

Cassels doesnt have much value. Burrows is pretty much washed up. You'd prob have to add in Horvat 5OA and another prospect for CBJ to consider. 

 

But again... We are NOT moving up. Its simply too hard and CBJ GM said he was excited for the 3rd OA pick 

[TheGuardian_]

I have been all over this for months now.

 

The BJ's need not just cap space, they need to make the playoffs just to make any money, they are a cash strapped team.

 

Their #3 pick could be bought without giving up the #5.

 

The Canucks have the financial resources to buy that pick.

 

Two huge elephant contracts that could change the BJ's fortunes are Clarkson and/or Johnson.

Clarkson's is 22 mil over the next 4 years, Johnson's 10 mil over the next two years, Hartnell's 12.5 mil over three years.

Columbus needs to give a big increase to Seth Jones and add a couple of more players yet.

 

If the Canucks offer to take on a large contract (s) and include center prospect(s) I believe the deal could get done.

 

A deal like this is not about being a cup contender today, but maybe in 2/3 years when the team would have 24+ mil in cap space due to the Sedin's, Hartnell/Johnson/Clarkson (buyout), Sbisa, Miller gone and no 6 mil for a goalie, combined with second contracts for a large majority of the forwards on the team.

 

Maybe throw in Cassels  their second round pick back and/or a 2018 3rd pick.

[poet]

I totally agree with the idea of the Canucks taking on a bad contract in order to get another pick in this draft. With our lack of assets, it's the one creative way to get back into the second round, or even the first round. The thing is I think targeting the third overall in this case is a bit too ambitious. Maybe a mid-first, but not something in the top five...

[coastal1]

6 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said:

Unless CBJ doesn't think Puljujärvi is a "guaranteed all-star". Maybe the knee surgery puts a little doubt in the back of their mind. Maybe they like Dubois or Tkachuk. 

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but IF CBJ thought they'd be better off with someone at #5 and dumping a NTC/NMC, why not do it?

Let's put this in context. Puljujarvi was a star on the top team at the World Juniors. A guy like Logan Brown did not even make the Canadian team (which was, i repeat, not the best team). The gap between Puljujarvi and Brown is wider then the ocean between here and Finland.

[coastal1]

1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said:

I have been all over this for months now.

 

The BJ's need not just cap space, they need to make the playoffs just to make any money, they are a cash strapped team.

 

Their #3 pick could be bought without giving up the #5.

 

The Canucks have the financial resources to buy that pick.

 

Two huge elephant contracts that could change the BJ's fortunes are Clarkson and/or Johnson.

Clarkson's is 22 mil over the next 4 years, Johnson's 10 mil over the next two years, Hartnell's 12.5 mil over three years.

Columbus needs to give a big increase to Seth Jones and add a couple of more players yet.

 

If the Canucks offer to take on a large contract (s) and include center prospect(s) I believe the deal could get done.

 

A deal like this is not about being a cup contender today, but maybe in 2/3 years when the team would have 24+ mil in cap space due to the Sedin's, Hartnell/Johnson/Clarkson (buyout), Sbisa, Miller gone and no 6 mil for a goalie, combined with second contracts for a large majority of the forwards on the team.

 

Maybe throw in Cassels  their second round pick back and/or a 2018 3rd pick.

All non sense, will NOT happen. And by the way, Clarkson's contract is structured so he can't be bought out because the cost is very high but the salary cap relief is minuscule. Such shenanigans as are suggested here is not the way you build a winner. Can you immagine a team for the next 3-4 years with a bunch of overpaid old players not interested in anything but their paycheque! That would be great for Virtanen, Horvat, Hutton and all the other young players.

[TheGuardian_]

24 minutes ago, poet said:

I totally agree with the idea of the Canucks taking on a bad contract in order to get another pick in this draft. With our lack of assets, it's the one creative way to get back into the second round, or even the first round. The thing is I think targeting the third overall in this case is a bit too ambitious. Maybe a mid-first, but not something in the top five...

Think pennies and get pennies, think dollars and get dollars. Same goes for draft picks in the NHL, the elite are almost exclusively found in the top three or four picks.

 

Give Columbus 32 mil for their first round pick, it is worth it for the Canucks.

[TheGuardian_]

Puljujarvi was mentioned by both Nylander and Laine in an interview to do with flashing their abb's, they both said Puljujarvi had the best abb's and that he is a work out machine. They both said it almost in unison so he must have impressed the hell out of them.