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8 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

Give up a 1st round pick for OJ? :wacko: Who's willing to give us that?
I would trade him for a 1st round pick ASAP if that was on the table. Highly doubt it is.

Exactly that's what i was trying to say. So many tell me OJ is great or wait until he's healthy or.......... or ......  I don't for the life of me believe he's a first rounder. He's a RFA come the summer , the next question will be how much do you think he'll be offered ???? The proof will be in the pudding ( contract ) I'm thinking they give him 2 years at $1.5 >>

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14 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Exactly that's what i was trying to say. So many tell me OJ is great or wait until he's healthy or.......... or ......  I don't for the life of me believe he's a first rounder. He's a RFA come the summer , the next question will be how much do you think he'll be offered ???? The proof will be in the pudding ( contract ) I'm thinking they give him 2 years at $1.5 >>

I think that's pretty spot on, could even see him get less, and of course he needs to take the next step during that contract - which will definitely be 2 years max - otherwise he won't get a next one.

 

Doesn't mean he's not a first round talent though, time will tell. Not expecting him to explode offensively, although I could see 30-40 points in the future, but that's a good thing since we need good D that won't break the bank.

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1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

I can see Brad Shaw turning OJ into an absolute stud that he was supposed to be in the first place.

Yeah. I’d like to see what Shaw can do with OJ 

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On 6/15/2021 at 12:17 AM, Dazzle said:

I can see Brad Shaw turning OJ into an absolute stud that he was supposed to be in the first place.

That would be a turn up but not impossible I guess. That's a good point I hadn't thought about

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My only concern with OJ is he seems to have an issue struggling to turn one way and gets beat on that side.  Injury? Strength?  Not sure.  But that needs to get fixed and if it does he is great. 

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On 6/18/2021 at 11:04 AM, TGT68 said:

My only concern with OJ is he seems to have an issue struggling to turn one way and gets beat on that side.  Injury? Strength?  Not sure.  But that needs to get fixed and if it does he is great. 

Agreed... I caught him talking about it last season... lemme see if I can find the pic... oh here it is:

 

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On 6/18/2021 at 11:04 AM, TGT68 said:

My only concern with OJ is he seems to have an issue struggling to turn one way and gets beat on that side.  Injury? Strength?  Not sure.  But that needs to get fixed and if it does he is great. 

Can you please show me video proof of every NHL player not getting beat?

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8 minutes ago, Dats hockey said:

Can you please show me video proof of every NHL player not getting beat?

I don't think they ever said that OJ's the only player ever who gets beat.

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10 hours ago, Dats hockey said:

Can you please show me video proof of every NHL player not getting beat?

That's true, but OJ has this as a nagging issue. It actually changes the way he plays to adapt to it.

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On 6/16/2021 at 5:30 PM, BarnBurner said:

Yeah. I can't believe how some people on this forum keep beating him down. Let's see what the boy's got when he's healthy before throwing swords.

 just don't see him like that. plus Green doesn't either, he keeps sitting him and doesn't give him a regular shift. I know some one will come up with an excuse, but that's what it will be an excuse. I see little difference between OJ and other D prospects except Rathbone who's clearly a step ahead. I hope the roster spot is decided on merit and not politics ( high draft pick by JB )

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10 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said:

 

How many times do I have to post this so you don't spread misinformation? :lol:

 

 

Was true for what looks to be 3 games in March when they had several game time decisions.  Most of his scratches weren't for cap purposes but roster decisions.  Benning even commented that coaches trust veterans and by trading Benn it would open a spot for Juolevi.   

 

CapFriendly has access to the NHL transaction page where the record IR, LTIR, demotions, recalls, waivers etc.  They keep track of the daily cap hits.  

 

There were 37 games before the Covid outbreak - he played 15 and missed 22.  Juolevi's last game was Feb 26.  He was demoted on 4 March ahead of the game.   That's 15 games out of 26 possible.  Till then he was on the NHL roster so his 11 scratches weren't about cap or roster spots. 

 

This was the salary cap situation on 26 February with Juolevi on the roster - the Canucks were in LTIR.

 

                                        Bonus pool               Salary pool

Pools                                        0                         4.725M          Ferland 3.5M + Motte 1.225M

Roster players                   - 233K                     - 3.691M          They used LTIR to complete the roster including recalling Höglander to start the season

Höglander's bonus            +233K                        - 233K           As the bonus pool is 0 his bonus comes out of the salary pool

= Still available                         0                             800K          By addition                                    

 

Demoting Juolevi           +1.05M                        + 863K           His demotion created a bonus pool

Höglander's bonus          - 233K                        + 233K           Höglander's bonus no longer comes out of the salary pool but the bonus pool                    

recalling Michaelis                                             -  700K               

= Still available                  817K                        1.197M            By addition (1.05-233K) and (800 + 863 + 233 - 700)

         

817K in the bonus pool and 1.197M in the salary pool was more than sufficient cap space to recall Juolevi - which they actually did on 10 March but he didn't play and was sent back the next day.  Bailey was only put on LTIR on 17 March although injured already in February - they could have added 750K earlier to the LTIR salary pool if they needed to.

