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45 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Bit of an odd question: 

 

I've still got Sekac (who went back to Europe this year) on my minors roster who's on an expiring RFA deal. If I qualify him but don't sign him, do I still retain his rights as in real life (if he stays in the KHL again)? 

I believe you would retain his rights until December (can't remember the exact date) any RFAs not signed by then I believe become UFA. This may be a situation that the executives should take a look at with the player being outside North America. 

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1 hour ago, ActionJax09 said:

I believe you would retain his rights until December (can't remember the exact date) any RFAs not signed by then I believe become UFA. This may be a situation that the executives should take a look at with the player being outside North America. 

yes. this. i have done this with a few players in the past. 

 

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2 hours ago, ActionJax09 said:

I believe you would retain his rights until December (can't remember the exact date) any RFAs not signed by then I believe become UFA. This may be a situation that the executives should take a look at with the player being outside North America. 

If we're striving for realism here, what do you think guys?

 

@theminister@canuck2xtreme, @Squeak, @Mike Vanderhoek, @_arby_18 and @Primal Optimist (apologies if I missed anyone). 

 

Perhaps a 'foreign player, rights held' section or something? Something to mull over for this summer perhaps ;)

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32 minutes ago, J.R. said:

If we're striving for realism here, what do you think guys?

 

@theminister@canuck2xtreme, @Squeak, @Mike Vanderhoek, @_arby_18 and @Primal Optimist (apologies if I missed anyone). 

 

Perhaps a 'foreign player, rights held' section or something? Something to mull over for this summer perhaps ;)

Certainly not opposed, but is there a benefit to it for the league? 

 

Currently that foreign player would receive his qualifying offer, and would be listed on a team`s spreadsheet in the `qualified section,` so, still pretty easy to find.

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3 minutes ago, greensman said:

Certainly not opposed, but is there a benefit to it for the league? 

More realism I suppose. Be nice to retain player rights (passed Dec that year) if a guy bolts to Europe without having his cap count in your system. I have a similar issue with Nichushkin as well. He's counting against my minors cap even though he's not here.

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3 hours ago, J.R. said:

More realism I suppose. Be nice to retain player rights (passed Dec that year) if a guy bolts to Europe without having his cap count in your system. I have a similar issue with Nichushkin as well. He's counting against my minors cap even though he's not here.

just as a fellow GM I would not want to see any way that a team could horde the rights to players without paying for them. That wouldn't be cool imo. I might not be in the majority, but I have always campaigned hard for paying for what you get as a GM...rights to players cost cap one way or another unless they are hurt and unavailable if you want to retain and they play in the Hong Kong Reaga you should incur the cap. Again just my opinion. 

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1 minute ago, Primal Optimist said:

just as a fellow GM I would not want to see any way that a team could horde the rights to players without paying for them. That wouldn't be cool imo. I might not be in the majority, but I have always campaigned hard for paying for what you get as a GM...rights to players cost cap one way or another unless they are hurt and unavailable if you want to retain and they play in the Hong Kong Reaga you should incur the cap. Again just my opinion. 

But that's not what happens in real life as far as i know....

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14 hours ago, J.R. said:

But that's not what happens in real life as far as i know....

We have to have some limits on reality..as you can clearly see there is SO MUCH to track already that the hard working team of execs are not only behind by a month roughly, but frankly burnt out. ( I can say from experience). Adding more to their work load, regardless of who the exec might be at any given moment is a bad idea. again, just my opinion. This league has always strived to be the most realistic, however any fantasy league immediately breaks the bonds of realism when it allows its first draft and real life team mates are split up. Some things need to be kept simple enough for every GM to keep up and the guys in charge to be able to not devote a 40 hour work week to it. 

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2 hours ago, Primal Optimist said:

We have to have some limits on reality..as you can clearly see there is SO MUCH to track already that the hard working team of execs are not only behind by a month roughly, but frankly burnt out. ( I can say from experience). Adding more to their work load, regardless of who the exec might be at any given moment is a bad idea. again, just my opinion. This league has always strived to be the most realistic, however any fantasy league immediately breaks the bonds of realism when it allows its first draft and real life team mates are split up. Some things need to be kept simple enough for every GM to keep up and the guys in charge to be able to not devote a 40 hour work week to it. 

