theo5789 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: I’d heard it was soreness in his hip. Juolevi is looking just fine tonight. If you tracked back to the origin of this, the original poster was suggesting they rather OJ be addicted to video games rather than have poor conditioning. Those of us who paid attention have been following the situation, but some seem to continue to try and dig up the past and continue to find ways to knock on OJ at every opportunity. Glad to see him back and in good form. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 17 hours ago, joe-max said: This keeps coming up, but OJ moved to North America in 2015 and if any European league resembles the style played in North America, it is the FInnish Liiga. They even have adjusted rink sizes. This is not the issue. Not NA hockey, pro hockey. If that wasn't clear I apologize. His biggest issue is physically developing into his lanky frame. He is 6'3 and struggled to get to 200lbs. IMO his health issues all stem from either not training, improper training or overtraining. This gets compounded with every injury as it sets him further back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Olli had a good first game back, he moved as easily as he did a couple of years ago. He also had a post tonight and had a couple of his patented long range passes. Which is a good thing for him and the Canucks. However, the Canucks have another LD who can make those passes, is strong defensively, and has a cannon for a shot... and who might be competing for that same spot next year. On the left D, Hughes appears to be a lock, Edler makes six mil, Benn has done nothing that shows he deserves to lose his job, Tryamkin is a physical beast that can skate, and Rathbone already looks good enough to run the PP in Utica - who knows where he will be at by next year... and both Rathbone (always) and Tryamkin (the past couple of years) have shown great commitment to their training. I hope Juolevi knows that it will be a dogfight earning a spot on the Canucks next year and trains accordingly. We have time to make those decisions. Juolevi can play this year in the AHL with a few NHL callups. Rathbone can play all of next year in the AHL if he signs to leave college. Id trade Tanev and Fantenberg this deadline and run with Edler-Stecher Hughes-Myers Tryamkin/Benn/Rafferty rotation Next year you'd want Juolevi to step in. Therefore, you'd need to trade Benn in order to allow Juolevi to get into the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Olli had a good first game back, he moved as easily as he did a couple of years ago. He also had a post tonight and had a couple of his patented long range passes. Which is a good thing for him and the Canucks. However, the Canucks have another LD who can make those passes, is strong defensively, and has a cannon for a shot... and who might be competing for that same spot next year. On the left D, Hughes appears to be a lock, Edler makes six mil, Benn has done nothing that shows he deserves to lose his job, Tryamkin is a physical beast that can skate, and Rathbone already looks good enough to run the PP in Utica - who knows where he will be at by next year... and both Rathbone (always) and Tryamkin (the past couple of years) have shown great commitment to their training. I hope Juolevi knows that it will be a dogfight earning a spot on the Canucks next year and trains accordingly. Cannot have too many D men. Rathbone will likely get some AHL time. We will lose someone to Seattle. Benn is a on a 2 year deal, who knows if Trymakin will actually return or not. Tanev is on a expiring deal and with the rfa's needing to be signed after next season, I don't think he will be here. Stecher is another player with decent trade value and is not a core player. The only lock on the left side after next year is Hughes. The only lock on the right side is Myers. As for next year, both Benn and Trymakin can play either side. Expecting Rathbone to make it straight out of camp is a reach. None of this matters unless OJ can get in a season. Having a future left side of Hughes, OJ and Rathbone in 2-3 years is not beyond the realm. Having Tanev sign elsewhere is likely and Stecher could be dangled and won't likely be protected. If Stecher can't play here, Seattle isn't too far from home. BTW Hughes can also play the right side. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: We have time to make those decisions. Juolevi can play this year in the AHL with a few NHL callups. Rathbone can play all of next year in the AHL if he signs to leave college. Id trade Tanev and Fantenberg this deadline and run with Edler-Stecher Hughes-Myers Tryamkin/Benn/Rafferty rotation Next year you'd want Juolevi to step in. Therefore, you'd need to trade Benn in order to allow Juolevi to get into the rotation. Keep Benn as insurance. His deal is short and cheap. As a 6/7 d man he would be excellent. Between injuries, expansion, expiring contracts and other roster moves, we will be seeing more than 6 d men play next year. Let OJ bake in the AHL. If he can string together 20 solid games in a row, bring him up for a coffee, get him hungry and let him finish the season in Utica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: We have time to make those decisions. Juolevi can play this year in the AHL with a few NHL callups. Rathbone can play all of next year in the AHL if he signs to leave college. Id trade Tanev and Fantenberg this deadline and run with Edler-Stecher Hughes-Myers Tryamkin/Benn/Rafferty rotation Next year you'd want Juolevi to step in. Therefore, you'd need to trade Benn in order to allow Juolevi to get into the rotation. Why would you trade a proven NHL defender for someone who has proven nothing? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 He just needs lots of game action at this point, a good playoff run in the AHL would be great for him too. He has just missed so many games last few years. That outlet pass will be a great tool with the group of forwards that we are growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Stelar said: Why would you trade a proven NHL defender for someone who has proven nothing? Because if you don't you end up with 65 year old guys trying to keep up with the rest of the league's 20 year olds? