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3 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

hypothetically if we have the number 1 pick does he play with the Canucks next year. 

 

Why or why not for patrick/Hischier?

Sadly...of course he doesn't even IF it isn't in the best interest of their long term future.

 

Patrick because He's "physically ready"

 

Hischier because "He's so smart at the game"

 

Both because the owners want gate revenue and merch money.

 

I still say no matter what both need and deserve 1 or 2 years of development no matter what

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4 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

hypothetically if we have the number 1 pick does he play with the Canucks next year. 

 

Why or why not for patrick/Hischier?

I'd prefer not but it is possible. I'd prefer we sign a decent'ish playmaking C UFA to play behind Bo/Hank that we could flip next deadline but either Patrick or Hischier could theoretically play there.

 

Baer, Horvat, Boeser/Eriksson

Sedin, Sedin, Goldobin

Granlund, Pick/UFA, Eriksson/Boeser

Whoever, Sutter, Dorsett

 

Ideally I'd have one of Rodin/Boucher slot in and keep one of Boeser/Goldobin in Utica as well (along with Hischier in 'theory').

 

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Sadly...of course he doesn't even IF it isn't in the best interest of their long term future.

 

Patrick because He's "physically ready"

 

Hischier because "He's so smart at the game"

 

Both because the owners want gate revenue and merch money.

 

I still say no matter what both need and deserve 1 or 2 years of development no matter what

 

Patrick was virtually the best player in the WHL, in his draft minus two year.

 

Not sure another year there is going to help anyone.  The only question is whether he will be healthy...

 

If he does not get most of the summer to train. It won't be better to elevate him against bigger, stronger guys.  What is the current status?

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1 minute ago, J.R. said:

I'd prefer not but it is possible. I'd prefer we sign a decent'ish playmaking C UFA to play behind Bo/Hank that we could flip next deadline but either Patrick or Hischier could theoretically play there.

 

Baer, Horvat, Boeser/Eriksson

Sedin, Sedin, Goldobin

Granlund, Pick/UFA, Eriksson/Boeser

Whoever, Sutter, Dorsett

 

Ideally I'd have one of Rodin/Boucher slot in and keep one of Boeser/Goldobin in Utica as well (along with Hischier in 'theory').

 

 

Oh my!  Sutter on the 4th line??? :(

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2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Oh my!  Sutter on the 4th line??? :(

Why are people so obsessed with line #s? :picard:

 

All four of those lines would get roughly 15 minutes a night. His line would be primarily a matchup/dzone line and some nights get '3rd' or even '2nd' line minutes depending on game. Try thinking of it as more 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B lines if you must. 

 

Plus he'll be right back up at '3C' after Hank retires.

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

If both Juloevi and Liljegren reached their potrntial, for sure it's a no brainer.

 

I just think it's too risky because he's not a sure thing, and we already have Juolevi who projects anywhere from a good number 2 to a number 4 defenseman. If Liljegren tops out as a number 3-4 guy as well that still leaves us with no true number 1 D-man as well as a lack of scoring up front going forward.

 

Point is, if you're gonna use two top 5 picks on D-men back to back, you better make sure you're getting a number 1 guy. Otherwise that's an expensive cost for a couple 2nd pairing D-men.

 

People forget OJ springing Laine, Tkachuk, Puljujarvi or marner for breakout passes. Then joining the rush.

 

Lidstrom was a smooth skating Swede. Commanded the defensive zone adroitly closing any angle with his reach and positioning. Without huge dangle, still commanded the offensive zone with his inteligence, crisp passing & an opportunistic shot. Thats a lot like OJ.

 

Juolevi can still be a number one. Allthough I am not inferring as good as Lidstrom. Just a stylistic comparison.  

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16 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Patrick was virtually the best player in the WHL, in his draft minus two year.

 

Not sure another year there is going to help anyone.  The only question is whether he will be healthy...

 

If he does not get most of the summer to train. It won't be better to elevate him against bigger, stronger guys.  What is the current status?

Who said WHL.  His uncle stated he'd be open to a year in Europe until his team said he was ready for the NHL or AHL.

 

Context, I work out with his uncle

 

If he'd accept that.  In a league with a shade less physical  onus tp develop/heal.  Hell yes do it!

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16 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Why are people so obsessed with line #s? :picard:

 

All four of those lines would get roughly 15 minutes a night. His line would be primarily a matchup/dzone line and some nights get '3rd' or even '2nd' line minutes depending on game. Try thinking of it as more 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B lines if you must. 

 

Plus he'll be right back up at '3C' after Hank retires.

 
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I think we are more likely to look for a big winger, a Patrick Maroon clone, than we are a 3C.  Sutter is a more than adequate 3c, thank you!

 

Gaunce, Chaput, maybe Gaudette (prefer him in college), Shore? I think we are fine at 4C as well.  At least for a rebuilding club.

