theo5789 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Poor conditioning eh? Given the rumours about his affinity for training it’s not exactly good rumours to hear. I’d rather he be addicted to Fortnite. He's had surgery that required a long recovery time. I don't know what he was able or not able to do, but I doubt he was able to get into full conditioning mode over the summer. This is honestly the first time I've heard his training being in question. Hard to imagine players that play 20-30 minutes a night not being well conditioned. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Alflives said: If it’s not serious, why did he miss a month of play and have to come to Vancouver for evaluation? Sounds pretty darned serious to me. Give it up man. It's so lunatics like you didn't speculate bs like you're doing now. OJ doesn't deserve this crap. Give it a rest and try to support the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Alflives said: If it’s not serious, why did he miss a month of play and have to come to Vancouver for evaluation? Sounds pretty darned serious to me. better to be cautious with oli if his hip is sore they probably gave him a mri or catscan in van to see if it was damaged seeing he probably needs a bit of massage and physio to loosen up the muscles on that leg. He will be playing lots soon everyone should chill and stop the bs speculation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I'm a huge OJ fan and was very happy to hear the news that he'll be okay. Hope he can play a solid stretch of games and get a call up not too long from now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nuxfanabroad Posted December 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2019 That was quite the hip-check. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 hours ago, theo5789 said: Why do they need to be so public about it? So people can jump to more conclusions being online doctors and suggesting his career is done and all that? He had soreness in his hip and they wanted to make sure it's not stemmed from something else. He's been through a lot the last couple of years and want to make sure he's diagnosed and treated properly to hopefully get him a long career to benefit him and the team. All the public needs to know or should care about is that he recovers from whatever is ailing him so he can continue his development and progress. I’m not making an argument for or against teams being secretive with their injuries. Just pointing out that being this secretive over something relatively minor is outside the norm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 hours ago, theo5789 said: He's had surgery that required a long recovery time. I don't know what he was able or not able to do, but I doubt he was able to get into full conditioning mode over the summer. This is honestly the first time I've heard his training being in question. Hard to imagine players that play 20-30 minutes a night not being well conditioned. Conditioning and training are not the same thing. A person can be in fine condition but not trained appropriately to a specific task or purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Conditioning and training are not the same thing. A person can be in fine condition but not trained appropriately to a specific task or purpose. The poster I responded to seemed to believe they went hand in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I’m not making an argument for or against teams being secretive with their injuries. Just pointing out that being this secretive over something relatively minor is outside the norm. Because they wanted to be sure before announcing anything. Benning came out with a press statement saying he's being evaluated and even said it was a lower body issue. I'm not sure what was considered so "secretive" about it. Maybe it took longer to evaluate than in most cases, but as I said they wanted to sure rather than rush a judgement and set him on the wrong path. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Because they wanted to be sure before announcing anything. Benning came out with a press statement saying he's being evaluated and even said it was a lower body issue. I'm not sure what was considered so "secretive" about it. Maybe it took longer to evaluate than in most cases, but as I said they wanted to sure rather than rush a judgement and set him on the wrong path. In my experience, even with modern technology doctors can often take a very long time to accurately and precisely diagnose some issues. But some posters seem to believe that they have Star Trek type scanners that instantly pinpoint exactly what ails you. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Conditioning and training are not the same thing. A person can be in fine condition but not trained appropriately to a specific task or purpose. Given the context, I kind of assumed that they were referring to cardio training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 52 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Because they wanted to be sure before announcing anything. Benning came out with a press statement saying he's being evaluated and even said it was a lower body issue. I'm not sure what was considered so "secretive" about it. Maybe it took longer to evaluate than in most cases, but as I said they wanted to sure rather than rush a judgement and set him on the wrong path. All I'm saying is that the situation wasn't typical, which seems to imply that management are worried about Juolevi above and beyond the regular player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: All I'm saying is that the situation wasn't typical, which seems to imply that management are worried about Juolevi above and beyond the regular player. he's got potential over and above the regular player. Our local media is also voracious and they were rightfully imo protecting the kid as much as possible from that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: he's got potential over and above the regular player. Our local media is also voracious and they were rightfully imo protecting the kid as much as possible from that. I don't buy that it's simply because he's a high end prospect. My gut tells me they were half-expecting it to be something much more serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I don't buy that it's simply because he's a high end prospect. My gut tells me they were half-expecting it to be something much more serious. it makes sense to me, the kid did have one back surgery already so being cautious was the smart move. Better to plan for the worst and be happy when its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gawdzukes Posted December 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) On 12/5/2019 at 8:55 AM, WeneedLumme said: In my experience, even with modern technology doctors can often take a very long time to accurately and precisely diagnose some issues. But some posters seem to believe that they have Star Trek type scanners that instantly pinpoint exactly what ails you. The last time they first indicated they hoped Juolevi would return in a few weeks, before shutting him down for the year, media and fans went on a childish, and ignorant witch hunt. In the future I would treat every injury like this if I was the Canucks. Imagine if they would have indicated he had hip soreness and he would be out for a bit. Then when one week turned into two and then three we'd have people like Alf saying he's got degenerative hip diseases and such. The whole spectrum of JB haters would be out with pitchforks not only turning on JB but Juolevi as well. Does he really need that at this point in his career? Doesn't it make sense to these people that with Juolevi's injury they want to make sure he's 100% healthy. For those that play sports they will understand that compensating for one injury can often cause another. Doesn't it make sense to give him a couple extra games off in November as compared to risking his whole year and future, just to make sure he's healthy. A bunch of rabid dogs. They'll eat anything, even if it isn't food. Edit: Those scanners also tell you to the exact second when you will be fully healed. Edited December 8, 2019 by Gawdzukes 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I think the major problem here is that Hips don't lie, just ask Shakira. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 We never know what would’ve happened had we picked up someone else. Who’s to say Tkatchuk wouldn’t have gotten injured in Utica or on the Canucks, or even busted all together under our development system. These players are all drafted that high because more often than not, they’ll make the bigs. It just so happens that certain players mixed with certain teams may cause for some less than desirable results. Think of it this way. Who’s to say Calgary wouldn’t have taken Juolevi at #6 and developed him into a bonafide top 2? We don’t know what could’ve or would’ve been, so let’s just try and move on from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: All I'm saying is that the situation wasn't typical, which seems to imply that management are worried about Juolevi above and beyond the regular player. Nah, I think it's the fanbase that treats everything OJ related as something above and beyond the regular player. He had a knock, it was announced as a LBI very typical of injury announcements these days, got evaluated, and now back to skating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 18 hours ago, Alflives said: If it’s not serious, why did he miss a month of play and have to come to Vancouver for evaluation? Sounds pretty darned serious to me. Something rotten in Utica Alf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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