Rollieo Del Fuego Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 The only chance he has of a 9 game tryout is if we have at least one D and one other skater injured. Then we could keep from sending down Gaunce , Granlund or Pedan and losing them to waivers...that scenario could easily happen really, but...Oli would have to be doing some pretty awesome things to warrant it though...point a game type play.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 3 hours ago, J.R. said: While I generally agree with the sentiment, he'll also have to adjust to playing against men, at a far faster pace etc. I'm as high on this kid as anyone but it's far more likely he's at least 1-2 years away than not. It is a long shot for Juolevi this year. There is no need to rush him, but I do think his IQ will shorten any transition period. He won't be playing top minutes off the hop. If if he does make noise at camp, he will have trained like a mainiac all summer. That alone would be great for the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: There is no need to rush him, but I do think his IQ will shorten any transition period. Sure. But most D take 4-6 years to develop in to an NHL player. People expecting 1 year might be setting themselves up for disappointment. 2-4 years would still be ahead of schedule. If he can beat that we'll have even more reason to be excited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: Sure. But most D take 4-6 years to develop in to an NHL player. People expecting 1 year might be setting themselves up for disappointment. 2-4 years would still be ahead of schedule. If he can beat that we'll have even more reason to be excited. 1-2 years away. No way it takes 4 years for him to add 10 pounds of muscle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: 1-2 years away. No way it takes 4 years for him to add 10 pounds of muscle... It's not just about muscle. 5 hours ago, J.R. said: While I generally agree with the sentiment, he'll also have to adjust to playing against men, at a far faster pace etc. I'm as high on this kid as anyone but it's far more likely he's at least 1-2 years away than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, J.R. said: Sure. But most D take 4-6 years to develop in to an NHL player. People expecting 1 year might be setting themselves up for disappointment. 2-4 years would still be ahead of schedule. If he can beat that we'll have even more reason to be excited. I am an eternal optimist, the only way to be a Canucks fan without the bitter irony... Juolevi will likely take 2 years minimum, but I don't count out his drive and confidence. He has swagger and has he potential to push for a spot sooner. Not this year though... Added to that, he isn't trying to break onto the 76' habs. There are players he could bump off the depth chart. Edited September 14, 2016 by Eastcoast meets Westcoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Pretty sweet interview with Olli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 9/13/2016 at 1:27 AM, Camel Toe Drag said: I wouldn't say Virtanen and Boeser are similar at all. They both have great shots but that's about it. Plus Boeser thinks the game way higher than Jake, this is why Brock has 1rst line potential while Jake will more likely be suited for a middle 6 role. Boeser= Sharp Virtanen= Lucic This is the way I see it. Juolevi was was the right pick regardless of who we already have. I think his point was that we have two potential high scoring wingers in our system and no potential 1d's...we wasn't comparing Virt to Boeser but rather the role they BOTH fill vs Tkachuk - which is effectively the same role top 6 wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: It is a long shot for Juolevi this year. There is no need to rush him, but I do think his IQ will shorten any transition period. He won't be playing top minutes off the hop. If if he does make noise at camp, he will have trained like a mainiac all summer. That alone would be great for the club. All one needs to look at is Shea Theodore- Anaheim has been patient and now look at him, he came in and looks like a stud vet in the games he played last year. But THAT took development time. Damn I wish we had him! Langley boy too! Regardless, I agree with your point! I wonder if Anaheim if they seem like they are close to a run this year, take Edler and Hansen (and those two players despite Van fans constant underavaluation, are worth a HELL of alot for a team making a run) for him at the deadline? A cup is worth more than a prospect even if he's going to be a strong 2d. Edited September 14, 2016 by Nuckles80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 12 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: It is a long shot for Juolevi this year. There is no need to rush him, but I do think his IQ will shorten any transition period. He won't be playing top minutes off the hop. If if he does make noise at camp, he will have trained like a mainiac all summer. That alone would be great for the club. Totally agree. He might get 9 games but there is no hurry for this kid. The bottom pairing is fluid and Benning has to know where Tryamkin, Larsson and Pedan fit. That assumes that Sbisa is #5. They might give Joulevi 9 games to give him a taste but I prefer he plays CHL and logs lots of minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 3 hours ago, Nuckles80 said: I think his point was that we have two potential high scoring wingers in our system and no potential 1d's...we wasn't comparing Virt to Boeser but rather the role they BOTH fill vs Tkachuk - which is effectively the same role top 6 wingers Both top six wingers yes. However their roles completely different. The main point was that regardless if we had or didn't have winger depth in the organization, Juolevi was the best pick seeing young defencemen are near impossible to trade for in this league therefore you need to draft and develop your own. Am I happy we have potential top six wingers in Boeser and Virtanen so we have more insentive to chose Juolevi or Tkatchuk? Absolutely. However we know the value for defencemen in this league. Juolevi was the BPA at #5. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Saw this kid at prospects camp. Id bet he makes the team no later than mid next season. He is that good. I would be surprised, but overjoyed if he made the team out of camp this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 23 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: I am an eternal optimist, the only way to be a Canucks fan without the bitter irony... Juolevi will likely take 2 years minimum, but I don't count out his drive and confidence. He has swagger and has he potential to push for a spot sooner. Not this year though... Added to that, he isn't trying to break onto the 76' habs. There are players he could bump off the depth chart. 13 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Both top six wingers yes. However their roles completely different. The main point was that regardless if we had or didn't have winger depth in the organization, Juolevi was the best pick seeing young defencemen are near impossible to trade for in this league therefore you need to draft and develop your own. Am I happy we have potential top six wingers in Boeser and Virtanen so we have more insentive to chose Juolevi or Tkatchuk? Absolutely. However we know the value for defencemen in this league. Juolevi was the BPA at #5. Agree with these points. It would be a big mistake to rush Juolevi. At best he plays well enough to survive at the NHL level and we burn up a year of his ELC and his pre-UFA time -- giving up a year when he should be in his prime. Also, Juolevi is tall (over 6-3 now, although some websites are out of date) and relatively slight. It would be mistake to let him get pushed around by bigger stronger forwards. He needs to fill out -- adding strength and weight over the next year or two. Also, I would like to see Tryamkin and Pedan get a good look this year. They both have the size and toughness that the Canucks need and look like high potential players. No reason to doubt that Juolevi was the BPA at #5. Still, it was disappointing not to get one of the top 4, especially as everyone thought we would get Dubois at #5. Still, I am a lot more comfortable with Juolevi at #5 than I was with Virtanen at #6. I want to see Virtanen in Utica to start the season--learning to play a complete game, and regaining some confidence in his ability to score. He cannot be content to just skate fast looking for guys to hit. That is a traditional 4th line role and obviously we expect a lot more than that from a #6 overall pick. I would like to see Green get a good chance to work with him. And, on a positive note. with the youngstars tournament about to start we will finally get some actual hockey to discuss. It seems like it has been a long time since we had a meaningful Canuck game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Knucklehd said: Saw this kid at prospects camp. Id bet he makes the team no later than mid next season. He is that good. I would be surprised, but overjoyed if he made the team out of camp this year. He makes the team or he is in junior for the year. Rules prohibit him from coming back up, even if he stays up for the first 9 games. Unless the Canucks get a massive amount of d-man injuries during the year, then he can come up on an emergency basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 6 hours ago, JamesB said: Agree with these points. It would be a big mistake to rush Juolevi. At best he plays well enough to survive at the NHL level and we burn up a year of his ELC and his pre-UFA time -- giving up a year when he should be in his prime. Also, Juolevi is tall (over 6-3 now, although some websites are out of date) and relatively slight. It would be mistake to let him get pushed around by bigger stronger forwards. He needs to fill out -- adding strength and weight over the next year or two. Also, I would like to see Tryamkin and Pedan get a good look this year. They both have the size and toughness that the Canucks need and look like high potential players. No reason to doubt that Juolevi was the BPA at #5. Still, it was disappointing not to get one of the top 4, especially as everyone thought we would get Dubois at #5. Still, I am a lot more comfortable with Juolevi at #5 than I was with Virtanen at #6. I want to see Virtanen in Utica to start the season--learning to play a complete game, and regaining some confidence in his ability to score. He cannot be content to just skate fast looking for guys to hit. That is a traditional 4th line role and obviously we expect a lot more than that from a #6 overall pick. I would like to see Green get a good chance to work with him. And, on a positive note. with the youngstars tournament about to start we will finally get some actual hockey to discuss. It seems like it has been a long time since we had a meaningful Canuck game. Agree on both Juolevi and Virtannen. Jake needs Green to realize his potential. He needs to play with hunger and intesity all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Knucklehd said: Saw this kid at prospects camp. Id bet he makes the team no later than mid next season. He is that good. I would be surprised, but overjoyed if he made the team out of camp this year. It's a prospect camp not the NHL, he is going to look good skating around with a bunch of guys that will never see the big ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 25 minutes ago, ice orca said: It's a prospect camp not the NHL, he is going to look good skating around with a bunch of guys that will never see the big ice. I always find the older players look fantastic compared to the high profile players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlwaysACanuckFan Posted September 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2016 Some interesting words from Stecher and Green regarding the Sultan of Smooth, yeah the Sultan of Smooth. http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/sultan-of-smooth-juolevi-impressive-in-his-canucks-debut?