Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, CaptainCanuck said: I certainly haven't given up hope for OJ yet. I haven't had a chance to watch him much, but from what I've seen he's looked solid. Not special or spectacular in any way, but solid. If he can turn into a 2nd pairing d-man I'll be ok with the pick. The Canucks have plenty of forward prospects and definitely need help on defense. That being said, to all those defending OJ saying he'll be better than Tkachuk, sorry, I'm not buying it. Anyone who can come into the NHL at 18 and do what he did is a pretty special. Looks like he could be on his way to a 20 goal season this year and he just turned 20. Don't like Tkachuk? Fine. Keller and Sergechev are looking stellar this year too. The draft is a crapshoot. I don't blame Benning for the pick. He clearly saw something in OJ that he liked and I'm fine with him going off the board a bit if he feels like it's the right call. But if you can honestly say right now that if given the chance to go back to that draft you would take OJ again, I'm sorry, give your head a shake. There were clearly better options available. Benning obviously can't come out and say it but I'm sure even he wouldn't make that pick again. It's ok to admit the Canucks made a mistake guys. It doesn't make you any less of a fan. Every organization makes mistakes, Canucks included. Patrick White was massive error in judgment and San Jose's error in trading for him was even larger than Vancouver in drafting him. With OJ, he was a consensus top pick for his draft and he remains on track to be a very solid NHL player commensurate with his draft slot. He was far from a "mistake" and the fact that even a hint of patience is required for a prospect, a kid, results in a "mistake and if you don't admit it, you are an apologist (or whatever the silly terms that get used), seems at odds with logic given past experiences with your own organization. Sedins didn't show up in NHL right away after drafting and didn't exactly light it up in their first few seasons but in the end are HOF locks as the pedigree was there. I am sure some called them "mistakes" too. Go back on this board and "Boeser was a mistake" posts are a plenty. In terms of this kid, OJ, he has barely started shaving and some people are writing him off. He has played extremely well in his first year as a professional and is doing just fine at WJC in that he controls the play each/every shift he has been on the ice - no firesale panics...just the nice calming influence that can be the foundation to a championship defensive core. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GB5 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 It is a very rare thing for an 18 year old d-man to step right into the NHL and make an impact or even get to play at all. Not everyone is as good as Ekblad and is able to do this, it usually take several years of development. Duncan Keith didn't play until 3-4 years after his draft year, same trajectory for his team mate Seabiscuit. OJ is in his draft +2 year so there is nothing to be concerned about here. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Lock Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, CaptainCanuck said: I certainly haven't given up hope for OJ yet. I haven't had a chance to watch him much, but from what I've seen he's looked solid. Not special or spectacular in any way, but solid. If he can turn into a 2nd pairing d-man I'll be ok with the pick. The Canucks have plenty of forward prospects and definitely need help on defense. That being said, to all those defending OJ saying he'll be better than Tkachuk, sorry, I'm not buying it. Anyone who can come into the NHL at 18 and do what he did is a pretty special. Looks like he could be on his way to a 20 goal season this year and he just turned 20. Don't like Tkachuk? Fine. Keller and Sergechev are looking stellar this year too. The draft is a crapshoot. I don't blame Benning for the pick. He clearly saw something in OJ that he liked and I'm fine with him going off the board a bit if he feels like it's the right call. But if you can honestly say right now that if given the chance to go back to that draft you would take OJ again, I'm sorry, give your head a shake. There were clearly better options available. Benning obviously can't come out and say it but I'm sure even he wouldn't make that pick again. It's ok to admit the Canucks made a mistake guys. It doesn't make you any less of a fan. I am going to say pretty much what I said to chilliwiggins regarding him wanting Konechy over Boeser not even a year ago as I will say to you regarding Juolevi: it's too early. You are the one jumping to conclusions on a player who is still in development and showing improvement. Is Sergachev currently in the NHL and Juolevi is not? Of course. Does it mean Sergachev will be the better player in the end? Nope. It doesn't mean a thing at this point. Until Juolevi enters the NHL and shows what he can do, it's up in the air. It's not rocket science to figure this out. So, rather than going all "it's okay to admit a mistake" and "give your head a shake", understand the process of what it takes to get into the NHL. Understand that not every player takes the same path. Most importantly, understand that it's way too early to make the accusations you are making and that you yourself are playing with fire should Juolevi prove to become a much better player and the right pick in the end. Edited December 30, 2017 by The Lock 1 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 21 hours ago, NHL'er said: Connor - Barzal - Boeser Connor and Barzal. Boeser was ranked a little bit lower. Though Minnesota had a chance to draft the hometown kid but