And that's an absolutely fair argument. 

 

Though I'd question if it would actually be more work. One way or another the executive would need to deal with the player. Whether it's signing them, converting them to UFA in December etc. Simply moving the player to a 'Rights held' field on our team sheets might actually be less work. 

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On 2/3/2017 at 10:02 AM, J.R. said:

Bit of an odd question: 

 

I've still got Sekac (who went back to Europe this year) on my minors roster who's on an expiring RFA deal. If I qualify him but don't sign him, do I still retain his rights as in real life (if he stays in the KHL again)? 

 

4.2.1 – Qualifying Offers

 

Teams looking to retain the rights of their pending Restricted Free Agents would need to submit a qualifying offer based on the following scale.

•   $500,000 - $1.5 million = 110% of previous contract

•   over $1.5 million - $3 million = 105% of previous contract

•   over $3 million = 100% of previous contract

Qualifying offers are calculated using a players base salary only, bonuses are not included in the calculation. The deadline for submitting qualifying offers is 5:00pm Pacific Time on June 27, 2015. Qualifying offers are valid contract offers and are subject to being accepted at any time prior to their expiration. This offer may or may not be accepted, but the player will go to Unrestricted Free Agency if the qualifying offer is not extended before the deadline.

 

Qualifying offers will expire on July 31st at 11:59pm Pacific time and at that point will no longer be eligible to be accepted by the player. Teams with players in this situation will still retain the players rights. A qualified player who is not signed by December 1st of each season will be released to Unrestricted Free Agency and will be eligible to sign with any team.

 

21 hours ago, J.R. said:

If we're striving for realism here, what do you think guys?

 

@theminister@canuck2xtreme, @Squeak, @Mike Vanderhoek, @_arby_18 and @Primal Optimist (apologies if I missed anyone). 

 

Perhaps a 'foreign player, rights held' section or something? Something to mull over for this summer perhaps ;)

Using our CBA has worked well in past for cleaning up teams who wish to retain RFA's but do not sign them by the deadline. No point hoarding such players. If you want them that badly you will offer the contract or bid on the player when they hit Unrestricted Free Agency and can be approached come July. One thing since this League started is to make sure GM's work for their assets and no freebies so to speak.

 

21 hours ago, J.R. said:

More realism I suppose. Be nice to retain player rights (passed Dec that year) if a guy bolts to Europe without having his cap count in your system. I have a similar issue with Nichushkin as well. He's counting against my minors cap even though he's not here.

Perhaps realism to 110% vs balance and play as it is a " Fantasy League " at the end of the day. The League will always listen to suggestions and work with members about possible changes etc, however going back to above there is really no benefit. The player is not providing points to your team and can be bid on during free agency if he becomes a commodity re: Radulov last summer or if you wish to take a gamble.

 

17 hours ago, Primal Optimist said:

just as a fellow GM I would not want to see any way that a team could horde the rights to players without paying for them. That wouldn't be cool imo. I might not be in the majority, but I have always campaigned hard for paying for what you get as a GM...rights to players cost cap one way or another unless they are hurt and unavailable if you want to retain and they play in the Hong Kong Reaga you should incur the cap. Again just my opinion. 

I agree for sure, there are other Leagues who have teams with over 60+ players signed/unsigned and we're talking holding Ilya Kovalchuk's rights for example and other older players at zero cap against the team ( zero risk ) to hold players who may or may not come back to the NHL. Other Leagues essentially have created zero wiggle room for teams to hunt for gems or bid on a perhaps surprise player available again going back to Radulov for example. Nichushkin for example in a couple seasons may return to the NHL, pay and take the risk to keep him in minors or wait to offer as a free agent.

 

2 hours ago, Primal Optimist said:

We have to have some limits on reality..as you can clearly see there is SO MUCH to track already that the hard working team of execs are not only behind by a month roughly, but frankly burnt out. ( I can say from experience). Adding more to their work load, regardless of who the exec might be at any given moment is a bad idea. again, just my opinion. This league has always strived to be the most realistic, however any fantasy league immediately breaks the bonds of realism when it allows its first draft and real life team mates are split up. Some things need to be kept simple enough for every GM to keep up and the guys in charge to be able to not devote a 40 hour work week to it. 

