Fred65 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BarnBurner said: You're a fricken clown. Go puck yourself and take Fred with you. Beat it you losers. His skating ability WAS rated as elite. Not sure why that's so difficult for idiots like you to grasp. Puck off! Your comments speak volumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Fred65 said: Your comments speak volumes So do yours. You're a pathetic joke. Beat is loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, BarnBurner said: So do yours. You're a pathetic joke. Beat is loser. You sure have a way with words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, SirCosmoDuffGordon said: JB said at the draft something like he is capable of being a number 1 dman and then the following year or so after he was like we still have hope he can be a top 4 dman.. and I just find it odd that so quickly he can go from being number 1 calibre to top 4 it seemed like once JB saw more of him he realize he only had top 4 potential which kinda sucks for a top 4 pick. I don’t know what his ceiling was before or after his injury was or is but the draft went the way it did. I personally wanted to pick Sergachev myself but was ok with Juolevi 5th overall at the time so I can’t complain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, 4petesake said: I don’t know what his ceiling was before or after his injury was or is but the draft went the way it did. I personally wanted to pick Sergachev myself but was ok with Juolevi 5th overall at the time so I can’t complain. SERGACHEV, MCAVOY or even CHYCHRUN. There were choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, 4petesake said: I don’t know what his ceiling was before or after his injury was or is but the draft went the way it did. I personally wanted to pick Sergachev myself but was ok with Juolevi 5th overall at the time so I can’t complain. The main drawback with Juolevi is clearly the knee injury. For anybody whining about his progression is ridiculous. He just turned 23 and he's showing signs of being a phenomenal player in a lot of ways, including PP and PK. Plus, he showed that he can actually play on the right side, being a lefty. An added bonus. He's a great player, guaranteed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BarnBurner said: The main drawback with Juolevi is clearly the knee injury. For anybody whining about his progression is ridiculous. He just turned 23 and he's showing signs of being a phenomenal player in a lot of ways, including PP and PK. Plus, he showed that he can actually play on the right side, being a lefty. An added bonus. He's a great player, guaranteed. Lost In Never Never Land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BarnBurner said: The main drawback with Juolevi is clearly the knee injury. For anybody whining about his progression is ridiculous. He just turned 23 and he's showing signs of being a phenomenal player in a lot of ways, including PP and PK. Plus, he showed that he can actually play on the right side, being a lefty. An added bonus. He's a great player, guaranteed. Rankings for D OJ Sergachev Chycrun Macavoy Sportsnet 6. 10. 12. 11 HockeyProspect.com. 6. 8. 14. 13 MyNHLDraft.com. 6. 9. 13. 14 ABC. 8. 11. 17. 26 TheDraftAnalyst. 9. 12. 2. 31 TSN (NA skaters) 5. 8. 4. 6 The consensus seemed to be Juolevi, Sergachev, Chycrun, Macavoy pre-draft. As I said I liked Sergachev at the time but I certainly couldn’t say it was a bad pick at the time. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Rankings for D OJ Sergachev Chycrun Macavoy Sportsnet 6. 10. 12. 11 HockeyProspect.com. 6. 8. 14. 13 MyNHLDraft.com. 6. 9. 13. 14 ABC. 8. 11. 17. 26 TheDraftAnalyst. 9. 12. 2. 31 TSN (NA skaters) 5. 8. 4. 6 The consensus seemed to be Juolevi, Sergachev, Chycrun, Macavoy pre-draft. As I said I liked Sergachev at the time but I certainly couldn’t say it was a bad pick at the time. All those scouts had no idea OJ couldn't pivot or he'd be ranked way way lower...I watched him play a lot for the knights, the kids got skills . By mid season of next year you'll hear the naysayers making up excuses as to why they made these rushed statements. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Dannydog said: All those scouts had no idea OJ couldn't pivot or he'd be ranked way way lower...I watched him play a lot for the knights, the kids got skills . By mid season of next year you'll hear the naysayers making up excuses as to why they made these rushed statements. If he is able to regain the strength and flexibility in his damaged knee he will surprise a lot of the naysayers on here. If he is unable to progress beyond that, he could still be a good 5/6/7 D man as his passing and processing of the game is very good IMO. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BarnBurner said: You're a fricken clown. Go puck yourself and take Fred with you. Beat it you losers. His skating ability WAS rated as elite. Not sure why that's so difficult for idiots like you to grasp. Puck off! “Puck off!”, eh? Nice to see the 12 year old demographic well represented here on the Canucks.com forum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 He was slow out of the gates at first with London, He's a thinker, once he processes the game in the NHL completely he will apply his skills accordingly. There wont be a sophmore year slump for OJ,he will just keep getting better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Some “Facts” to chew on OJ (44.5 % OZ starts) 32.48 minutes between GA and 23.55 minutes between GF (Even-Strength) QH (62.2 % OZ starts) 16.07 minutes between GA and 25.79 minutes between GF (Even-Strength) Seems we win more games playing OJ more than QH at even strength 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrCanuck94 Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Boeser is an average skater. Pettersson has poor balance. Horvat isn't a great passer. Hughes is weak defensively. Every player has flaws, but every player also has their strengths. Personally, I wouldn't call Olli an elite skater however he was considered a strong and balanced skater during his draft year. I will say his vanilla style makes him seem slower than he is. If Boeser helped me learn something, it's that injuries take time to heal, and I believe in Olli that he will get better and better as a NHL skater. I haven't seen anyone say OJ is going to be a number 1 d man. I do see people believing in him being a top minute muncher and PK specialist that can put up 30 points. Imo in his 22 year old season, he has proved to be a solid NHL top 6 at the very least. The draft was 5 years ago, no team hits on every player and our drafting has been really good. As far as I remember, OJ was considered to not have the highest ceiling, but the highest floor, and was the safest pick to play a long time in the NHL. As mentioned by others, Olli was always ranked as one of the top d-men in his draft class. