Popular Post aGENT Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: People need to remember that this wasn't a bad pick. Just very unfortunate injury trouble that should not look bad on Juolevi or Benning. Keep your hopes up guys. If Juolevi ever does work his way out of this injury bug we still could have a top 4D. Yeah I get a bit tired with the Captain Hindisghting that seems to follow this player around like a black, angry cloud. 'BAD PICK!' The day of the draft, either him or Tkachuck were perfectly acceptable picks at #5 (as would have Keller or Sergachev). I'm sure even some folks around here were pulling for Nylander or Jost. They were all largely (as far as my hazy recollection anyway) in the same, +/-next tier of players, outside the top 4. NOBODY knew on draft day that Juolevi was going to be injured half of his 4, post draft years. And without those injuries there's a pretty strong likelihood the kid would have been thought of as a solid pick and possibly on the Canucks by now (if not the home run Tkachuck ended up as for Calgary). But to try and act like the Canucks were absolute morons for taking him at 5 is hindsight, revisionist horse $&!#. Edited November 20, 2019 by aGENT 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yeah I get a bit tired with the Captain Hindisghting that seems to follow this player around like a black, angry cloud. 'BAD PICK!' The day of the draft, either him or Tkachuck were perfectly acceptable picks at #5 (as would have Keller or Sergachev). I'm sure even some folks around here were pulling for Nylander or Jost. They were all largely (as far as my hazy recollection anyway) in the same, +/-next tier of players, outside the top 4. NOBODY knew on draft day that Juolevi was going to be injured half of his 4, post draft years. And without those injuries there's a pretty strong likelihood the kid would have been thought of as a solid pick and possibly on the Canucks by now (if not the home run Tkachuck ended up as for Calgary). But to try and act like the Canucks were absolute morons for taking him at 5 is hindsight, revisionist horse $&!#. To be fair we reached a bit for Juolevi, the need for a puck moving Dman was too great. Tkachuk was a consensus top 5 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: To be fair we reached a bit for Juolevi, the need for a puck moving Dman was too great. Tkachuk was a consensus top 5 pick. Nope. Revisionist horse $&!#. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: I dunno, I didn’t mind the pick. Was supposed to be a safe pick over Tkachuk and Sergachev. Guys I personally wanted. But it’s over and done with. I just hope he gets healthy and can play in the NHL at all. Ahead of the draft Benning was asked about the different prospects. He said that in his opinion there was only 1 D that had the potential to become a D1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bure_Pavel Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Nope. Revisionist horse $&!#. TSN June 20th The Draft AnalystJune 12th McKeen's Hockey June 10th NA Central Scouting June 10th 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Patrik Laine Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Auston Matthews Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Jakob Chychrun Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk Olli Juolevi Clayton Keller Craig Button June 8th Hockey Prospect June 7th Future Considerations June 4th ISS June 1st 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Jesse Puljujarvi 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Patrik Laine 4 Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk 5 Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 2016 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings The Hockey News - Guide June DraftBuzz Hockey June 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk These are all the rankings from June 2016 from every major scouting service 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I wonder if OJ is having some issues with his previous back injury/repair? if there's still some tissue there aggravating a nerve that could show up part way into a season as a lingering thing. Anyway hoping for the best for this kid. Oh and ffs can we stop talking about Tkatpuke in this thread? this isn't the Tkachuk page. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: TSN June 20th The Draft AnalystJune 12th McKeen's Hockey June 10th NA Central Scouting June 10th 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Patrik Laine Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Auston Matthews Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Jakob Chychrun Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk Olli Juolevi Clayton Keller Craig Button June 8th Hockey Prospect June 7th Future Considerations June 4th ISS June 1st 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Jesse Puljujarvi 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Patrik Laine 4 Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk 5 Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 2016 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings The Hockey News - Guide June DraftBuzz Hockey June 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk These are all the rankings from June 2016 from every major scouting service And Juolevi was right there with him ranked anywhere from 5-7'ish. It wasn't a 'reach'. Again, revisionist horse $&!#. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Squamfan said: should have practiced more and not played videos games all day No doubt. He'll have all day to play them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Can't remember where I saw the comment, but Pettersson was a bigger reach than Juolevi. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. The hindsight folks need to relax and just admit our drafting is very good regardless of the stats that are nitpicked to prove otherwise. Hoping for a fast recovery for Juolevi and to get onto this team as soon as possible, he has a great skillset! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said: Can't remember where I saw the comment, but Pettersson was a bigger reach than Juolevi. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wonder if OJ is having some issues with his previous back injury/repair? if there's still some tissue there aggravating a nerve that could show up part way into a season as a lingering thing. Anyway hoping for the best for this kid. Oh and ffs can we stop talking about Tkatpuke in this thread? this isn't the Tkachuk page. The Canucks press-release said lower body ailment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, mll said: The Canucks press-release said lower body ailment. he could be having leg numbness / pain due to a lower back issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I wanted Tkachuk, but Benning's drafting has been outstanding overall. Juolevi has shown a lot of potential, but has been stymied by injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Did he leave in the middle of last game he play with the injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 3:45 PM, bree2 said: Cue the Juolevi haters!!! I feel so bad for the kid, the hockey gods are sure being mean to him, was really hoping he would play a few games with the Canucks this season. well here is hoping he has a fast recovery. I don't think it's hate if fans are unhappy that the guy can't stay healthy or make the NHL. I think it's more disappointment and regret. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said: Did he leave in the middle of last game he play with the injury? Yeah, I had the understanding that he blocked a very hard shot and then left the ice. Maybe @UticaHockey can verify this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Yeah, I had the understanding that he blocked a very hard shot and then left the ice. Maybe @UticaHockey can verify this? OJ blocked two shots on the same PK but the one that really had him in pain got him in the arm just above the glove. He stayed out there basically playing with one arm and blocked another slapper but I think that one was absorbed off the shin guard. He stayed on the bench for a few minutes holding his arm in pain and then left for the dressing room. He did come back out for the third period however and looked fine playing the rest of the game but missed the next game before JB announced he was going back to Vancouver. I don't think the blocked shot had anything to do with the latest "lower body" injury. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I saw stuff in twitter saying it might be a medical condition, just speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: TSN June 20th The Draft AnalystJune 12th McKeen's Hockey June 10th NA Central Scouting June 10th 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Patrik Laine Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Auston Matthews Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Jakob Chychrun Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk Olli Juolevi Clayton Keller Craig Button June 8th Hockey Prospect June 7th Future Considerations June 4th ISS June 1st 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Patrik Laine Jesse Puljujarvi 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi Patrik Laine 4 Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk 5 Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 2016 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings The Hockey News - Guide June DraftBuzz Hockey June 1 Auston Matthews Auston Matthews 2 Patrik Laine Patrik Laine 3 Jesse Puljujarvi Jesse Puljujarvi 4 Matthew Tkachuk Pierre-Luc Dubois 5 Pierre-Luc Dubois Matthew Tkachuk These are all the rankings from June 2016 from every major scouting service I'm sure if you went even just to 6th overall for each of those, we would see OJ's name a handful of times. It wasn't that much of a reach. MT must've been like slightly better, and the Canucks went with the organizational need. Sure, at 5th overall it might not always be the right move. Then again, not having MT and other people like Nylander/Ehlers, Pastrnak etc... and all our other draft misses, also allowed us to be bad enough to nab EP at 5th OA and Hughes at 7th. I'll take those losses for the wins we eventually got. Because to be honest, I'd rather have Juolevi and Pettersson than Tkachuk and whoever else we would have had to pick instead of EP. On the plus note, OJ is far from a bust and will eventually become an NHL calibre dman. He will be found gold now that the entire hope of the fanbase isn't solely on his shoulders, much like it was in 2016. We have Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Rathbone and company to help us out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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