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58 minutes ago, Freaky Freak said:

 

 

Why does everyone have

 

 

LILJEGREN, TIMOTHY

 

listed in their top 5 when he is not even in the top 5 NON N.A. skaters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of many, many rankings? One that has Rasmussen as the 5th best NA skater... Not a chance. 

 

Button just did a mock draft on Monday that has Liljergen going 4th behind Glass at 3rd? 

 

It's all over the map, but I would be willing to bet that Lilj is the first Euro skater picked, if not, the 2nd. I'd give up all hope if Benning drafted Lias Anderson over Liljergen...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

From what I've heard his defence is good for his age. I think a lot of ppl are looking at him wanting 60-70 points (Karlsson clone). He will be like Drew Doughty good all around and a consistent 40 point dman with maybe a couple 50 point seasons. I'd take him 3rd overall but I get some people are really high on forwards and Liljigren being hurt this year may have dropped his rankings a little bit. I can't see him getting passed 6th overall.

If people are interested in seeing what his game is about, it would be a good idea to give this tape a good watch:

 

EDIT: This clip is also an indication of his bad defensive play:

 

His offensive talents are apparent - especially on the power play where he is able to walk the line, distribute or be dangerous with his shot. His coach gives him a lot of leeway to find his game in this matchup, so it appears he has the go ahead to test out his skill set offensively, while being allowed to make defensive errors. Furthermore, he is also very adept at moving the puck out of the zone, but he does sometimes give out passes that can be easily intercepted. He has great speed which allows for him to cover a lot of the ice, sometimes leading the rush up the ice, others covering for his pinching plays. 

 

He definitely needs a lot of work on his defensive play like making the smart choices when pressured and being strong along the boards in puck battles. He directly gives the puck away as he was caught on trying to dangle past someone at the 15:00 minute mark leading to an opposition goal, and he gets beat 1-on-1 frequently below the hash marks. I do think his defensive play is correctable though as I still think his gap control and his ability to read the play are still are a high level. He just really needs to get stronger and battle harder, while making the smart defensive plays that he will learn through experience. 

 

He would be exactly the right candidate to play on a pairing with Juolevi if they were to both develop as intended. I would have no problem taking him in the 3-5 range. 

 

With that said, there does not look to be as many center prospects in the top 10 next year as there are this year and a few defensemen as well to choose from next year that may give a similar skill set as Liljegren, which makes me lean towards drafting a center this year.

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3 hours ago, funkyfresh said:

You post a lot of stuff from other sites so it would be nice if you would add sources instead of just posting the content.

I'm curious why this guy is so rarely listed in the top 10 of any major NA draft rankings..

 

why is he so invisible?

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4 hours ago, Green Building said:

The North American list?

 

Here's some more predictions from some pretty reliable sources.

Everybody's got Nolan Patrick #1 except one person. Corey Pronman ESPN. Although the predictions were from Jan, Feb & March.

Craig Button's is pretty recent & he's got Necas at #3. :huh:

 

