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1 hour ago, combover said:

Had we taken MT I wonder how many members right now would be saying they wished we took OJ instead. And the same ones adimittly saying they believe OJ’s  a better hockey player/pick  would be saying the same thing about him if he was in Calgary system ....right.

 

I don’t have anything against OJ I think he’ll be a very serviable dman for the Canucks in a few years.I just don’t see him as a special player or a player you build around he doesn’t  bring anything  unique or above average.i wasn’t impressed in training camp where he looked lost and in the wjc he’s played a like a safe/solid #3/4 dman he’s got good  passing  and skates well. 

AHL eligible next season and most likely where he be.

 

 

 

I guess my expectation of a guy taken 5th overall is a bit higher than an average player making his nhl debut 3-4 years after his draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said it before the draft, I said it during the draft and I will keep saying it.  I would never want a team I have interest in taking a player like MT.   Never.  Not a chance.   

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1 hour ago, combover said:

Had we taken MT I wonder how many members right now would be saying they wished we took OJ instead. And the same ones adimittly saying they believe OJ’s  a better hockey player/pick  would be saying the same thing about him if he was in Calgary system ....right.

 

I don’t have anything against OJ I think he’ll be a very serviable dman for the Canucks in a few years.I just don’t see him as a special player or a player you build around he doesn’t  bring anything  unique or above average.i wasn’t impressed in training camp where he looked lost and in the wjc he’s played a like a safe/solid #3/4 dman he’s got good  passing  and skates well. 

AHL eligible next season and most likely where he be.

 

 

 

I guess my expectation of a guy taken 5th overall is a bit higher than an average player making his nhl debut 3-4 years after his draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He will never be as slow or inconsistent as Edler.  And will be better on the scoresheet than any D we have had in decades.  My only complaint with him is the same complaint I had withLidstrom: you can watch whole games where you don't seem to notice him.  Not sure this is his problem or mine. lol. 

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45 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

The whinny cake face crowd is so predictable and boring. 

 

They sound like spoiled kids that got a toy, but think someone else got a better one, so they want that one instead. 

 

My three year has

better sense than that. 

 

MT is a decent pick, he is also a cheap shot artist and dirty player. Currently he has been suspended 3 times in less than two seasons. He had great minutes and had 17 goals last season. Was he even mentioned in the Calder race?  

 

Why does anyone have a hard on for that guy. Boeser will beat his NHL career totals this season, easily.  Has to be the current favourite to win the Calder. With him in the bank, do we need MT?  Gadjovich looks pretty good and would kick MT’s ass... in 2-3 years no one on the CDC will want to trade JG for MT straight up. 

 

Jake is scoring goals at a similar pace this year, with way less minutes and way worse line mates.  He did score 10 goals in 56 games as a rookie. That’s not far off MT’s rookie pace. 

 

There is only one player that has truly outshone OJ and that is McAvoy. That guy was a hell of a pick. 

 

With our dire need of defenders, why would anyone be hung up on ‘missing out on MT’. 

 

BTW whinny cake face, Boeser was not a ‘lucky pick’ he was the biggest steal on the draft.  Added to that EP looks to be another, Lind and Gadjovich are trending well. 

 

Maybe GMJB knows what the heck he is doing at the draft table and OJ is exactly what he wanted after PLD was taken early. Can’t say he has done any worse than JP. 

 

Maybe the coilers should have taken OJ instead?  

 

EmW

 

 

 

 

I agree completely. 

 

I think the only frustration most of us have with Juolevi is that he didn't step in as soon as possible,  Like Tkachuk did.  Technically, to be really fair, Juolevi may never make the NHL.  He isn't Tkachuk's equal until he plays enough to have completed a rookie season (40 games? not sure how many it is).  Like you, I believe that Juolevi will be one of the best D we have had since Ohlund and Salo, who knows, maybe much better.  But he actually hasn't made the NHL yet.  If he goes through 2018-2019  without making the Canucks... there will be a lot of grumbling.  And Sergachev was available, too -- more of us liked him than Juolevi.  Many of us were surprised when Juolevi was picked by Benning. 

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1 hour ago, combover said:

Had we taken MT I wonder how many members right now would be saying they wished we took OJ instead. And the same ones adimittly saying they believe OJ’s  a better hockey player/pick  would be saying the same thing about him if he was in Calgary system ....right.

 

I don’t have anything against OJ I think he’ll be a very serviable dman for the Canucks in a few years.I just don’t see him as a special player or a player you build around he doesn’t  bring anything  unique or above average.i wasn’t impressed in training camp where he looked lost and in the wjc he’s played a like a safe/solid #3/4 dman he’s got good  passing  and skates well. 

AHL eligible next season and most likely where he be.

 

 

 

I guess my expectation of a guy taken 5th overall is a bit higher than an average player making his nhl debut 3-4 years after his draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go to the PG Threads. You'll see pretty much everyone complaining about our defence for the exception of Tanev (Who folks still want to move, because he gets injured and he's not a big body). Then you get a big body who plays with an edge and fans get their knickers in a knot when he misses an assignment (Gudbranson). 

 

Are you telling me if training camp has Dahlin and Juolevi you'd hate it? 

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34 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I said it before the draft, I said it during the draft and I will keep saying it.  I would never want a team I have interest in taking a player like MT.   Never.  Not a chance.   

MT himself said that benning never even interviewed him. I wonder why... haha

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2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Darryl Keeping’s  (Canucks Army) postgame report highlights just how efficient Juolevi was in moving the puck yesterday:

 

EDIT: there are some format issues below that the editor won’t allow me to correct. The comments after the chart are mine, and shouldn’t have gotten moved inside the quote (don’t know why this happened, but the editor will not allow me to fix it and just erases everything when I try). :angry:

 

30-35% the amount of fail as the player in 2nd.  op lol.  If his pairing had one of the lowest amount of exits and the least failed attempts.  Does that not imply then they were in the end the least?  If they didnt need to escape the zone in the first place?  This fancy starts are complicated but I think I hit the nail on this one.  Please let me know llol,. if so thats damn impressive in its own. they quickest out with least failed attempts and were in the neutral or o zone the most likely.