took Eriksson Ek who's struggled mightily in the NHL (albeit still a rookie). Though Wild fans are pretty pissed and sad they missed out on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, CaptainCanuck said: I certainly haven't given up hope for OJ yet. I haven't had a chance to watch him much, but from what I've seen he's looked solid. Not special or spectacular in any way, but solid. If he can turn into a 2nd pairing d-man I'll be ok with the pick. The Canucks have plenty of forward prospects and definitely need help on defense. That being said, to all those defending OJ saying he'll be better than Tkachuk, sorry, I'm not buying it. Anyone who can come into the NHL at 18 and do what he did is a pretty special. Looks like he could be on his way to a 20 goal season this year and he just turned 20. Don't like Tkachuk? Fine. Keller and Sergechev are looking stellar this year too. The draft is a crapshoot. I don't blame Benning for the pick. He clearly saw something in OJ that he liked and I'm fine with him going off the board a bit if he feels like it's the right call. But if you can honestly say right now that if given the chance to go back to that draft you would take OJ again, I'm sorry, give your head a shake. There were clearly better options available. Benning obviously can't come out and say it but I'm sure even he wouldn't make that pick again. It's ok to admit the Canucks made a mistake guys. It doesn't make you any less of a fan. The only guy to take instead of OJ would be Serge. This team needed ot address it defence. Is MT that good??? He may hit twenty this year, Boeser just hit that and more. With Boeser in the bank and the absolute lack of d prospects why would JB take a winger over one of the top d men?? BTW, IMO Jake would hit twenty easily with MT’s icetime and his linemates. Brower would have been a much better and cheaper signing than Loui. To me Gadjovich plays a similar game and IMO has a better nose for the net. MT had a huge advantage over many prospects as he had access to NHL trainers and coaches from childhood. That early lead is what made him able to play pro so quickly. OJ needed to grow and get stronger. We all knew that. Only the impatient would want MT over OJ. Serge vs Mcavoy vs OJ, well that is another matter. Serge and McAvoy are playing with Norris level d men and in Serge’s case, having players like Stamkos and Kucherov. No one can claim to know which defender will have the better career. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: It will be interesting how you frame it when OJ is killing it in a few years and MT has weaseled his way to Sean Avery status. OJ is the type of player you can construct a team around. MT is the type of player that destroys “teams” and puts a bullseye on your best players. Since Benning arrived in Vancouver, he has consistently preached "character" as an attribute as part of his decisions in the draft. I think most of us know he means "good character". MT doesn't epitomize the positive part of that attribute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, CaptainCanuck said: I certainly haven't given up hope for OJ yet. I haven't had a chance to watch him much, but from what I've seen he's looked solid. Not special or spectacular in any way, but solid. If he can turn into a 2nd pairing d-man I'll be ok with the pick. The Canucks have plenty of forward prospects and definitely need help on defense. That being said, to all those defending OJ saying he'll be better than Tkachuk, sorry, I'm not buying it. Anyone who can come into the NHL at 18 and do what he did is a pretty special. Looks like he could be on his way to a 20 goal season this year and he just turned 20. Don't like Tkachuk? Fine. Keller and Sergechev are looking stellar this year too. The draft is a crapshoot. I don't blame Benning for the pick. He clearly saw something in OJ that he liked and I'm fine with him going off the board a bit if he feels like it's the right call. But if you can honestly say right now that if given the chance to go back to that draft you would take OJ again, I'm sorry, give your head a shake. There were clearly better options available. Benning obviously can't come out and say it but I'm sure even he wouldn't make that pick again. It's ok to admit the Canucks made a mistake guys. It doesn't make you any less of a fan. Like others have pointed out, I wouldn’t consider missing the very best player available as a “mistake” so long as you’re making solid picks and building a good team. Yes, right now there’s a solid crop of early developers making it in the NHL - that’s fine - and if they redrafted today they’d go earlier than Olli. But while you may not want to hear it; it really is still way too early to be calling anything in regards to these kids. Tkachuk on pace for 20 this year doesn’t guarantee squat for the rest of his career - especially with the chancy game he plays. For what it’s worth I wanted Sergachev at the draft. “Tkachuk or the best d man available” was my quote and I leaned Sergachev despite rumours we were taking Juolevi - but let’s be honest. Serg for all his success is playing a cushy 15 minutes a night and 70% ozone starts with elite teammates - not the situation we could have rolled out for him in Van. You need defense to win - why I’m very happy with Pettersson now but still wanted Makar going in to last draft too. Olli is a different kind of player than Keller/Tkachuk/Serg : he’s way less flashy or noticeable but plays a very smart game. With that said, he has great offensive instincts, will put up points and has a lanky 6”3 frame that will allow him to fill out to 200+. All the experts seem to agree he’s still a great prospect and he’s having a fantastic year in