73 Percent Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Of course he doesn't 'dethrone' () Hedman but I hate to break it to you, he's still a better overall D than Sergachev (and his sheltered offensive deployment) and likely will be for the vast majority/all of his remaining term. He'd also allow them to keep sheltering Sergachev until he's ready for harder deployment. He's miles better than Coburn. And no they probably wouldn't have him sitting in the press box. Perhaps Serg plays right side or they move him in a separate deal or maybe we take him back instead of retaining on Edler. Seems like a hell of a lot of messing around to acquire a slow, past his prime, non physical defenseman who doesn't produce offence. Edited January 4, 2018 by 73 Percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Seems like a hell of a lot of messing around to acquire a slow, past his prime, non physical defenseman who doesn't produce offence. 2 hours ago, aGENT said: Let me guess, you guys think Edler sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, aGENT said: If he's so great why are you so eager to trade him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 73 Percent said: If he's so great why are you so eager to trade him. Because we're rebuilding not contending like TBL. Because he's not going to be around when we are contending again. Because he has value as a very good D I'd like to see us capitalize on for the rebuild. Because we have an abundance of left D depth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: How would be vastly improved their D? Their left side is Hedman Sergachev Coburn No way he dethrones hedman or sergachev. Is he even that much of an upgrade over Coburn? Also what would happen to Coburn if he did slot in as 3ld? I doubt they want his 3.7 in the press box. Tampas right side is much weaker. But elder can barely play the left anymore let alone the right. It would make much more sense to send them tanev for a massive return. Yep, you’d have to wonder what role a player like Edler would fill on the bolts left side. If Edler is replacing Coburn, that means Edler would be taking on the 66% dzone starts and the shutdown role that Coburn currently plays for the Bolts. Is Edler capable of playing that type of role well? Would he be an upgrade as a shutdown D over Coburn? Potentially but would they pay that type of cost for a small of upgrade, probably not. We also know that he wouldn’t be an upgrade offensively over Hedman or Sergachev, in 39 games Sergachev has 26 points, Elder has only cracked 26 points once in the last 6 seasons, so it’s not like he’s an upgrade on the left side. On the right side they have Stralman, Dotchin, Girdardi and Sustr. Sustr and Dotchin have been rotating but that is the one area they could use an upgrade on, for a playoff run. Long term Dotchin looks like he will be a top 4 D and they have Foote on the way. So really if they are looking for an upgrade for a playoff run, it would be found on the right side. The only way they’d move Foote is if the player in return they get back is young enough to make Foote’s skillset not needed in the future. Edler is 1 year and a bit away from UFA and he’s been on the decline for the last few years, he’s not the type of guy you trade you’re top D prospect for. They’d likely trade away picks before they’d consider moving him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 For the people saying we missed on McCavoy. Maybe we did. But so did many teams. He would go lot higher in a redraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, CeeBee51 said: OMG We got 4 Edlers? Yip... and some times it the better of the 4 that plays, and sometimes its the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Juolevi will be a very solid, composed defensive defenseman. Canucks still need a puck moving D that can score goals though. Hutton and Stecher barely score, if at all, so who's that guy? Pouliot? Canucks need Dahlin in the worst way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep, you’d have to wonder what role a player like Edler would fill on the bolts left side. If Edler is replacing Coburn, that means Edler would be taking on the 66% dzone starts and the shutdown role that Coburn currently plays for the Bolts. Is Edler capable of playing that type of role well? Would he be an upgrade as a shutdown D over Coburn? Potentially but would they pay that type of cost for a small of upgrade, probably not. We also know that he wouldn’t be an upgrade offensively over Hedman or Sergachev, in 39 games Sergachev has 26 points, Elder has only cracked 26 points once in the last 6 seasons, so it’s not like he’s an upgrade on the left side. On the right side they have Stralman, Dotchin, Girdardi and Sustr. Sustr and Dotchin have been rotating but that is the one area they could use an upgrade on, for a playoff run. Long term Dotchin looks like he will be a top 4 D and they have Foote on the way. So really if they are looking for an upgrade for a playoff run, it would be found on the right side. The only way they’d move Foote is if the player in return they get back is young enough to make Foote’s skillset not needed in the future. Edler is 1 year and a bit away from UFA and he’s been on the decline for the last few years, he’s not the type of guy you trade you’re top D prospect for. They’d likely trade away picks before they’d consider moving him. TBay will be a serious CUP contender and might make a move for a d-man simply for depth. Edler might even consider that as Ohlund retired there. Hedman is there. Who knows? Still prefer that Tanev is moved if a choice had to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 hours ago, aGENT said: He'd vastly improve their D now and help them to go on a couple solid cup runs. We'd maybe have to add a touch of sweetener. Let me guess, you guys think Edler sucks? My point is atm Edler is a top6 on a strong team like Tampa. Why would they move a player who has the potential to be a top 2 for a defenseman past his prime who has maybe 2-3 years left. It wouldn't improve their team that much and would hinder their future haha. I don't mind Edler, but that's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, cyoung said: My point is atm Edler is a top6 on a strong team like Tampa. Why would they move a player who has the potential to be a top 2 for a defenseman past his prime who has maybe 2-3 years left. It wouldn't improve their team that much and would hinder their future haha. I don't mind Edler, but that's crazy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey2 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If Tampa traded Cal Foote to us for anyone on our roster I would be pleasantly surprised. Doubtful, but dreamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Ya Edler isn't the missing piece haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, cyoung said: Ya Edler isn't the missing piece haha. Sell me one of your spare crystal balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, cyoung said: My point is atm Edler is a top6 on a strong team like Tampa. Why would they move a player who has the potential to be a top 2 for a defenseman past his prime who has maybe 2-3 years left. It wouldn't improve their team that much and would hinder their future haha. I don't mind Edler, but that's crazy. Maybe by the time Foote is ready Kucherov loses a step, Stamkos is getting injured a lot or their goaltending sucks. You never know what could happen by then but what you do know is a player like Edler sure makes them better this year to go all in for a cup then Foote does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: Sell me one of your spare crystal balls? No way! Iv just got the one and it's broken half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, cyoung said: Ya Edler isn't the missing piece haha. If Edler isn't being played like a top D-man/goaltender he would be an effective support player. Wouldn't be a bad addition to a team looking to gain an edge. If they would pay a top D prospect for him I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: If Edler isn't being played like a top D-man/goaltender he would be an effective support player. Wouldn't be a bad addition to a team looking to gain an edge. If they would pay a top D prospect for him I'm not so sure. I agree Edler has value in a bottom pairing role and can kill penalties and potentially play pp, my whole point was there is no way they give up Foote for him haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, cyoung said: I agree Edler has value in a bottom pairing role and can kill penalties and potentially play pp, my whole point was there is no way they give up Foote for him haha. I never thought we would get Dahlen for Burrows either. Can never tell how another GM values players/prospects and how desperate they are to go for it now. Perhaps Foote is not as high on their depth chart as other people might believe. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, cyoung said: I agree Edler has value in a bottom pairing role and can kill penalties and potentially play pp, my whole point was there is no way they give up Foote for him haha. Edler is easily a top 4 D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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