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On 29/12/2017 at 9:11 PM, jking said:

Well, there was that audible groan in the building when Benning announced his pick. If I recall correctly, Winter Soldier was the only person here who wanted us to pick OJ prior to the actual draft.

I was, and continue to be, extremely pro Juolevi. He's going to be a hell of a D in a few years. 

 

FTR I would have loved to have picked up another top 10 pick and grabbed Sergachev as well. But I still would have taken OJ first. 

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Juolevi will be a great complimentary piece to our elusive quest for the championship!!  If he can be like Tanev but with a good slap shot or snap shot then I would be happy because that would be pretty effective compliment to a already dangerous bunch of forwards, I have seen that he can put the puck in specific spots for forward tip-ins.

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There's a lot to Juolevi that reminds me of Luc Bourdon (RIP).  Really solid defensively, good hockey sense, makes a good outlet pass and a great partner for a more offensive-minded guy.  Bourdon also went immediately before a guy who went on to produce a lot of points, while Luc stayed in junior and had to refine his craft further in the AHL.  A ton of people would complain that we should have drafted Kopitar.  Sadly, Luc passed away just as he was starting to show why we drafted him at the spot we did.  We've shied from taking defensemen in the first round since Bourdon, which isn't the best way to build a balanced team. 

 

As a fan base, we can learn from Luc's time with us and accept that defensemen who play his game often have to go through a longer process to become polished NHLers.  OJ may never be a big point producer, but he'll be a stabilizing influence on the back end who can be relied on in any situation.  That's a hell of a hockey player and a good use of the pick.

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

And Juolevi takes body contact to free up pucks.  I’ve noticed a lot of those other guys don’t.  

By all accounts that's something he has been working on with Salo. He was always a good defender and this year under Salo's tutelage Juolevi is learning to use his skating and stick work to neutralize and angle off opposition forwards and to use his body to free up pucks. He's learning to play proactively using his skating, stick, and body to neutralize opposition offensive threats when they come into his zone. 

 

To to be honest, I would've been quite happy that he's learning to play a solid defensive game, but on top of that his transition game (see: controlled defensive zone exits + minimal failure rate) and offensive game seem to be picking up quite nicely as well. Ryan Suter type player. Not flashy. Not overly physical despite having pretty good size. But he will play in all situations, be your top shutdown guy and have multiple 30-40 point seasons.

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1 hour ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

Juolevi will be a great complimentary piece to our elusive quest for the championship!!  If he can be like Tanev but with a good slap shot or snap shot then I would be happy because that would be pretty effective compliment to a already dangerous bunch of forwards, I have seen that he can put the puck in specific spots for forward tip-ins.

 I'm thinking more like a keith or seabrook.

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3 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

u are going strong 2 days in a row 

I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.

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4 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.

He also went on the criticize Heisakanen for doing the same thing, shooting from the perimeters on the PP. To me the downfall for Finland is not enough skill forwards to work with the stack D they have got. A lot of the times, these offensive minded defenseman often felt the pressure to generate offense themselves. Hence that's why they are shooting more and hope to get one in.

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1 minute ago, Butters Stoch said:

What'd he say?

 

7 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.

 

2 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:

He also went on the criticize Heisakanen for doing the same thing, shooting from the perimeters on the PP. To me the downfall for Finland is not enough skill forwards to work with the stack D they have got. A lot of the times, these offensive minded defenseman often felt the pressure to generate offense themselves. Hence that's why they are shooting more and hope to get one in.

 

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10 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I feel like he's too bitchy sometimes. Juolevi took a shot on a PP and he was raving why would Juolevi shoot from there, easy save for the goalie blah blah blah. "I'm beginning to question whether or not Juolevi has any creative skills", Then they talk about how Juolevi looks disinterested in last years and this year's tournament. Just the constant nagging.

I think you're overreacting. All he did was say that that was a bad shot... which it was. 

 

You also completely fabricated what Ferraro said. He said "I don't know if he is going to be as creative as they had hoped" and then said something about his decisions with the puck not being very creative... which is also true. He is steady, he is not fancy. He also said he was having a better year in the Finnish league.

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10 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

I think you're overreacting. All he did was say that that was a bad shot... which it was. 

 

You also completely fabricated what Ferraro said. He said "I don't know if he is going to be as creative as they had hoped" and then said something about his decisions with the puck not being very creative... which is also true. He is steady, he is not fancy. He also said he was having a better year in the Finnish league.

My bad and I apologize. 

 

But he's still way too overly critical of things. I didn't think it was a bad shot. Yeah there was no traffic but it wasn't like Juolevi shot it from a crazy angle. It was just above the left faceoff dot and I'm sure he was trying to get it on net and get a juicy rebound for his teammates. Not a bad shot at all. This is a Finland team that's struggled to score goals.

 

His assist yesterday was similar but instead he aimed for the crease rather than at net. His "he's looked disinterested" comments kind of threw me off.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I was, and continue to be, extremely pro Juolevi. He's going to be a hell of a D in a few years. 

 

FTR I would have loved to have picked up another top 10 pick and grabbed Sergachev as well. But I still would have taken OJ first. 

Okay...you are on the record. Let me be on the record as hating the pick when it occurred and hating it more and more as time passes, until he made a nice assist yesterday, at which time my hatred ceased to increase for a moment. Just starting to watch today. 

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