Harvey Spector Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 39 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: If Tanev is moved, I hope is either for a young center or defender. This can be either for an NHL ready player or a good draft pick. Tanev could be this years Schnieder. Trade him at the draft for a pick to grab a specific prospect. If that trade is made, we protect Sbisa, Edler and Guddy so d depth will take a hit, but we will still have capable players. We have the depth to absorb some of the short term pain. Both Sbisa and Trymakin can play either side. The expansion draft is before the regular NHL draft. So we would need to make a decision on who we protect before the regular draft happens. I'd be in favour of just leaving Edler unprotected. Vegas will not pick him up. Then at the actual draft we can wheel and deal and potentially trade Tanev for a first rounder or a young top 6 forward. That opens up a spot for Juolevi to make the club as the 7th D next year. Hutton Tryamkin Sbisa Stecher Edler Gudbranson Juolevi I would like to see Juolevi sub in for Edler and have him play with Gudbranson. If Juolevi can make the jump as a 19 year old then that frees us up to either trade or buy out Edler the following year which will be his last year under contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: The expansion draft is before the regular NHL draft. So we would need to make a decision on who we protect before the regular draft happens. I'd be in favour of just leaving Edler unprotected. Vegas will not pick him up. Then at the actual draft we can wheel and deal and potentially trade Tanev for a first rounder or a young top 6 forward. That opens up a spot for Juolevi to make the club as the 7th D next year. Hutton Tryamkin Sbisa Stecher Edler Gudbranson Juolevi I would like to see Juolevi sub in for Edler and have him play with Gudbranson. If Juolevi can make the jump as a 19 year old then that frees us up to either trade or buy out Edler the following year which will be his last year under contract. Edler still has one more year on his NTC so he has to be protected in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Edler still has one more year on his NTC so he has to be protected in the draft. No he doesn't. Only players with NMC must be protected. Protected Lists * Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft: a. Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender b. Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender * All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits). * All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits). Also, Edler has TWO years left on his contract and BOTH years he has a NTC. Edited April 17, 2017 by Harvey Spector 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Knights win it in OT and force a Game 7! 2-1, Stephens with the winner. Game 7 goes Tuesday at 4:00 pst. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Another game 7 for the Knights. How are they doing it? Parsons is sadly a Flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, stonecoldstevebernier said: Knights win it in OT and force a Game 7! 2-1, Stephens with the winner. Game 7 goes Tuesday at 4:00 pst. another game 7 will he ace the win again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: Another game 7 for the Knights. How are they doing it? Parsons is sadly a Flame. Its amazing how deep they are, year after year... even losing that entire dynamic first line from last year they still have a chance to go to the conference finals. Parsons is outstanding. (And then out here, we have the Giants... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Harvey Spector said: I'd be in favour of just leaving Edler unprotected. Vegas will not pick him up. Still one of the stupidest ideas I regularly see on CDC. Thanks for clarifying the NTC/NMC thing for some folks though 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, J.R. said: Still one of the stupidest ideas I regularly see on CDC. Thanks for clarifying the NTC/NMC thing for some folks though Haha, so how it is stupid to leave Edler unprotected? Do you honestly think Gallant would want him? If he takes him that's $5 million in cap space freed up which means we could take on someone else's dead wood in order to pick up a young prospect. And we could just keep Tanev until Juolevi develops. Win win all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, stonecoldstevebernier said: Its amazing how deep they are, year after year... even losing that entire dynamic first line from last year they still have a chance to go to the conference finals. Parsons is outstanding. (And then out here, we have the Giants... ) I'd throw every last dollar at Dale Hunter to get him as head coach. Travis Green is right there at the top, but when you look at the Hunter teams they have a purpose in the Offensive zone. Maybe Green just needs to coach players that have NHL talent, but Hunter always gets the most out of a team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Haha, so how it is stupid to leave Edler unprotected? Do you honestly think Gallant would want him? If he takes him that's $5 million in cap space freed up which means we could take on someone else's dead wood in order to pick up a young prospect. And we could just keep Tanev until Juolevi develops. Win win all around. A #2 or, at worst (according to some at CDC) #3D, on a good contract for 2 more years? Yes. In a second, while laughing maniacally. I'm fine getting rid of Edler if that's what management decides but we could get a hell of a lot more in trade for him than the nothing we'd get from exposing him. It's a phenomenally stupid idea that seriously makes me question the intelligence of anyone who posts it. Take comfort that you're not alone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, J.R. said: A #2 or, at worst (according to some at CDC) #3D, on a good contract for 2 more years? Yes. In a second, while laughing maniacally. I'm fine getting rid of Edler if that's what management decides but we could get a hell of a lot more in trade for him than the nothing we'd get from exposing him. It's a phenomenally stupid idea that seriously makes me question the intelligence of anyone who posts it. Take comfort that you're not alone. He has a NTC. He won't agree to a trade so that's not an option. A #3 D? Maybe on a bad team. Maybe on Vegas. He's basically a turnover machine who wouldn't contribute anything to a playoff contender. I cannot for the life of me figure out any reason why a guy like Gallant would want him. I've watched Edler since his first game. After that back injury he's never been the same. He used to be a devastating hitter and could actually