a men’s league overseas. He was also always touted as a longer project given how skinny he was when drafted. We have no need for him on the roster this year with the low expectations so I can’t fathom the need to make premature comparisons with the early peakers. Not to mention if we had yet another forward in this spot we’d be even more ridiculously forward heavy than we already are. We’re lacking in quality d prospects as it is. Edited December 30, 2017 by ilduce39 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Great Canucks Posted December 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2017 Even if we were to go back and pick someone else instead of OJ, I sure as f@#$ wouldn't take Tkachuk. I would take Sergachev, McAvoy, or Keller instead. I don't know why people are still drooling over that loser Tkachuk. Sure, a pretty good player, but he has done nothing yet to prove that he is elite. 2 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 35 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said: Even if we were to go back and pick someone else instead of OJ, I sure as f@#$ wouldn't take Tkachuk. I would take Sergachev, McAvoy, or Keller instead. I don't know why people are still drooling over that loser Tkachuk. Sure, a pretty good player, but he has done nothing yet to prove that he is elite. Plus. Plus. Plus. One. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Idk why people are upset over Serg. I would rather have McAvoy 10/10 times McAvoy is already being used as a #1D and Sergachev is being sheltered albeit he has the best team you could have sheltering him. Sergachev is playing 15 minutes a night, mainly offensively, as it stands and McAvoy is playing 23 minutes a night. Whatever though. Bruins missed out on both Barzal and Boeser while having 3 firsts. Serg was traded. Every team makes mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendary10 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Sorry if I missed it but has anyone heard any updates from Salo regarding OJ's progression and potential ceiling? I'd rate his opinion at this time as golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jking Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Well put, but I would just add that Juolevi was in everyone’s top 8 so Benning didn’t really go off the board. Well, there was that audible groan in the building when Benning announced his pick. If I recall correctly, Winter Soldier was the only person here who wanted us to pick OJ prior to the actual draft. Edited December 30, 2017 by jking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: Idk why people are upset over Serg. I would rather have McAvoy 10/10 times McAvoy is already being used as a #1D and Sergachev is being sheltered albeit he has the best team you could have sheltering him. Sergachev is playing 15 minutes a night, mainly offensively, as it stands and McAvoy is playing 23 minutes a night. Whatever though. Bruins missed out on both Barzal and Boeser while having 3 firsts. Serg was traded. Every team makes mistakes. The funny thing is too, could you imagine the backlash on this board had we picked McAvoy and not even one of the "top d-men that were sure to be picked 1st out of all the d?.... like Juolevi?" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 36 minutes ago, jking said: Well, there was that audible groan in the building when Benning announced his pick. If I recall correctly, Winter Soldier was the only person here who wanted us to pick OJ prior to the actual draft. Your memory fails you. Many were very high on OJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 JB said OJs 2016 WJHC was one of the best he’d ever seen for a draft eligible d man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jking Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Your memory fails you. Many were very high on OJ. I guess. He had plenty of support at #2. A lot of people wanted Dubois. Two votes at #1 for OJ. Here's the groan. lol. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-select-olli-juolevi-5th-overall-pick-nhl-draft/ Edited December 30, 2017 by jking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, jking said: I guess. He had plenty of support at #2. A lot of people wanted Dubois. Two votes at #1 for OJ. Here's the groan. lol. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-select-olli-juolevi-5th-overall-pick-nhl-draft/ In combination with hockey "experts", OJ at 5 was a very sound pick. MT was only wanted by people who had not a clue about him and didn't follow the London Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 57 minutes ago, jking said: I guess. He had plenty of support at #2. A lot of people wanted Dubois. Two votes at #1 for OJ. Here's the groan. lol. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-select-olli-juolevi-5th-overall-pick-nhl-draft/ It’s a loud groan, surprised there was such a reaction as I doubt there were a lot of Canucks fans there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: It’s a loud groan, surprised there was such a reaction as I doubt there were a lot of Canucks fans there It was Calgary fans who wanted some class with Iginla moving on and now they were faced with taking MT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Legendary10 said: Sorry if I missed it but has anyone heard any updates from Salo regarding OJ's progression and potential ceiling? I'd rate his opinion at this time as golden. You ask and you shall receive. https://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/salo-juolevi-has-improved-his-effectiveness-in-defensive-zone-1.950169 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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