Honky Cat Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Makar is a surefire stud, but Franchise top line Center is the most valuable piece you can have on a team. Ep40> Makar. Off topic here...but I would consider a #1C and and a true #1D to be completely even..(Seth Jones=Johanssen). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock Tower Prison Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Honky Cat said: Off topic here...but I would consider a #1C and and a true #1D to be completely even..(Seth Jones=Johanssen). I think this logic is part of the reason Benning took Juolevi after Columbus picked Dubois. Juolevi was the consensus choice to be the first defenceman selected because he looked the most NHL ready at the time. But the thing is part of being NHL ready is situational opportunity. Mikhail Sergachev was lucky enough to get traded to a stacked team in Tampa and could be sheltered. Jakob Chychrun was guaranteed to make the roster in Arizona. Charlie McAvoy was damn impressive in 6 playoff games he started in. But he only got that opportunity because Torey Krug and Brandon Carlo were injured. Edited December 21, 2019 by Clock Tower Prison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Honky Cat said: Off topic here...but I would consider a #1C and and a true #1D to be completely even..(Seth Jones=Johanssen). Fair but petey will be a top five player in the league , Makar won’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 7:12 AM, wai_lai416 said: lol benning did not win the 2017 draft.. Colorado did... ppg defenseman that can also play defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ppg centers.. the fact that we wasted 2 top 6 picks on atm non impact player and possible will never be impact player.. and we are sitting here watching this team struggle to score and thinking to ourselves are we done rebuilding yet is kinda sad Laughable post. You think makar is so much better than Petey that you type >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. You are clueless pal. Real NHL commentators have already said Petey would go first in a re draft. But you, some guy, don't agree. Haha....good god.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 56 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Fair but petey will be a top five player in the league , Makar won’t Based on what? He is already 7th in scoring with every other defencemen ahead of him older and it is his 1st year as well If you said that about Hughes ……. imagine the responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: Based on what? He is already 7th in scoring with every other defencemen ahead of him older and it is his 1st year as well If you said that about Hughes ……. imagine the responses When is the last time you would say a Dman recently was considered in the top 5 players in the league? Probably only Lidstrom in his prime and maybe a year of Erik Karlsson when he carried the sens to the ECF. Again not knocking Makar I definitely think he will be a Norris contender for years, EP is already considered one of the best talents to come out of sweden in history. Edited December 21, 2019 by Silky mitts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: When is the last time you would say a Dman recently was considered in the top 5 players in the league? Probably only Lidstrom in his prime and maybe a year of Erik Karlsson when he carried the sens to the ECF. Again not knocking Makar I definitely think he will be a Norris contender for years, EP is already considered one of the best talents to come out of sweden in history. Oh I thought you were talking among defencemen A top d man will drive a lot of the forward play Most top rated forwards and teams usually has a top rated d man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ba;;isticsports said: Based on what? He is already 7th in scoring with every other defencemen ahead of him older and it is his 1st year as well If you said that about Hughes ……. imagine the responses Eh the last dman that was top 5 was Karlsson before his injuries when he was putting up insane numbers as goal scoring was going down and was carrying his team with his play and could carry the Sens even injured. He was the best thing since Lidstrom at that point but injuries brought EK back down to earth. Leagues getting more offensive. I don’t think Makar or anyone for that matter can reach that sort of godly level Karlsson was at before he got hurt. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Not so fun fact: Excluding the recent 2019 draft, Olli Juolevi is the only top 5 pick in NHL Entry draft history to not suit up for a game. If Turcotte and Byram manage to get into a game at the end of the season/playoffs Olli will hold the distinction outright as I don't see him getting called up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Not so fun fact: Excluding the recent 2019 draft, Olli Juolevi is the only top 5 pick in NHL Entry draft history to not suit up for a game. If Turcotte and Byram manage to get into a game at the end of the season/playoffs Olli will hold the distinction outright as I don't see him getting called up this season. Why would he not? If he keeps playing well and remains healthy then I can easily see him getting a few games look in the NHL. He may not be ready for a full time role at this point, but he'll get there eventually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Why would he not? If he keeps playing well and remains healthy then I can easily see him getting a few games look in the NHL. He may not be ready for a full time role at this point, but he'll get there eventually Is he playing well though? Well enough to deserve a call up to the NHL? He is frequently on the wrong side of goals being scored and 8 assists in 22 games isn't exactly outstanding contribution offensively. Rafferty will get the call up long before Juolevi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Ihatetomatoes said: Is he playing well though? Well enough to deserve a call up to the NHL? He is frequently on the wrong side of goals being scored and 8 assists in 22 games isn't exactly outstanding contribution offensively. Rafferty will get the call up long before Juolevi I mean he's still getting used to the league but to write him off for the whole year as an NHL callup seems excessive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: I mean he's still getting used to the league but to write him off for the whole year as an NHL callup seems excessive I mean anything can happen but with his injuries and average play I'd say it's a lot more likely he doesn't play in the NHL this year than he does. Maybe if we're out of the playoffs and they want to give him a taste and he plays really well from here on I could see it but I'd bet Rafferty, Teves, and Brisebois would get the call before him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: I mean he's still getting used to the league but to write him off for the whole year as an NHL callup seems excessive Juolevi has played a combined 50 games in the AHL, Rafferty has played 30 games total. Juolevi has played 22 this season and Rafferty 30. Just to keep the math correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said: I mean anything can happen but with his injuries and average play I'd say it's a lot more likely he doesn't play in the NHL this year than he does. Maybe if we're out of the playoffs and they want to give him a taste and he plays really well from here on I could see it but I'd bet Rafferty, Teves, and Brisebois would get the call before him. Fantenberg Brisebois Sautner Juolevi Teves that is likely what our left side depth order is. Juolevi hasn’t looked great this year other than blocking shots - either way without getting into what ifs my original point still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Fred65 said: Juolevi has played a combined 50 games in the AHL, Rafferty has played 30 games total. Juolevi has played 22 this season and Rafferty 30. Just to keep the math correct Rafferty is 24 Juolevi is 21.... I am sure that if Oli can stay injury free for the rest of the season...we will be talking about bringing them both up as a duo for the playoffs... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAlien Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Gets the game winner and the first star tonight: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Game winner, first star, pfft. We all know the stat that matters... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock Tower Prison Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Why can't we just be happy that we have both Juolevi and Rafferty? Edler is close to retirement and Juolevi could fill his role. Tanev is constantly broken and what Rafferty lacks in defence he could make up for in offence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 21 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said: Is he playing well though? Well enough to deserve a call up to the NHL? He is frequently on the wrong side of goals being scored and 8 assists in 22 games isn't exactly outstanding contribution offensively. Rafferty will get the call up long before Juolevi Cull certainly thinks he's playing well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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