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) Never really was a fan of the pick to begin with (Chychrun or Keller were the ones I wanted), but was satisfied as he was a safe bet on becoming a serviceable NHL player. Looking back though, watching his peers around him grow into impact players for their clubs. Kind of stings a bit, especially when there wasn’t really a consensus top defensemen in the draft. Edited May 13, 2021 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, shiznak said: Never really was a fan of the pick to begin with (Chychrun or Keller were the ones I wanted), but was satisfied as he was a safe bet on becoming a serviceable NHL player. Looking back though, watching his peers around him grow into impact players for their clubs. Kind of stings a bit, especially when there wasn’t really a consensus top defensemen in the draft. OJ looks like he’s going to still be a player with us. Plus, during rebuilding phases every team (even further cup winners) have misses with high picks. The Hawks took Cam Barker (3OA)during their rebuild. The took Jack Skille (8OA) too. Those misses need to be covered by hits in the later rounds, which the Hawks did. We still have OJ, who will certainly be a useful player for us, or a trade chip. Plus, we have Rathbone as the later round pick that covers the OJ miss. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Alflives said: OJ looks like he’s going to still be a player with us. Plus, during rebuilding phases every team (even further cup winners) have misses with high picks. The Hawks took Cam Barker (3OA)during their rebuild. The took Jack Skille (8OA) too. Those misses need to be covered by hits in the later rounds, which the Hawks did. We still have OJ, who will certainly be a useful player for us, or a trade chip. Plus, we have Rathbone as the later round pick that covers the OJ miss. I don't really get all the knocks on OJ, tbh. If say we had traded for him this year I think the narrative would be different. but all this Benning history gets thrown in there and colours the narrative a lot imo. Seems like a solid kid, he moves well, makes good decisions, Green has said good things. I don't know why he's not in over Edler but you may be right, it could just be giving a veteran his last few games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 19 hours ago, SirCosmoDuffGordon said: JB said at the draft something like he is capable of being a number 1 dman and then the following year or so after he was like we still have hope he can be a top 4 dman.. and I just find it odd that so quickly he can go from being number 1 calibre to top 4 it seemed like once JB saw more of him he realized he only had top 4 potential which kinda sucks for a top 5 pick. I have never seen nor heard JB say Olli could become a number 1 dman. Link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alexandre Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 19 hours ago, SirCosmoDuffGordon said: JB said at the draft something like he is capable of being a number 1 dman and then the following year or so after he was like we still have hope he can be a top 4 dman.. and I just find it odd that so quickly he can go from being number 1 calibre to top 4 it seemed like once JB saw more of him he realized he only had top 4 potential which kinda sucks for a top 5 pick. Here is what I could find so far, JB quoted about Olli at the draft. “I don’t know if there’s a true No. 1 defenseman (in the draft),” Benning told TSN 1040 radio. “If you look through the league right now, there’s maybe eight or ten No. 1 defensemen in the whole league.” And so the Canucks may choose a winger like Matthew Tkachuk or, perhaps more likely, a center like Logan Brown. If Pierre-Luc Dubois doesn’t get picked at No. 4, he’d certainly be an option, too. https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/24/canucks-opt-to-bolster-blue-line-select-olli-juolevi-fifth-overall/ If I remember correctly, I have heard Benning say a number of times, that Olli, in his assesment, projects to be a number 2 dman. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucard Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 21 hours ago, Alexandre said: Here is what I could find so far, JB quoted about Olli at the draft. “I don’t know if there’s a true No. 1 defenseman (in the draft),” Benning told TSN 1040 radio. “If you look through the league right now, there’s maybe eight or ten No. 1 defensemen in the whole league.” And so the Canucks may choose a winger like Matthew Tkachuk or, perhaps more likely, a center like Logan Brown. If Pierre-Luc Dubois doesn’t get picked at No. 4, he’d certainly be an option, too. https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/24/canucks-opt-to-bolster-blue-line-select-olli-juolevi-fifth-overall/ If I remember correctly, I have heard Benning say a number of times, that Olli, in his assesment, projects to be a number 2 dman. Dubois was the nucks pick but they took him before us. If Green let the kids play he will be the next Edler and he is part of the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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