Lancaster Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just now, Warhippy said: Like when the Oilers drafted Hall a winger instead of Seguin a center? Or when they drafted Yakupov a winger instead of Reilly or Galchenyuk? BPA is not the best way to go always. It's been proven by this club countless times. Look at the lost decade of drafting that was 2005-2015. We almost always went with the BPA and grabbed such gems as Hodgson, Schroeder, Rahimi, White, Ellington, Sauve and more. All the proverbial BPA, when had we drafted for need instead for those years with an eye 2 seasons in to the future we'd have been far far better off. The funny thing about BPA over knowing your needs in 2 to 5 seasons time is that the BPA is almost always a now factor which; in the case of this fan base, turns in to why isn't my 18 year old producing at 2 PPG in the AHL or 1 PPG in the NHL he's a bust should have drafted..... I'm happy we grabbed Juolevi. Tkachuk was actually by all accounts slated for the #4 spot for the Oilers based on their shipping Hall off. Tkachuk would have been a decent gritty replacement for a team that needed the sandpaper and skill he brought. At no point in time was there going to be any doubt that Juolevi/Dubois/Puljujarvi/Tkachuk were going 3-6. Just the way it ended up is all is what threw people. If anything the msot shocking thing is how the Oilers actually finally sent Puljujarvi down to the AHL for seasoning instead of leaving him in like they've done everyone else not named Draisatl. Wasn't Ryan Murray supposed to have been chosen instead of Yaks? I'm not saying you can't draft based on need, but when PLD was expected to be lower, there should have been a possibility to trade down a bit. With the exception of Matthews, no centre were expected to be #1 centres. Worst case scenario for the CBJ would that they could have draft Logan Brown or something. 6'6 offensive centre would be enticing to anyone. Anyways, I guess we're going off-track as this is supposed to be about OJ... who is a good pick anyways, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Wasn't Ryan Murray supposed to have been chosen instead of Yaks? I'm not saying you can't draft based on need, but when PLD was expected to be lower, there should have been a possibility to trade down a bit. With the exception of Matthews, no centre were expected to be #1 centres. Worst case scenario for the CBJ would that they could have draft Logan Brown or something. 6'6 offensive centre would be enticing to anyone. Anyways, I guess we're going off-track as this is supposed to be about OJ... who is a good pick anyways, lol. Think Yak was barely ahead of Murray, then I was disturbed when they didn't choose Murray and still am. I know either player didn't truly turn out as their hype dictated but still... The problem with trading down is you need to find a team willing to trade up. Edmonton isn't going to bother with that kind of deal and we didn't have much assets to get a deal to work as well. CBJ had the player they wanted in mind and that was PLD if they go 6 and below there's no guarantee that whoever picks at 3rd / 4th / 5th will take PLD. Thus they picked the player they thought was best and we shall see in time if this turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 28 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Wasn't Ryan Murray supposed to have been chosen instead of Yaks? I'm not saying you can't draft based on need, but when PLD was expected to be lower, there should have been a possibility to trade down a bit. With the exception of Matthews, no centre were expected to be #1 centres. Worst case scenario for the CBJ would that they could have draft Logan Brown or something. 6'6 offensive centre would be enticing to anyone. Anyways, I guess we're going off-track as this is supposed to be about OJ... who is a good pick anyways, lol. No you're totally right, I think I was off on that Regardless, PLD was the best center not named Matthews and Columbus needs centers in 2-5 years. He was exactly their organizational need and technically the BPA at that position so him being grabbed at 3 was a no brainer. We don't no if there was any talks behind the scenes or not but they needed something they got the best available. Much like us, we needed something in 2-5 years not right now so we got it. Once Edler etc are gone we're going to need him. The timing will be spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 ^ And yet here we are... But I'm still happy with the pick. If he continues to play well and shows more through the end of this year and into next it allows us to not only make the one move including a defenseman we could at this point, but potentially two to get a return to help elsewhere. Now, we're left with our biggest need being skilled, dynamic, creative, playmaking players in the high-end/elite level. Someone will have to take the outlet pass from the likes of Juolevi and convert it into a scoring chance for the likes of Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, elvis15 said: ^ And yet here we are... But I'm still happy with the pick. If he continues to play well and shows more through the end of this year and into next it allows us to not only make the one move including a defenseman we could at this point, but potentially two to get a return to help elsewhere. Now, we're left with our biggest need being skilled, dynamic, creative, playmaking players in the high-end/elite level. Someone will have to take the outlet pass from the likes of Juolevi and convert it into a scoring chance for the likes of Boeser. Come on.