rekker Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Rathbone looks great and thats awesome, but we’re also comparing a guy whos been healthy and a guy who was just recently seriously ill with COVID, lost weight and who knows how he has recovered? Im happy either way, but I’d like to give OJ a fair evaluation and not risk losing a potential top 4 dman to a rival for nothing. How pissed would you be if we lost him to Calgary and he turns into a Dan Hamhuis kinda guy minus the hipchecks. We could manage our assets a little better and get a full read on both and then make the choice to move on I don't think we will ever agree and thats fine. I am quite positive OJ clears waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Rathbone looks great and thats awesome, but we’re also comparing a guy whos been healthy and a guy who was just recently seriously ill with COVID, lost weight and who knows how he has recovered? Im happy either way, but I’d like to give OJ a fair evaluation and not risk losing a potential top 4 dman to a rival for nothing. How pissed would you be if we lost him to Calgary and he turns into a Dan Hamhuis kinda guy minus the hipchecks. We could manage our assets a little better and get a full read on both and then make the choice to move on Actually, if OJ is the way he is due to Covid. I'm sure there is a medical- conditioning exemption where he can play in the minors till rehabbed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: Same here man…this just sealed it for me You guys can’t be serious… The guy gave it his all until the point of collapse. What more can he do? Ya’ll are acting like he chose to have poor conditioning and ignoring the fact he had a serious bout of COVID. Sutter couldn’t even participate because of it. If you wanna blame anyone blame the Canucks medical staff for allowing him to participate. I don’t know how he would have been cleared with such poor conditioning. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: You guys can’t be serious… The guy gave it his all until the point of collapse. What more can he do? Ya’ll are acting like he chose to have poor conditioning and ignoring the fact he had a serious bout of COVID. Sutter couldn’t even participate because of it. If you wanna blame anyone blame the Canucks medical staff for allowing him to participate. I don’t know how he would have been cleared with such poor conditioning. Coach Green doesn’t agree… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: Coach Green doesn’t agree… And his teammates weren’t pleased with OJ’s weakness either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, rekker said: I don't think we will ever agree and thats fine. I am quite positive OJ clears waivers. Okay so I just want to start this over again..... I am not saying I do not entirely disagree with you. Im not saying we shouldnt slide him down through waivers. Not yet at least. Camp has just begun... He has gone through hell the past 4 years and hasn't had a chance to show what he is capable of. Fans knock JB for his "asset management" Would it not be better asset management, to send the guy who doesnt require waivers down and see what the waiver eligible player is capable of first? Before sending a top 5 draft pick not too long ago, down through waivers.... We could find out we have TWO NHL dmen in Rathbone AND Juolevi. He is a low risk high reward waiver guy. He has quite a bit of potential to offer and we have only seen a very small amount of it. Do I think he gets claimed, maybe not... But there is still a chance and a reasonable chance that he DOES get claimed. A team with D-issues or cap issues in a flat cap world that need a cheap D option could easily look and see a former 5th overall who hasnt had much chance to shine, for free. Why would a team NOT take a flyer? He is free!!!! We could keep OJ up, give him a fair shot, a legitimate opportunity and a real look and send Rathbone down and let him get top 4 mins and continue to develop and be a star. We then get a fair assessment of OJ, we either see he is not NHL ready and his time here is done, we can send him down to the minors and not give a flying f*** if he gets claimed.... ORRRR He proves us and JB who selected him 5th overall right and he PROVES he is an NHL caliber dman.... Now we have a possible trade chip who we can move out for picks, possibly another prospect. We can improve his trade value OR we keep him and allow him to step in and become a top 4 dman. We do not need to rush with Rathbone, we have time with him. OJ we need to utilize his opportunity to dictate his future. Remember... Training camp just started on Wednesday.... Not 2 weeks ago.... and fans are already clamoring to send a guy down on waivers and have given up on him in under 3 days of camp. Look at his HockeyDB Regular Season Playoffs Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM NHL Totals 23 2 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 2015-16 London Knights OHL 57 9 33 42 16 38 18 3 11 14 4 2016-17 London Knights OHL 58 10 32 42 36 26 14 3 5 8 8 2017-18 TPS Turku SM-liiga 38 7 12 19 14 7 11 2 5 7 0 2018-19 Utica Comets AHL 18 1 12 13 2 -12 -- -- -- -- -- 2019-20 Utica Comets AHL 45 2 23 25 24 -8 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks NHL -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 0 0 0 0 2020-21 Vancouver Canucks NHL 23 2 1 3 0 -1 -- -- -- -- -- Thats not a lot of hockey the past 4-5 years. 