 

A Juolevi recall is a 1.097M cap hit to the salary pool (863K his salary + 233K Höglander's bonus).  His bonus is covered by the bonus pool his own demotion created but Höglander's bonus would have to be moved back to the salary pool (like it was before the Juolevi demotion).

 

Pool                                  817K                       1.197M

Juolevi recall                  -1.05M                       - 863K           

Hoglander                      + 233K                       - 233K

= Still available                    0                             100K                         

 

With Juolevi on the taxi squad they were able to recall Eriksson on emergency basis - his recall cap hit is 1.075M (the amount that could be buried - just 22K less than Juolevi's).  When Eriksson was up on emergency basis (for 1 game on 13 March), Juolevi would have had to be sent down for cap reasons.

 

From 13 March (Eriksson's emergency recall) to 19 March (Pettersson going on LTIR) - they claimed Vesey off waivers and activated Motte on 17 March off LTIR, cap would have been too tight to keep Juolevi on the roster but not otherwise.


Roster spots look to have been the issue.  They elected to recall Michaelis to play him over MacEwen.   Juolevi also wasn't playing and he cost over 12x times less on the taxi squad than on the NHL roster (70K vs 863K).  Among the non regulars only Juolevi and Michaelis were waiver free.

 

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6 hours ago, mll said:

 

 

Was true for what looks to be 3 games in March when they had several game time decisions.  Most of his scratches weren't for cap purposes but roster decisions.  Benning even commented that coaches trust veterans and by trading Benn it would open a spot for Juolevi.   

 

CapFriendly has access to the NHL transaction page where the record IR, LTIR, demotions, recalls, waivers etc.  They keep track of the daily cap hits.  

 

There were 37 games before the Covid outbreak - he played 15 and missed 22.  Juolevi's last game was Feb 26.  He was demoted on 4 March ahead of the game.   That's 15 games out of 26 possible.  Till then he was on the NHL roster so his 11 scratches weren't about cap or roster spots. 

 

This was the salary cap situation on 26 February with Juolevi on the roster - the Canucks were in LTIR.

 

                                        Bonus pool               Salary pool

Pools                                        0                         4.725M          Ferland 3.5M + Motte 1.225M

Roster players                   - 233K                     - 3.691M          They used LTIR to complete the roster including recalling Höglander to start the season

Höglander's bonus            +233K                        - 233K           As the bonus pool is 0 his bonus comes out of the salary pool

= Still available                         0                             800K          By addition                                    

 

Demoting Juolevi           +1.05M                        + 863K           His demotion created a bonus pool

Höglander's bonus          - 233K                        + 233K           Höglander's bonus no longer comes out of the salary pool but the bonus pool                    

recalling Michaelis                                             -  700K               

= Still available                  817K                        1.197M            By addition (1.05-233K) and (800 + 863 + 233 - 700)

         

817K in the bonus pool and 1.197M in the salary pool was more than sufficient cap space to recall Juolevi - which they actually did on 10 March but he didn't play and was sent back the next day.  Bailey was only put on LTIR on 17 March although injured already in February - they could have added 750K earlier to the LTIR salary pool if they needed to.

 

A Juolevi recall is a 1.097M cap hit to the salary pool (863K his salary + 233K Höglander's bonus).  His bonus is covered by the bonus pool his own demotion created but Höglander's bonus would have to be moved back to the salary pool (like it was before the Juolevi demotion).

 

Pool                                  817K                       1.197M

Juolevi recall                  -1.05M                       - 863K           

Hoglander                      + 233K                       - 233K

= Still available                    0                             100K                         

 

With Juolevi on the taxi squad they were able to recall Eriksson on emergency basis - his recall cap hit is 1.075M (the amount that could be buried - just 22K less than Juolevi's).  When Eriksson was up on emergency basis (for 1 game on 13 March), Juolevi would have had to be sent down for cap reasons.

 

From 13 March (Eriksson's emergency recall) to 19 March (Pettersson going on LTIR) - they claimed Vesey off waivers and activated Motte on 17 March off LTIR, cap would have been too tight to keep Juolevi on the roster but not otherwise.


Roster spots look to have been the issue.  They elected to recall Michaelis to play him over MacEwen.   Juolevi also wasn't playing and he cost over 12x times less on the taxi squad than on the NHL roster (70K vs 863K).  Among the non regulars only Juolevi and Michaelis were waiver free.

 

Not all contractual aspects are depicted on Capfriendly, however, it does give a good general idea. If Drancer and Greener are both saying there was contractual reasons, there had to be an underlying reason. 

 

The Benning comment is odd however, a coach doesn't tend to talk about contractual issues, which leads me to believe Greener rather than Jimbo. Seemed more like Jim saving face rather than anything else. Playing Benn to get an asset at the deadline was also a major reason I would think.

 

Regardless, Olli has more to give, and I hope he can prove himself this year.

 

also..

 

pivot moving GIF :towel:

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