 

I would like to think the limits on reality are in place more so to keep interest and add to the experience vs working to maintain things. The League from the outset has strived to maintain realism but also make sure GMs are held accountable and have to do their research as well as put their time in. The idea of possible free assets sitting on a teams reserve list is not one that sits well if those assets can be on the free market or are merely taking up space with the hopes the team can utilize the player when it suits them.

 

Let's remember one person updated and maintained this League in all aspects ( trades, waivers, assignments, call ups, injuries, the draft, etc ) for several years, this cannot be taken lightly or for granted. A second person was brought in to provide context and offer insight so as to not allow the optics of one person running things as a perceived negative and to take on some of the workload.

 

Additionally another person was brought in to help with free agency and again offer their insight and provide context and discussion on League matters to further maintain credibility while ensuring all members experience here was the utmost importance while running things fairly. Further additions have taken place and have provided for the most part a much improved dialogue when trying to maintain fairness and standard. There will always be bumps in the road, we will always rely on people volunteering their time. I personally reduced my activity over the holidays to spend time with family and I know others got or get busy. I also know some members are more invested then one might think and need to take a step back at times which is also ok and doesn't mean the sky is falling.

 

Currently the workload is not overwhelming at all, I really enjoy helping where I can and other members have offered assistance which may be called upon as this League ever-evolves. Others are fine-tuning their roles and working towards being in a position to help updates as needed. Thanks to all our members for keeping this League top notch and for all your time involved in this game.

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4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

And that's an absolutely fair argument. 

 

Though I'd question if it would actually be more work. One way or another the executive would need to deal with the player. Whether it's signing them, converting them to UFA in December etc. Simply moving the player to a 'Rights held' field on our team sheets might actually be less work. 

Not a matter of workload, merely a matter of a team can make their decision. They have plenty of time to see if the player after being qualified will make a teams Training Camp or sign later in the fall/winter before making their decision. Worst case scenario a team does not feel comfortable signing the player and has to try signing him when he becomes a commodity in July or they can take the risk to sign him and keep him in the minors.

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Got a wife & kids down in Baltimore Jack. I went for a ride, and I never looked back! :towel:

 

 

Knocked a HUGE one off the list last night! Headed downtown and hawked tickets to see Bruce Springsteen. Oh My Gawd! 

 

I am a concert and muso enthusiast 3 times more passionate than about my hockey.  This was an event like visiting the pyramids. Got like row Z tickets at the back of the stadium. Didn't matter.  People were dancing, crying, hugging and singing for better than 3 & 1/2 hours. And left exhausted, delirious, mesmerized.

 

Bruce was never first on my list before.  Suddenly I've got a hungry heart...  

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11 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Got a wife & kids down in Baltimore Jack. I went for a ride, and I never looked back! :towel:

 

 

Knocked a HUGE one off the list last night! Headed downtown and hawked tickets to see Bruce Springsteen. Oh My Gawd! 

 

I am a concert and muso enthusiast 3 times more passionate than about my hockey.  This was an event like visiting the pyramids. Got like row Z tickets at the back of the stadium. Didn't matter.  People were dancing, crying, hugging and singing for better than 3 & 1/2 hours. And left exhausted, delirious, mesmerized.

 

Bruce was never first on my list before.  Suddenly I've got a hungry heart...  

I see what you did there....

 

jurassic park mash up giraffe clever girl

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11 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

EXTENSION: The Toronto Maple Leafs have re-signed froward Alexander Radulov to a three year contract extension.

 

 

small.png Alexander Radulov: 3 years, $ 18.75 million dollar contract ( $ 6,250,000.00 per season ).

 

* includes a full no-trade-clause for season one of the deal.

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38 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

I see what you did there....

 

jurassic park mash up giraffe clever girl

Laughing!

 

Nothing metaphorical intended in that lyric choice btw. At least in the present. Just caught up in the moment. 

 

Those songs just have a way of taking you back? I remember dancing with a particular  sweetheart from a neighboring school to that song when it first came out.  It was kinda like stealing something everyone wanted...  Maybe like that giraffe's tongue? :sick: 

 

What a great week for me!  Sometimes you just gotta get out and live life a bit.

 

 

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