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7 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Won't? Just like Bieksa or Garrison wouldn't?

 

No, he'd be a solid #2D on a bad team. #3 on a good team with deep D.

 

All you anecdotal stories are great and all and gee I'm shocked that a professional athlete wouldn't be stuffing his gob with pasta and all :rolleyes: but Stecher highly disagrees on your assessment of his mentoring abilities.Gave him major credit at the beginning of the year for mentoring him actually.

 

I could care less if he's an introvert or not.

 

 

So the Canucks are technically a bad team no?  So he's our #2 D?  Really?  You have him ahead of Tanev, Tryamkin, Gudbranson, Hutton and Sbisa?  I'm assuming Stecher is ahead of him considering he's our best offensive weapon. 

 

Is he a #3 on Edmonton, a team with less depth on D than Vancouver?  I'd take Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse over Edler. Heck I'd even take Sekera over him. He's on the third pairing in Edmonton. 

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11 hours ago, J.R. said:

And none of this particularly even matters...regardless of whether you think Edler's a #2D or a #4D, you don't simply move him for nothing. It's monumentally stupid.

It just makes the posters saying such things look like they don't know their heads from their butts. 

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12 hours ago, J.R. said:

And none of this particularly even matters...regardless of whether you think Edler's a #2D or a #4D, you don't simply move him for nothing. It's monumentally stupid.

That's the way you are it and more power to you.  Others see letting sbisa go, who is younger, cheaper and much more physical, as a bigger mistake.  Edler has done good things in van, but his best days are very clearly behind him.

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20 minutes ago, stawns said:

That's the way you are it and more power to you.  Others see letting sbisa go, who is younger, cheaper and much more physical, as a bigger mistake.  Edler has done good things in van, but his best days are very clearly behind him.

You would be hard pressed to get a 6th round pick for Sbisa. Why would you protect him when #1 he's basically a terrible defenseman and #2 you're not going to be able to trade him for anything of decent value, the slight chance that Edler will waive his NTC is worth more than what you would get for Sbisa. Plus having Edler on the team eating up big minutes against top forwards protects our young defense from getting exposed and lets them develop at a proper pace rather than getting thrown to the wolves.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

You would be hard pressed to get a 6th round pick for Sbisa. Why would you protect him when #1 he's basically a terrible defenseman and #2 you're not going to be able to trade him for anything of decent value, the slight chance that Edler will waive his NTC is worth more than what you would get for Sbisa. Plus having Edler on the team eating up big minutes against top forwards protects our young defense from getting exposed and lets them develop at a proper pace rather than getting thrown to the wolves.

 

 

The guy might not be a point producer, but then nobody on our blue line was, but what he was was one of our most improved defensemen and almost a positive +/- player on the 2nd worst team in the league 

 

If you really think he'd only net a 6th as return just think of a reference point.  He's at worst worth a 2nd and 3rd.  Just for reference, look at the returns Polak has net the Leafs over the years.  I'd say it's comparable really.  Multiple 2nds etc or an addition as part of a larger trade.

 

You don't just throw away pieces that net returns.

 

Either way, at some point in the next season or 2 someone(s) have to leave to start making room for OJ and the rest of the prospects pushing up the ranks.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

That's the way you are it and more power to you.  Others see letting sbisa go, who is younger, cheaper and much more physical, as a bigger mistake.  Edler has done good things in van, but his best days are very clearly behind him.

My entire point is to not let ANYONE go for free. Sbisa included. 

 

It's a plan of momentous stupidity and should be avoided if it all possible. 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, J.R. said:

My entire point is to not let ANYONE go for free. Sbisa included. 

 

It's a plan of momentous stupidity and should be avoided if it all possible. 

 

 

With that, I agree.  Make a deal if possible, but Edler has been pretty adamant about not waiving his ntc, and I think we have to go with that assumption

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13 minutes ago, stawns said:

With that, I agree.  Make a deal if possible, but Edler has been pretty adamant about not waiving his ntc, and I think we have to go with that assumption

Kesler didn't ask for a trade. Bieksa was going down with the ship. 

 

And if not, you move Tanev. At this point, I'm fine moving either or both. (Or Sbisa for that matter, though IMO there won't be a market before the ED and he obviously represents less of a return).

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2 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Kesler didn't ask for a trade. Bieksa was going down with the ship. 

 

And if not, you move Tanev. At this point, I'm fine moving either or both. (Or Sbisa for that matter, though IMO there won't be a market before the ED and he obviously represents less of a return).

I'm saying you can only speculate on what we know, for sure.  Could it unfold differently?  Of course

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17 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'm saying you can only speculate on what we know, for sure.  Could it unfold differently?  Of course

Why are we speculating on the stupidest and least likely route?

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How is juolevi doing with the Knights in the playoffs,  I see they forced another game 7, I hope it's on TV.   I see it's been a low scoring affair against Erie, with most goals coming from a couple of players.  Someone in this thread did a play by play analysis  of Juolevi that was very informative and not to mention bloody cool, if that guy can step up and give us the lowdown please. 

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1 hour ago, J.R. said:

Kesler didn't ask for a trade. Bieksa was going down with the ship. 

 

And if not, you move Tanev. At this point, I'm fine moving either or both. (Or Sbisa for that matter, though IMO there won't be a market before the ED and he obviously represents less of a return).

Kesler totally asked to be traded: http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2014/6/28/5851878/the-truth-comes-out-as-kesler-leaves

 

"With Ryan, when I took the job, he came to me and asked to be moved." OK, I thought Kesler said the opposite. And make no mistake, Benning's not lying here.

 

EDIT: I think you were being facetious. I always have a hard time picking up on your tongue cheek humour without any clear indicators! Haha :P

 

it is always the case though that a player will want to move on when they know they aren't wanted anymore. GM JB and TL have stated loyalty to the Sedins but anyone else is fair game.

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4 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Sooo... he's worth less than Larsen?

Prior to the expansion draft a 5th or 6th might be all you can get for a player like Sbisa that you would have to expose to the ED. His value would probably double after the ED.

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37 minutes ago, two drink minimum said:

When you put that way. I now see the error of my ways. Thanks for setting me straight

LOL - awesome comeback.   I like you.    

 

Cheers.    

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