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just now, J.R. said: Come on.... lol we're not going to beat the likes of Arizona or Colorado in the tank race... Vegas gets the 3rd soooo at best we are slotted for 4th baring we win the lottery which could happen but I'm not banking on.. That said there seems to be a lot of good top 6 Centers in the top 10 that seem to be pretty good. Rasmussen, Necas, Mittlestadt, Vilardi, Patrick, Hischier, Pettersson. Pettersson sounds like a sweet slippery, slick offensive guy we could use Rasmussen, 6'5" kid from surrey with vision and playmaking hands Mittlestadt, heard good things about this guy on the radio but the drafting profile on draftsite is broken english so I have no clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, goblix said: lol we're not going to beat the likes of Arizona or Colorado in the tank race... Vegas gets the 3rd soooo at best we are slotted for 4th baring we win the lottery which could happen but I'm not banking on.. Meh, tanking doesn't matter. If we finish in the bottom 14 (I'm guessing closer to bottom 10, if not 5 depending on how the rest of the season goes) we get our respective chances in the lotto just like the other bottom 14 teams. Hoping for a reversal of fortunes from last lotto and getting a top 3 pick Edited February 6, 2017 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 6 hours ago, J.R. said: I'd still do both. I still hope we move Tanev and one of Baer/Granlund for an upgrade on wing. OK, that's the best case scenario. If that were to transpire, I'm in. I think it's a long shot to think that we side-step the expansion draft and create a better team in one move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, nzan said: OK, that's the best case scenario. If that were to transpire, I'm in. I think it's a long shot to think that we side-step the expansion draft and create a better team in one move. For sure, it's a tough move. We may end up simply moving Sbisa for a pick/prospect or similar. And that's ok too, I'd just prefer that ^^^ if it's possible. *crosses fingers* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 50 minutes ago, goblix said: lol we're not going to beat the likes of Arizona or Colorado in the tank race... Vegas gets the 3rd soooo at best we are slotted for 4th baring we win the lottery which could happen but I'm not banking on.. The draft doesn't work that way anymore. Arizona and Colorado may have the best odds but neither is guaranteed a top 3 pick. And neither is Vegas. They simply have the same odds as the 28th ranked team but could slide to as late as 6th, if three teams from outside the bottom three win the lottery. That said, even if we finish 3rd last, we could still end up drafting as late as 7th. Edmonton ruined the draft for everyone, unfortunately. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, nowhereman said: The draft doesn't work that way anymore. Arizona and Colorado may have the best odds but neither is guaranteed a top 3 pick. And neither is Vegas. They simply have the same odds as the 28th ranked team but could slide to as late as 6th, if three teams from outside the bottom three win the lottery. That said, even if we finish 3rd last, we could still end up drafting as late as 7th. Edmonton ruined the draft for everyone, unfortunately. That is what I was getting at with my post, but you drew it out much clearer. Anyways even if we do sit at 4th and drop to 7th then my main point was that the Center depth is pretty nice in that range anyways so whilst Hischer and Patrick is unlikely the others are quite decent possibilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 hours ago, goblix said: lol we're not going to beat the likes of Arizona or Colorado in the tank race... Vegas gets the 3rd soooo at best we are slotted for 4th baring we win the lottery which could happen but I'm not banking on.. That said there seems to be a lot of good top 6 Centers in the top 10 that seem to be pretty good. Rasmussen, Necas, Mittlestadt, Vilardi, Patrick, Hischier, Pettersson. Pettersson sounds like a sweet slippery, slick offensive guy we could use Rasmussen, 6'5" kid from surrey with vision and playmaking hands Mittlestadt, heard good things about this guy on the radio but the drafting profile on draftsite is broken english so I have no clue. LOL Rasmussen is gonna be a bust do more research he scores bad goals. He's not a playmaker by any means. And we have a chance at hischier and patrick just like Winnipeg jumped spots we can top. Btw hischier is a fricken gem he's like the Swiss mcdavid. Seriously this is his rookie season and he has 76 points in 46 games. That's amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, orcasgonewild said: LOL Rasmussen is gonna be a bust do more research he scores bad goals. He's not a playmaker by any means. And we have a chance at hischier and patrick just like Winnipeg jumped spots we can top. Btw hischier is a fricken gem he's like the Swiss mcdavid. Seriously this is his rookie season and he has 76 points in 46 games. That's amazing ??? Ok cool? You tell me Rasmussen is going to be a bust then you say Hischer is the Swiss McDavid... hmmmmm interesting... McDavid who played 47 games and got 120 points in the OHL and EVERYONE touting franchise, generational player vs Hischer who played 43 games and has 76 points in the QMJHL and isn't even a lock to be first overall.... Hischer probably gonna be a real good player but not McDavid level, sorry to burst that bubble. Also confused on why you went on that tangent anyways... not like I am against on winning the lottery lol... nor was I advocating on Rasmussen or any of the players I mentioned over anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, goblix said: ??? Ok cool? You tell me Rasmussen is going to be a bust then you say Hischer is the Swiss McDavid... hmmmmm interesting... McDavid who played 47 games and got 120 points in the OHL and EVERYONE touting franchise, generational player vs Hischer who played 43 games and has 76 points in the QMJHL and isn't even a lock to be first overall.... Hischer probably gonna be a real good player but not McDavid level, sorry to burst that bubble. Also confused on why you went on that tangent anyways... not like I am against on winning the lottery lol... nor was I advocating on Rasmussen or any of the players I mentioned over anyone else? This is hischier rookie year. In mcdavid rookie year he had 99 points in 66 games. Plus I didn't make up that Swiss mcdavid thing I think it was hockey writers. I see hischier as being a Kane type of player or Marner. Rasmussen won't be good right away at least. He's not flashy and his goals are him standing in front of the net on the power play jamming things in. Some scouts see this as alarming. What can I say I just really want a guy who's most certainly gonna turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, orcasgonewild said: This is hischier rookie year. In mcdavid rookie