run a power play back in the day. Now he's just deadwood on a non playoff rebuilding team. He's also the quietest guy you'd ever meet. He used to date my cousin's cousin. So I actually had dinner with him at my uncle's house. He barely said a word and barely ate a thing all night at an Italian dinner full of food. He's not much of a mentor either. I cannot picture him saying a word to the young defencemen. He's just not that guy. He's no Ohlund. That's why we got Gudbranson who's the exact opposite of Edler. If healthy Gudbranson is the leader of our D moving forward. Edited April 17, 2017 by Harvey Spector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skategal Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 I know this thread is supposed to be about Juolevi, but talk about Edler intrigues me. While he may not be a Norris caliber defenceman, he's no slouch. He's become CDC's latest whipping boy, but that doesn't take much. I'm curious about people who state that "he's not much of a mentor". How do you know that? Do you see him on the practice ice, in the dressing room, players bench? In my estimate, Edler is a classic introvert, he's not going to be front and center in a group talking, not the life of the party, not comfortable talking on front of people he doesn't know well, but one on one he's likely very good. I believe some of the younger guys have referenced his help in getting them more comfortable in the NHL. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: He has a NTC. He won't agree to a trade so that's not an option. A #3 D? Maybe on a bad team. Maybe on Vegas. He's basically a turnover machine who wouldn't contribute anything to a playoff contender. I cannot for the life of me figure out any reason why a guy like Gallant would want him. I've watched Edler since his first game. After that back injury he's never been the same. He used to be a devastating hitter and could actually run a power play back in the day. Now he's just deadwood on a non playoff rebuilding team. He's also the quietest guy you'd ever meet. He used to date my cousin's cousin. So I actually had dinner with him at my uncle's house. He barely said a word and barely ate a thing all night at an Italian dinner full of food. He's not much of a mentor either. I cannot picture him saying a word to the young defencemen. He's just not that guy. He's no Ohlund. That's why we got Gudbranson who's the exact opposite of Edler. If healthy Gudbranson is the leader of our D moving forward. Won't? Just like Bieksa or Garrison wouldn't? No, he'd be a solid #2D on a bad team. #3 on a good team with deep D. All you anecdotal stories are great and all and gee I'm shocked that a professional athlete wouldn't be stuffing his gob with pasta and all but Stecher highly disagrees on your assessment of his mentoring abilities.Gave him major credit at the beginning of the year for mentoring him actually. I could care less if he's an introvert or not.I'd imagine neither do his team mates. Edited April 17, 2017 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Edler will be traded, most likely within a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, J.R. said: Won't? Just like Bieksa or Garrison wouldn't? No, he'd be a solid #2D on a bad team. #3 on a good team with deep D. All you anecdotal stories are great and all and gee I'm shocked that a professional athlete wouldn't be stuffing his gob with pasta and all but Stecher highly disagrees on your assessment of his mentoring abilities.Gave him major credit at the beginning of the year for mentoring him actually. I could care less if he's an introvert or not. So the Canucks are technically a bad team no? So he's our #2 D? Really? You have him ahead of Tanev, Tryamkin, Gudbranson, Hutton and Sbisa? I'm assuming Stecher is ahead of him considering he's our best offensive weapon. Is he a #3 on Edmonton, a team with less depth on D than Vancouver? I'd take Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse over Edler. Heck I'd even take Sekera over him. He's on the third pairing in Edmonton. Edited April 17, 2017 by Harvey Spector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 42 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: So the Canucks are technically a bad team no? So he's our #2 D? Really? You have him ahead of Tanev, Tryamkin, Gudbranson, Hutton and Sbisa? I'm assuming Stecher is ahead of him considering he's our best offensive weapon. Is he a #3 on Edmonton, a team with less depth on D than Vancouver? I'd take Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse over Edler. Heck I'd even take Sekera over him. He's on the third pairing in Edmonton. D ratings aren't a depth chart. He's a #2D trending to #3 as he ages. He's not 'our' #2D. Unfortunately, he's 'our' best D at present, one of the many reasons our team isn't very good. Ask our last 3 coaches why they played him more than anyone else. Tanev is an decent #2D, Stecher might be a #2D some day as he develops but isn't there yet. Gudbranson I'd probably say a very solid #3. Tryamkin could be a #1D eventually but as of right now, I'd say probably #4'ish at this point. Hutton, #4, verging on #3. Sbisa was a #5, now a #4 IMO. If Edler was where he should be, a complimentary guy playing with a true #1D or anchoring a second pair on a VERY deep D core and playing closer to 20 minutes instead of 25 and getting over extended past his comfort zone, he'd be a stellar player. I hope he does get traded to a good team so I can hear all the moronic "where was this Edler when he played here' type comments. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) And none of this particularly even matters...regardless of whether you think Edler's a #2D or a #4D, you don't simply move him for nothing. It's monumentally stupid. Edited April 17, 2017 by J.R. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 11 hours ago, J.R. said: And none of this particularly even matters...regardless of whether you think Edler's a #2D or a #4D, you don't simply move him for nothing. It's monumentally stupid. It just makes the posters saying such things look like they don't know their heads from their butts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 12 hours ago, J.R. said: And none of this particularly even matters...regardless of whether you think Edler's a #2D or a #4D, you don't simply move him for nothing. It's monumentally stupid. That's the way you are it and more power to you. Others see letting sbisa go, who is younger, cheaper and much more physical, as a bigger mistake. Edler has done good things in van, but his best days are very clearly behind him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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