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Craig Button
TSN

Mar. 21st
DraftBuzz
Hockey

Mar. 12th
Jeff Marek
Sportsnet

Mar. 8th
ISS Hockey
Mar. 1st
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
3 Martin Necas Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
4 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Owen Tippett Gabe Vilardi
5 Cale Makar Elias Petterson Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren
6 Casey Mittelstadt Martin Necas Casey Mittelstadt Casey Mittelstadt
7 Cody Glass Lias Andersson Eeli Tolvanen Michael Rasmussen
8 Timothy Liljegren Cody Glass Martin Necas Callan Foote
9 Ryan Poehling Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
10 Nick Suzuki Casey Mittelstadt Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
11 Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Nicolas Hague Eeli Tolvanen
12 Elias Pettersson Nick Suzuki Lias Andersson Nicolas Hague
13 Eeli Tolvanen Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar
14 Kailer Yamamoto Eeli Tolvanen Jusso Valimaki Cody Glass
15 Lias Andersson Ryan Poehling Cal Foote Elias Pettersson
16 Michael Rasmussen Nikita Popugaev Cody Glass Kole Lind
17 Alexei Lipanov Michael Rasmussen Erik Brannstrom Martin Necas
18 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Klim Kostin Maxime Comtois
19 P-Olivier Joseph Miro Heiskanen Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling
20 Owen Tippett Isaac Ratcliffe Kailer Yamamoto Kailer Yamamoto
21 Josh Norris Conor Timmins Kristian Vesalainen Shane Bowers
22 Shane Bowers Kailer Yamamoto Urho Vaakanainen Isaac Ratcliffe
23 Jusso Valimaki Nic Hague Nick Suzuki Nick Suzuki
24 Aleksei Heponiemi Jake Oettinger Ryan Poehling Josh Norris
25 Conor Timins Cal Foote Robert Thomas Urho Vaakanainen
26 Matthew Strome Robert Thomas Shane Bowers Henri Jokiharju
27 Grant Mismash Shane Bowers Elias Pettersson Lias Andersson
28 Isaac Ratcliffe Urho Vaakanainen Matthew Strome Jaret Anderson-Dolan
29 Kristian Vesalainen Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Kristian Vesalainen
30 Klim Kostin Kole Lind Nikita Popugaev Lukas Elvenes
31 Jaret Anderson-Dolan Jaret Anderson-Dolan MacKenzie Entwistle Robert Thomas

 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  McKeen's
Hockey

Feb. 26th
Hockey Prospect
Feb. 20th
The Draft
Analyst

Feb. 14th
Ryan Kennedy
THN

Feb. 13th
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier
3 Michael Rasmussen Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren
4 Casey Mittelstadt Gabe Vilardi Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi
5 Gabriel Vilardi Elias Pettersson Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
6 Owen Tippett Martin Necas Owen Tippett Klim Kostin
7 Elias Pettersson Cody Glass Elias Pettersson Casey Mittelstadt
8 Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren Martin Necas Michael Rasmussen
9 Eeli Tolvanen Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Eeli Tolvanen
10 Martin Necas Miro Heiskanen Lias Andersson Miro Heiskanen
11 Miro Heiskanen Owen Tippett Jusso Valimaki Martin Necas
12 Cale Makar Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Kristian Vesalainen
13 Cody Glass Isaac Ratcliffe Klim Kostin Cale Makar
14 Ryan Poehling Ryan Poehling Urho Vaakanainen Elias Pettersson
15 Lias Andersson Michael Rasmussen Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass
16 Jusso Valimaki Lias Andersson Erik Brannstrom Ryan Poehling
17 Nikita Popugaev Cal Foote Michael Rasmussen Juuso Valimaki
18 Robert Thomas Nicolas Hague Nicolas Hague Maxime Comtois
19 Conor Timmins Jusso Valimaki Kailer Yamamoto Nikita Popugaev
20 Kole Lind Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Cal Foote
21 Erik Brannstrom Alexei Lipanov Henry Jokiharju Isaac Ratcliffe
22 Klim Kostin Kailer Yamamoto Antoine Morand Nic Hague
23 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Marcus Davidsson Lias Andersson
24 Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Cale Makar Kailer Yamamoto
25 Kristian Vesalainen Urho Vaakanainen Ian Mitchell Shane Bowers
26 Urho Vaakanainen Nick Suzuki Ryan Poehling Nick Suzuki
27 Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Nikita Popugaev Jake Oettinger
28 Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Callan Foote Ivan Lodnia
29 Kailer Yamamoto Pierre-Olivier Joseph Scott Reedy Jaret Anderson-Dolan
30 Isaac Ratcliffe Marcus Davidsson Ivan Chekhovich Erik Brannstrom
31 Josh Norris Jonah Gadjovich Shane Bowers Sasha Chmelevski


