Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: What happens once he gets bored playing against NHLers? And what will his facial expressions look like??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 He will fit right in with what we are trying to build. To the Edler comparisons; Juolevi moves the puck better than Edler. He will be great for us at getting the puck to guys like Boeser/Pettersson/Horvat/exc. And he should really help the powerplay once he establishes himself. I think he's got the best upside as a PP defenseman out of all the guys we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted January 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: I'm sorry, but he does make some careless (i.e. lackadaisical) shots, backchecks, and plays sometimes. He's not some infallible prospect who never makes mistakes like some on here make him seem. It's just an area that he can improve on. A little less lack and a little more urgency. Is that not ok to say? These boards are so polarizing: it's either blind love or hate for our players. You of all people, Zepp, should be able to have a balanced discussion about a player - I've read you on these boards complaining of others not being able to, so what gives when it comes to OJ? I can't stand MT, btw, if that helps any. Sorry if you felt singled out....I just get so frustrated with people who overly criticize these kids while they are clearly still developing and MOST currently in the stable are showing excellent development. Of course he makes mistakes and of course he will all through his career - every player does - and I don't think anyone should defend him when he does or say he is immune to bone headedness or bad games. I just think that none of these prospects are "lazy" or they simply wouldn't be in the discussion for NHL spots. Some get frozen into inaction from their fear of mistakes, some get confused on where to be at times but more often than not, NOT doing something is the best move on the ice and in particular for a Dman. What impresses me the most about OJ, a player I have seen since he was 15, is that he is almost never out of position. For a guy who rushes up the ice and joins the offense quite a bit, I can count in my head and still have some of my ten fingers left the number of times I have seen him give up an odd man rush due to a poor decision on coverage and that is in seeing him play likely a combined 50 to 80 times over the past four-five years. The thing I have with OJ is admittedly a bit biased I have, as above, know about him for a long while and also have people in my circle that are associated with London so have another tie-in there. The kid oozes leadership - to the point where he took on the Finnish Federation after last year's tourney and essentially found himself without a letter on his sweater or a spot in the first pairing in spite of being their best Dman by quite a margin this tournament and has also had a great first professional season. I like discussion on players. I don't like people calling them things like "soft", "lazy" or similar as these are elite athletes trying to get to the top of the world's best league and have sacrificed all manner of normal young people things to get there and will continue to do so if they are lucky enough to turn their prospect status into a professional career. I think people forget these are human beings, essentially kids, when they hurl some of the stuff they do. Virtanen was the first one on these boards I thought was abused being logic and people started in on all sorts of fabricated crap....even suggesting as recently as last evening that him being out of the line-up was due to "off-ice issues" when he had the flu. Rant done. Sorry, wasn't trying to single you out. I like your posts and you seem to give them some good thought. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said: If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot He may simply surpass all of them and let them fight it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCprincipal Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said: If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot Elder and Hutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Odd. said: I think a lot of people are getting confused by this "he looks disinterested" remark with his non-flashy, calm, smooth and collected game. Again he's not going to wow you every time he touches the puck. Skating all over the ice doesn't make you a great player, just ask Bartkowski. Juolevi was easily the best defenseman (along with Jokiharju) for Finland in that tournament. I'm glad his point totals reflect that. IMO, if Juolevi can bring the exact kind of game he had during the WJC to training camp/preseason, he's easily going to crack our futile defense. Juolevi/Stecher pairing would look very nice. that's one of the huge difference, between a hockey fan that can recognize talent, vs ones that only know how to watch the "flash and dash" type approach. if we were to scout for the canucks most of em wouldn't be able to identify talents like Boeser, who isn't a flashy player himself. It's quite hard to see these type of players also not that hard. I see a ton of Ryan Suter in Olli Juolevi, although I don't dare to say he will be at that level, but I do see that type of style in Juolevi. Personally I though he was a Beaut, and there were instances were Juolevi had more ice time then the so called top dman pairing in Heskanen's line. comining into the tourny Juolevi was the 2nd pairing dman, Hesikanen, Valilamki was the top pairing. on the games where it was easy sailing for Finland that line reamined the top line, but in big games like vs Canada and Czech he was their top pairing because the Heskainen line kept on being exposed. goes to show that he was their best player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: I'm sorry, but he does make some careless (i.e. lackadaisical) shots, backchecks, and plays sometimes. He's not some infallible prospect who never makes mistakes like some on here make him seem. It's just an area that he can improve on. A little less lack and a little more urgency. Is that not ok to say? These boards are so polarizing: it's either blind love or hate for our players. You of all people, Zepp, should be able to have a balanced discussion about a player - I've read you on these boards complaining of others not being able to, so what gives when it comes to OJ? I can't stand MT, btw, if that helps any. I don't know why people are arguing against this notion. Having to play a more consistent game with intensity is what MOST prospects have to do in order to make it to the pros - it is what Virtanen had to learn the hard way and it is what Goldobin is currently learning as well. For Juolevi, the things that will determine whether he makes the team next year are his consistent intensity level and his foot speed. He has the ability to do so - as we have seen it