13 minutes ago, rekker said: Actually, if OJ is the way he is due to Covid. I'm sure there is a medical- conditioning exemption where he can play in the minors till rehabbed. I think for that to occur for a conditioning stint it would have to happen during the season? would it not? Im thinking more logically of what is better asset management and how it helps the team/organization. Invest a bit of time and opportunity in OJ and see if we have a good trade chip to move at some point in the season and then when we do move him Rathbone comes up and takes over. It's a better problem to have OJ in the NHL and Rathbone in the AHL than it is to have Rathbone in the NHL and OJ playing for a divisional rival. That is of course if OJ can prove it after camp and get a few games in to show a bit more of what he can do. Its about asset management. Turn a "waiver guy" into a trade chip with value or smother his value in the AHL if he clears or lose him completely. Take your pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: Coach Green doesn’t agree… Unprofessional for him to say that. They expect these players to go out and risk their health and then criticize them when they get COVID and struggle to recover? People are hypocrites on here. They constantly harp on the dangers and long term effects of COVID. And then immediately jump on a guy that’s clearly struggling to get his lungs back. Edited September 26, 2021 by DeNiro 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: And his teammates weren’t pleased with OJ’s weakness either. No basis for that. His teammates didn’t say anything about him. They would be more sympathetic than anyone with regards to recovering from Covid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: No basis for that. His teammates didn’t say anything about him. They would be more sympathetic than anyone with regards to recovering from Covid. It’s already reported guys were telling OJ to get up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Okay so I just want to start this over again..... I am not saying I do not entirely disagree with you. Im not saying we shouldnt slide him down through waivers. Not yet at least. Camp has just begun... He has gone through hell the past 4 years and hasn't had a chance to show what he is capable of. Fans knock JB for his "asset management" Would it not be better asset management, to send the guy who doesnt require waivers down and see what the waiver eligible player is capable of first? Before sending a top 5 draft pick not too long ago, down through waivers.... We could find out we have TWO NHL dmen in Rathbone AND Juolevi. He is a low risk high reward waiver guy. He has quite a bit of potential to offer and we have only seen a very small amount of it. Do I think he gets claimed, maybe not... But there is still a chance and a reasonable chance that he DOES get claimed. A team with D-issues or cap issues in a flat cap world that need a cheap D option could easily look and see a former 5th overall who hasnt had much chance to shine, for free. Why would a team NOT take a flyer? He is free!!!! We could keep OJ up, give him a fair shot, a legitimate opportunity and a real look and send Rathbone down and let him get top 4 mins and continue to develop and be a star. We then get a fair assessment of OJ, we either see he is not NHL ready and his time here is done, we can send him down to the minors and not give a flying f*** if he gets claimed.... ORRRR He proves us and JB who selected him 5th overall right and he PROVES he is an NHL caliber dman.... Now we have a possible trade chip who we can move out for picks, possibly another prospect. We can improve his trade value OR we keep him and allow him to step in and become a top 4 dman. We do not need to rush with Rathbone, we have time with him. OJ we need to utilize his opportunity to dictate his future. Remember... Training camp just started on Wednesday.... Not 2 weeks ago.... and fans are already clamoring to send a guy down on waivers and have given up on him in under 3 days of camp. Look at his HockeyDB Regular Season Playoffs Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM NHL Totals 23 2 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 