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Sultan of Smooth: Juolevi impressive in his Canucks debut JASON BOTCHFORD Published: September 17, 2016 Updated: September 17, 2016 8:01 PM PDT Filed Under: The Province Sports Hockey Vancouver Canucks Composed, cerebral and never out of position, Vancouver's top draft pick shows off his mature and distinctly non-flashy game PENTICTON — If you’re waiting for a moment, something grand and dynamic, before you begin pouring out your undying adoration for Olli Juolevi on social media, have a seat. It could be a while. There were essentially two wildly different reactions to Juolevi’s first game in a Canucks uniform Friday. Some, most of whom were at home watching the fifth-overall draft pick play on YouTube, were left wanting, whispering, “I don’t get it.” Others, most of whom were watching the game in the rink he was playing in, were geared up, convinced he was the best Canuck on the ice. This much is a lock, in the chaotic atmosphere that is common for Young Stars games, Juolevi played quiet, disciplined and mature. He was a Sultan of Smooth. Both on the ice, and off it. He avoided panic and contact, almost entirely. He was hit once by the Edmonton Oilers Young Stars, when he turned to make a play on a puck late in the second. “Sometimes, you have to take the hit,” Juolevi said. “I knew there was pressure coming. “I thought, ‘Why not take it? Maybe I can jam his offensive game.'” Getting hit in the back, Juolevi drew a penalty on that play, something he seemed almost disappointed in after the game. “I didn’t think it was a penalty. It wasn’t that big. It was a good hit,” he said. None of his teammates understand the nuances of his game more than Troy Stecher. They were paired together the Canucks development camp in July and again in Vancouver’s first game in Penticton. Understanding Juolevi can play near-flawless positionally, Stecher was impressively aggressive, piling up nine shots on net, by head coach Travis Green’s count. “He’s such a smart player,” Stecher said of the Canucks’ first stud defensive prospect in years. “When I wanted to go, I knew he was going to be back. “He’s so smooth. He’s so reliable. He’ll never be too flashy, but he’s not going to make a mistake. He’s going to make the hard, simple play. “You could just tell right away (when I met him). Off the ice, he’s this relaxed kid who has this swagger to him. It translates to the ice. He’s a composed player.” Stecher, you will learn, loves to talk. It’s part of what makes him such a powerful locker-room presence, and why many scouts here are saying he’s “wired to be a leader.” Juolevi said he was chattering about the game for almost all of the three periods, which ended in a 4-1 Vancouver loss. “A lot of it, I just let go in one ear, and drift out the other,” Juolevi said, smiling. Juolevi claimed he was nervous heading into his debut. When it was pointed out that it sure didn’t look like it, he volleyed back with a pretty interesting thought not many 18-year-olds would have come up with. “I don’t think you were nervous when you were asking me those questions, but how would I know?” Juolevi said. “What matters is, you love your job and I love mine.” What also matters, Canucks head coach Willie Desjardins is going to love him, even before he puts on the 15 extra pounds he’s probably going to need to compete nightly in the NHL. Any coach would. “His game is one of those where you might never look and say ‘Wow, that was some end-to-end rush,'” Green said. “It’s just going to be a nice quiet game where he controls the puck.” Asked if players like Juolevi are a coach’s dream, Green immediately said he was. “Anytime you have a defenceman who you don’t really have to talk to at all, that’s kind of what you like,” Green said, before pointing out that this tournament may be the most difficult games for Juolevi to really show what he’s capable of. “We were talking about him the other night with some of our scouts. I think those kinds of defencemen are better when the game is better, cleaner. “His game is going to be better suited for an NHL game. Where everyone’s timing is on, and it’s not as scramble-y. “He’s going to be a helluva defenceman.” Until then, it’s not going to be easy for a lot of people to pick out where Juolevi is excelling. But it wasn’t easy to see how good Dan Hamhuis was when he first arrived in Vancouver, either. “(Juolevi) has got a lot of poise. He reads the game well. His hockey sense is a premium. “Somethings you just don’t have to teach really good players. “It’s not going to be if he plays (in the NHL). It’s just when.” As soon as now? People will have to wait for main training camp before trying to answer that one. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 37 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Some interesting words from Stecher and Green regarding the Sultan of Smooth, yeah the Sultan of Smooth. http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/sultan-of-smooth-juolevi-impressive-in-his-canucks-debut?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Sultan of Smooth: Juolevi impressive in his Canucks debut ... Until then, it’s not going to be easy for a lot of people to pick out where Juolevi is excelling. But it wasn’t easy to see how good Dan Hamhuis was when he first arrived in Vancouver, either. “(Juolevi) has got a lot of poise. He reads the game well. His hockey sense is a premium. “Somethings you just don’t have to teach really good players. “It’s not going to be if he plays (in the NHL). It’s just when.” As soon as now? People will have to wait for main training camp before trying to answer that one. I mentioned this last night in the Trevor Linden at youngstars Canucks talk thread. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks this...or Botchford stole that from me .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Lidstromesque.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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