 

We are missing big physical players up front. With only Jake as a partial answer if he's ready. Nothing else in the tank. Thats where we still have to plug holes! If we splurge up front, we splurge on size!

 

Just my opinion... 

 

 

The exception, getting back on track, might be if we had Nolan Patrick as 3C next year!  :towel:

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Who said WHL.  His uncle stated he'd be open to a year in Europe until his team said he was ready for the NHL or AHL.

 

Context, I work out with his uncle

 

If he'd accept that.  In a league with a shade less physical  onus tp develop/heal.  Hell yes do it!

 

Fair enough.

 

I have been a proponent of European pro leagues over CHL for several years when not eligible for AHL. As a developmental step draft plus one year, they are better competition. 

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6 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I think we are more likely to look for a big winger, a Patrick Maroon clone, than we are a 3C.  Sutter is a more than adequate 3c, thank you!

 

Gaunce, Chaput, maybe Gaudette (prefer him in college), Shore I think we are fine at 4C as well.  At least for a rebuilding club.

 

We are missing big physical players up front. With only Jake as a partial answer if he's ready.  If we splurge up front, we splurge on size!

 

Just my opinion... 

 

 

The exception, getting back on track, might be if we had Nolan Patrick as 3C next year!  :towel:

Sutter produces the same level of offense whether he plays with offensive players or defensive ones. That line's ability to match up, take D-zone draws, shelter kids (and the twins) etc is increased with better defensive players however.

 

There's no reason to 'waste' offensive players with him.

 

Agree he's a more than adequate 3C. That's not really the point.

 

As for the more offensively minded '3C' to play with say Granlund/Erkisson/Boeser/Boucher/Rodin, I'd be fine if they want to give Shore a look in that role or if Patrick/Hischier were placed there or if we sign a cheap UFA to fill it and flip at the TDL.

 

 

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On 4/11/2017 at 2:19 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said:

yes we did, but Bean is progressing a lot from what i've heard, more than I expected.  I haven't went to a single hitman game this year so i can't really confirm on my own..

 

McAvoy is looking really good too now and could possibly be the best D to come out of that draft. 

 

I like Liljergren but it's hard to judge since I haven't had a lot of time to watch games this year.  This year i've based most of my opinions off scouting reports rather than personally viewing.

Speaking of McAvoy, the kids making his NHL debut tonight.  quite the stage to play your first NHL game

 

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2 hours ago, Beary Sweet said:

that Russian player/players could be Popugaev and Kostin. Popugaev is starting to be a riser in the draft as he had 51 points in 40 games with MJ before being traded to PG where he has fallen off a P/g pace but nevertheless still a good player with 18 points in 31 games. he's projected to be a pick late in the 1st so if the Sharks win the Cup and he slips into the last pick in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind taking a gamble on this kid. with Kostin, similar to Liljegren and Patrick, he's had a injury riddled campaign, putting up a point in 9 in the VHL but again, the upside and potential is there. in his age 16 year, he put up 21 points in 30 games in the MHL and he's another good gamble and probably a good one considering our knack for Russians now with Goldy and Tram. both of these guys are good kids and I'll be happy with either in our 2nd round pick even if they slip but with the likelihood of picking top 3, most likely we will pick a defenceman in the 2nd but we could potentially have CBJ 2nd also so I'll be happy with a forward and a defenceman, and possibly a goalie as well

Its Popugaev that I'm thinking of. Also, for our 2nd, you say a Dman? How's about Eemeli Rasanen? Few years down the road, we have two 6'7" and a 6'5" Dman; don't think too many teams will want to crash the net with them around.

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30 minutes ago, Father Ryan said:

Its Popugaev that I'm thinking of. Also, for our 2nd, you say a Dman? How's about Eemeli Rasanen? Few years down the road, we have two 6'7" and a 6'5" Dman; don't think too many teams will want to crash the net with them around.

I wouldn't want to take Rasanen with our early second.... Maybe a 3rd if he's available 

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4 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Oh my!  Sutter on the 4th line??? :(

If we win either pick 1 or 2 in the lottery I hope we expose Sutter in the expansion draft. It would be nice to shed his salary and open a spot for Patrick or Hischier. The only problem I see would be our lack of PK guys. I doubt JB does it anyways.

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3 minutes ago, CanuckMan10 said:

If we win either pick 1 or 2 in the lottery I hope we expose Sutter in the expansion draft. It would be nice to shed his salary and open a spot for Patrick or Hischier. The only problem I see would be our lack of PK guys. I doubt JB does it anyways.

Expose Sutter? Nope :picard:

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4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Expose Sutter? Nope :picard:

Agreed, whenever I hear people saying too expose guys like Edler or Sutter Im left speechless. Those guys have value going forward, whether thats via trade or as leaders on the team. Trade em, don't lose em for nothing.

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