year he had 99 points in 66 games. Plus I didn't make up that Swiss mcdavid thing I think it was hockey writers. I see hischier as being a Kane type of player or Marner. Rasmussen won't be good right away at least. He's not flashy and his goals are him standing in front of the net on the power play jamming things in. Some scouts see this as alarming. What can I say I just really want a guy who's most certainly gonna turn out. you say rookie year but he's still 17 same age as McDavid and his 120 point campaign, maybe it's a bit more exciting that he's able to adjust to a new league, new ice surface, and etc, etc but not by that much. I mean I'm with you I want Hischier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihaveyuidonttouchme Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 had a pretty game with the puck i thought didnt really stood out defensively London rattled out real quick taking a bunch of penalties (one of their biggest issues) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, The 5th Line said: I like the Juolevi pick, my comment had nothing to do with our 2016 draft selection. 5th, We may disagree but we are both fans. Your tend to compare our prospects with others, not long after their drafted. It may be a trigger for posters like myself. I dont think its constructive to compare picks before a certain amount of time has passed, roughly 5 years. That allows for different development paths, growth rates and different organizational needs. We don't need to butt heads, I would much rather talk to you about the latest interview Jake had in Utica, talking about how much he is learning from his linemates on how to prepare and approach the pro game. To me, it is a positive bit of news, and offers some insight to how Jake and coach Green are approaching his time in Utica. As this organization seems to want to do, they will make everyone a responsible two way player, or you will never see time on the big club. It it is a sound strategy when you are not going to be getting 1st OA picks. Barring pulling a Jets from last year and winning the lotto, we at best will be in the 7-12 range for a pick. OK, good players to had there, but currently no expected game breakers. Enter Jake, who has attibutes that that can make him a good two way player, so does literally every player JB is targeting. Stylistically JB is losing entertainment value, but it may pay great dividends, especially considering our strengths in prospects in goal and defence. We only need one or two scoring wingers to be really effective in a defence first system. OJ fits prefectly with that model. His being drafted addresses a lot of gaps with our current d corps. What is really lacking is a good transition game, OJ's strength and all we have on the big club is Stecher Doing that. If JB builds a rough and ready team that can role 4 lines with solid up and down goal scoring ability, with a solid defence and great goaltending, welcome to the Minnesota Wild of this year. It may not be the favoured method to win a cup, but both Boston and LA won with a similar team model. It's also the path available. Jake fits in with that plan, if he can be rebuilt in Utica. Yes his progression is disappointing at face value, but the saga isn't over yet. EW sorry talking more about Jake in a OJ thread. Forgot where I was. Edited February 7, 2017 by Eastcoast meets Westcoast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: 5th, We may disagree but we are both fans. Your tend to compare our prospects with others, not long after their drafted. It may be a trigger for posters like myself. I dont think its constructive to compare picks before a certain amount of time has passed, roughly 5 years. That allows for different development paths, growth rates and different organizational needs. We don't need to butt heads, I would much rather talk to you about the latest interview Jake had in Utica, talking about how much he is learning from his linemates on how to prepare and approach the pro game. To me, it is a positive bit of news, and offers some insight to how Jake and coach Green are approaching his time in Utica. As this organization seems to want to do, they will make everyone a responsible two way player, or you will never see time on the big club. It it is a sound strategy when you are not going to be getting 1st OA picks. Barring pulling a Jets from last year and winning the lotto, we at best will be in the 7-12 range for a pick. OK, good players to had there, but currently no expected game breakers. Enter Jake, who has attibutes that that can make him a good two way player, so does literally every player JB is targeting. Stylistically JB is losing entertainment value, but it may pay great dividends, especially considering our strengths in prospects in goal and defence. We only need one or two scoring wingers to be really effective in a defence first system. If JB builds a rough and ready team that can role 4 lines with solid up and down goal scoring ability, with a solid defence and great goaltending, welcome to the Minnesota Wild of this year. It may not be the favoured method to win a cup, but both Boston and LA won with a similar team model. It's also the path available. Jake fits in with that plan, if he can be rebuilt in Utica. Yes his progression is disappointing at face value, but the saga isn't over yet. EW Maybe we have Chara in Tryamkin, and Doughty in Juiolevi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Maybe we have Chara in Tryamkin, and Doughty in Juiolevi? And Karlsson in Stecher, and Subban in Subban 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Quote The original point I'm trying to make is that pre-draft, the initial conversation on CDC was whether the Canucks should be picking Tkatchuk, Chychrun, or PLD. OJ wasn't even in the conversation as he was expected to have been taken already. Wait, this isn't true at all. Virtually every list had Juolevi 6th to 8th. Almost no one had him higher. And, almost no one had Juolevi higher than Tkachuk either. Even the people from the Knights thought Tkachuck was the clear winner between the two. When we look back on it in 10 years, we are going to be kicking ourselves... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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