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Try and keep in mind of the 950+ players in the AHL, Juolevi ranks 883 for his +/- Now I understand the frailties of the +/- ranking stat but in the broadest of terms being 883 is not some thing to boast about. Opposing coaches must relish the thought of getting their top line out against OJ. If he's that far down the list in the AHL where would he rank if he played in the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gurn Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Try and keep in mind of the 950+ players in the AHL, Juolevi ranks 883 for his +/- Now I understand the frailties of the +/- ranking stat but in the broadest of terms being 883 is not some thing to boast about. Opposing coaches must relish the thought of getting their top line out against OJ. If he's that far down the list in the AHL where would he rank if he played in the NHL? Why don't you break that down by position played, years of experience, ice time, and then team goals for and against; and get back to us? Edited December 7, 2019 by gurn 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, gurn said: Why don't you break that down by position played, years of experience, ice time, and then team goals for and against; and get back to us? I'm OK with the stat I offered if you want more I recommend you look at the AHL stats yourself. But which ever way you dice it, it ain't going to hide the facts, try as you might 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: We have time to make those decisions. Juolevi can play this year in the AHL with a few NHL callups. Rathbone can play all of next year in the AHL if he signs to leave college. Id trade Tanev and Fantenberg this deadline and run with Edler-Stecher Hughes-Myers Tryamkin/Benn/Rafferty rotation Next year you'd want Juolevi to step in. Therefore, you'd need to trade Benn in order to allow Juolevi to get into the rotation. Stecher is not a 1st pairing D and should not be playing that many minutes. He should play 3rd pairing D minutes at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: Keep Benn as insurance. His deal is short and cheap. As a 6/7 d man he would be excellent. Between injuries, expansion, expiring contracts and other roster moves, we will be seeing more than 6 d men play next year. Let OJ bake in the AHL. If he can string together 20 solid games in a row, bring him up for a coffee, get him hungry and let him finish the season in Utica. This. there is no rush for anything right now. let’s enjoy having a tiny bit of d depth, and let Olli heal and grow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Is OJ another Edler? I don't mean skill wise I mean injury prone wise. Guess we won't find out until he actually plays a meaningful game in a Canucks uniform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Phat Fingers said: Cannot have too many D men. Rathbone will likely get some AHL time. We will lose someone to Seattle. Benn is a on a 2 year deal, who knows if Trymakin will actually return or not. Tanev is on a expiring deal and with the rfa's needing to be signed after next season, I don't think he will be here. Stecher is another player with decent trade value and is not a core player. The only lock on the left side after next year is Hughes. The only lock on the right side is Myers. As for next year, both Benn and Trymakin can play either side. Expecting Rathbone to make it straight out of camp is a reach. None of this matters unless OJ can get in a season. Having a future left side of Hughes, OJ and Rathbone in 2-3 years is not beyond the realm. Having Tanev sign elsewhere is likely and Stecher could be dangled and won't likely be protected. If Stecher can't play here, Seattle isn't too far from home. BTW Hughes can also play the right side. I don’t disagree with what you say, my main point (which may not have been made clearly) is with regard to too many people assuming a Juolevi is a lock for next year - there are a lot of other potential candidates for any available spots now in the Canuck system. I would agree that only Hughes and Myers would be locks at this point. If Tanev can have a healthy season, and if he is still committed to Vancouver, I think the Canucks would be reluctant to move him or expose him to expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ohmy Posted December 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, Fred65 said: I'm OK with the stat I offered if you want more I recommend you look at the AHL stats yourself. But which ever way you dice it, it ain't going to hide the facts, try as you might The fact he was playing PK his first game back shows the coaches belief in his defensive abilities. Bo Horvat is a team worst -8 on the Canucks, that alone should tell you how irrelevant +/- actually is. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted December 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, Fred65 said: I'm OK with the stat I offered if you want more I recommend you look at the AHL stats yourself. But which ever way you dice it, it ain't going to hide the facts, try as you might You don't sound like you're interested in a REAL conversation then. 1. You raise a point that supports your thoughts on a player. 2. Someone else brings up a counterpoint to your argument. 3. Restates the argument. Doesn't even address the counter argument. Pretends to be 'transparent' about facts. We should just talk about how bad Juolevi is and we'll agree, surely... 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) Nevermind. Edited December 7, 2019 by gurn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/65?playertype=skater&position=skaters&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=48&league=4 Shows Ollie in a twenty way tie with the 877 listed player. 3 hours ago, Fred65 said: Try and keep in mind of the 950+ players in the AHL, Juolevi ranks 883 for his +/- Maybe, when dissing a player, use correct stats? Also there are 29 players tied with minus 6, so with one more plus ollie would be 848, if they listed him first. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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