2015-16 London Knights OHL 57 9 33 42 16 38 18 3 11 14 4 2016-17 London Knights OHL 58 10 32 42 36 26 14 3 5 8 8 2017-18 TPS Turku SM-liiga 38 7 12 19 14 7 11 2 5 7 0 2018-19 Utica Comets AHL 18 1 12 13 2 -12 -- -- -- -- -- 2019-20 Utica Comets AHL 45 2 23 25 24 -8 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks NHL -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 0 0 0 0 2020-21 Vancouver Canucks NHL 23 2 1 3 0 -1 -- -- -- -- -- Thats not a lot of hockey the past 4-5 years. I think for that to occur for a conditioning stint it would have to happen during the season? would it not? Im thinking more logically of what is better asset management and how it helps the team/organization. Invest a bit of time and opportunity in OJ and see if we have a good trade chip to move at some point in the season and then when we do move him Rathbone comes up and takes over. It's a better problem to have OJ in the NHL and Rathbone in the AHL than it is to have Rathbone in the NHL and OJ playing for a divisional rival. That is of course if OJ can prove it after camp and get a few games in to show a bit more of what he can do. Its about asset management. Turn a "waiver guy" into a trade chip with value or smother his value in the AHL if he clears or lose him completely. Take your pick. To me, if OJ earns his spot, absolutely he stays. If it's a tie, send Rathbone down (like you said, asset management) If OJ looks like crap though and Rathbone clearly beats OJ out of a job? I send OJ to Abby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: It’s already reported guys were telling OJ to get up. Probably jokingly. I doubt they were mad at him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Unprofessional for him to say that. They expect these players to go out and risk their health and then criticize them when they get COVID and struggle to recover? People are hypocrites on here. They constantly harp on the dangers and long term effects of COVID. And then immediately jump on a guy that’s clearly struggling to get his lungs back. How exactly do you know that his bad conditioning is related to covid??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Unprofessional for him to say that. They expect these players to go out and risk their health and then criticize them when they get COVID and struggle to recover? People are hypocrites on here. They constantly harp on the dangers and long term effects of COVID. And then immediately jump on a guy that’s clearly struggling to get his lungs back. Do you still have the receipt for your Joulevi jersey? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Probably jokingly. I doubt they were mad at him. I think guys who told OJ to get up were embarrassed that a teammate was lying on the ice like that. Someone posted a guy said, “the cameras were on so get up!” Or something like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I hate it when our fans turn on the players/prospects like this. Just terrible. Juolevi deserves support until the very end. People are willing to write him off right now. Honestly, if that's how trashy our fanbase is, he might as well be claimed by another team so he can start fresh. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Was Juolevi on the ice for every goal white scored today? Looked like it from the highlights but kinda hard to tell sometimes. Got absolutely turnstyled by Horvat as well. Not been a good showing from him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I hate it when our fans turn on the players/prospects like this. Just terrible. Juolevi deserves support until the very end. People are willing to write him off right now. Honestly, if that's how trashy our fanbase is, he might as well be claimed by another team so he can start fresh. this u man as u read all the Joulevi comments 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: Do you still have the receipt for your Joulevi jersey? Dumb. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: I think guys who told OJ to get up were embarrassed that a teammate was lying on the ice like that. Someone posted a guy said, “the cameras were on so get up!” Or something like that. Sound like a joke to me. Again how was a guy who gets that winded cleared by the medical staff. Clearly there’s a conditioning or medical issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, captainhorvat said: How exactly do you know that his bad conditioning is related to covid??? How do you know it’s not? Either he didn’t train at all during the summer or he’s feeling after effects from Covid same as Sutter. From reports it sounds like he had it worse than anyone. Not that much of a stretch to connect those two things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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