perviously. If he can bring his 'A' game on regular basis like he did in this tournaments last game, he will be better than just a "solid" prospect/player. He tends to pick it up when the games matter more, so if he only ends up bringing his 'A' game during the playoffs, then I am fine with that too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: I read many of the posts on this thread and wonder how people can possibly know what a kid is thinking on an ice sheet based upon what they themselves are seeing from a skewed version of events on a television set. Further, if any one has ever played hockey beyond the beer league/house league level you will know full well that what happens at ice level and who is really controlling the game is very hard to see at times from the stands let alone a television set. It is from that above perspective that leads me to conclude, when I see things like people questioning passion for the game or intensity or even effort (the term lackadaisical was farcically used), that it seems to be more "fun" for people to invent issues for their team's prospects than support that prospect. NO ONE at the World Junior level is "lackadaisical" and NO ONE lacks passion for the game. Good grief. I call these people "stat sheets" scouts. hfboards.com is popular for that crap. also I call em. "TV scouts" which they will decide on a players projection based on a game they saw on tv and just remember that performance. Quote Further, if any one has ever played hockey beyond the beer league/house league level actually even at an intermediate level beer league level, you can start to somewhat relate to what happens in hockey in general. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, HomeBrew said: I don't know why people are arguing against this notion. Having to play a more consistent game with intensity is what MOST prospects have to do in order to make it to the pros - it is what Virtanen had to learn the hard way and it is what Goldobin is currently learning as well. For Juolevi, the things that will determine whether he makes the team next year are his consistent intensity level and his foot speed. He has the ability to do so - as we have seen it perviously. If he can bring his 'A' game on regular basis like he did in this tournaments last game, he will be better than just a "solid" prospect/player. He tends to pick it up when the games matter more, so if he only ends up bringing his 'A' game during the playoffs, then I am fine with that too. I think it's because CDC isn't used to reading actual hockey talk rather than constant undue criticism or homerism, so it's easy to take some peoples' opinions the wrong way. I really hope he gets a chance to play with Tanev at some point. I really like the TanMan as an example of being calm, cool, and collective yet always with a sense of urgency. I'd like to see him cut some weight as well, now that he's bulked up, to help with his mobility/foot speed. He's already so sound positionally, but once he gets to a more manageable playing weight I think it'll make his game even easier for him. And I think that's the thing with his high IQ, is that the game is easy for him, hence feeling bored of playing against junior-level players. I'm looking forward to seeing him play against the best of the best. I hope he'll be ready next year, simply for CDCs sake 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I look at a player like Chabot in Ottawa. All the hype around him and he is taking awhile to come along. Not a long while. A normal development path. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot Elder, Edler, Edler, and Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot Hutton.i hope hes dealt at the TDL tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: If Juolevi earns a spot on our LD next season who would you have him replace? -Edler -Hutton -Del Zotto -Pouliot As much of a fan of Edler I am (and defender of the unwarranted abuse he takes) I'd love to see him moved to a contender at this TDL. Go in to next year with something like: Hutton, Tanev MDZ, Gudbranson Pouliot, Stecher Holme, Biega Juolevi can start in Utica, get call ups with injuries and then called up when we move MDZ next TDL. Edler 50% retained to TBL for Cal Foot please. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, aGENT said: Edler 50% retained to TBL for Cal Foot please. This ain't EA sports bro. And Steve Yzerman ain't Peter Chiarelli. Edited January 4, 2018 by CanuckGAME 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 56 minutes ago, aGENT said: Edler 50% retained to TBL for Cal Foot please. Why on earth would tampa ever do that haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 hours ago, CanuckGAME said: This ain't EA sports bro. And Steve Yzerman ain't Peter Chiarelli. 7 hours ago, cyoung said: Why on earth would tampa ever do that haha. He'd vastly improve their D now and help them to go on a couple solid cup runs. We'd maybe have to add a touch of sweetener. Let me guess, you guys think Edler sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Elder, Edler, Edler, and Edler. OMG We got 4 Edlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, aGENT said: He'd vastly improve their D now and help them to go on a couple solid cup runs. We'd maybe have to add a touch of sweetener. Let me guess, you guys think Edler sucks? How would be vastly improved their D? Their left side is Hedman Sergachev Coburn No way he dethrones hedman or sergachev. Is he even that much of an upgrade over Coburn? Also what would happen to Coburn if he did slot in as 3ld? I doubt they want his 3.7 in the press box. Tampas right side is much weaker. But elder can barely play the left anymore let alone the right. It would make much more sense to send them tanev for a massive return. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: How would be vastly improved their D? Their left side is Hedman Sergachev Coburn No way he dethrones hedman or sergachev. Is he even that much of an upgrade over Coburn? Also what would happen to Coburn if he did slot in as 3ld? I doubt they want his 3.7 in the press box. Tampas right side is much weaker. But elder can barely play the left anymore let alone the right. It would make much more sense to send them tanev for a massive return. Of course he doesn't 'dethrone' () Hedman but I hate to break it to you, he's still a better overall D than Sergachev (and his sheltered offensive deployment) and likely will be for the vast majority/all of his remaining term. He'd also allow them to keep sheltering Sergachev until he's ready for harder deployment. He's miles better than Coburn. And no they probably wouldn't have him sitting in the press box. Perhaps Serg plays right side or they move him in a separate deal or maybe we take him back instead of retaining on Edler. Edited January 4, 2018 by aGENT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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