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Corey Pronman
ESPN

Feb. 8th
Bob McKenzie
TSN

Jan. 31st
Dub Network
Jan. 16th
Future
Considerations

Jan. 2nd
1 Nico Hischier Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nolan Patrick Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren
3 Owen Tippett Timothy Liljegren Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt
4 Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
5 Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt Nic Hague Gabriel Vilardi
6 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Casey Mittelstadt Owen Tippett
7 Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Owen Tippett Eeli Tolvanen
8 Martin Necas Martin Necas Eeli Tolvanen Elias Pettersson
9 Cody Glass Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nicolas Hague
10 Kailer Yamamoto Klim Kostin Martin Necas Lias Andersson
11 Casey Mittelstadt Elias Pettersson Callan Foote Maxime Comtois
12 Nick Suzuki Cale Makar Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
13 Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
14 Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass Maxime Comtois Kailer Yamamoto
15 Michael Rasmussen Lias Andersson Elias Pettersson Kristian Vesalainen
16 Miro Heiskanen Jusso Valimaki Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen
17 Ivan Lodnia Ryan Poehling Kristian Vesalainen Ryan Poehling
18 Elias Pettersson Cal Foote Lias Andersson Cale Makar
19 Robert Thomas Kristian Vesalainen Erik Brannstrom Matthew Strome
20 Erik Brannstrom Shane Bowers Marcus Davidsson Michael Rasmussen
21 Lias Andersson Nic Hague Cody Glass Nick Suzuki
22 Ryan Poehling Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling Callan Foote
23 Henri Jokiharju Kailer Yamamoto Matthew Strome Martin Necas
24 Alexei Lipanov Urho Vaakanainen Miro Heiskanen Marcus Davidsson
25 Callan Foote Jake Oettinger Scott Reedy Mike DiPietro
26 Nikita Popugaev Nikita Popugaev Urho Vaakanainen Scott Reedy
27 Filip Westerlund Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Urho Vaakanainen
28 Juuso Valimaki Isaac Ratcliffe Nikita Popugaev Erik Brannstrom
29 Maxime Comtois Matthew Strome Shane Bowers Isaac Ratcliffe
30 Aleksi Heponiemi Robert Thomas Pierre-Olivier Joseph Cody Glass
31 David Farrance Conor Timmins Luke Martin Sasha Chmelevski
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http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/mock-draft/

NHL 2017 Mock Draft

Here is our 2017 NHL mock draft. Team needs are loosely taken into consideration.

The draft order is based on the final regular season standings on April 10th.Sportsnet.

We've updated added stats and videos, and new profiles from multiple outlets for all players in our first round mock.

According to NHL.com, "Las Vegas will be inserted into the 2017 NHL Draft Lottery with the same odds as the team that finishes with the third fewest points in the 2016-17 season. It will be guaranteed to have no lower than the No. 6 pick in the 2017 NHL Draft and will own the third pick in each subsequent round."

Mock draft updated April 10th

 

 

 

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Liljegren is essentially a rich-man's Hutton, I'm not sold anymore on him becoming a star but he'd be an interesting high-risk high-reward top-4 defenceman. We don't need that with a top-5 pick though. There's about 5 decent centers going in the top-10 at least, we need one of them.

 

Elite: Hirschier and Nolan if he stays healthy. We have to gun hard for one of these.

Future top-6 centers: Vilardi, Mittelstatd, Rasmussen, Petersson

Fringe top-6 centers: Glass, Necas

 

I think we go hard for Hirschier this season. He's the perfect two-way playmaking center this team needs to complement Bo. If it's between Nolan and Mittelstatd I think JB will have a tough decision but lean towards Nolan. Mittelstatd at #3 for sure, then Vilardi. We'll get one of those 4 centers and should be happy with that.

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On 4/9/2017 at 1:27 PM, J.R. said:

Agree. I'd be OK packaging Hutton and Baer for an upgrade at forward (and maybe a 2nd or 3rd) but it would have to be an awful high pick for me to even consider it for Hutton. 

 

Tanev to ARZ for their 1st though...

Arizona might actually be open (Tanev) to it this year given their stable of youth, need for D, and not a great draft by any means. Although, a right handed Dman who is solid in his own end, still relatively young should garner more than a first pick unless its top 4 / 5

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14 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

 

Here's some more predictions from some pretty reliable sources.

Everybody's got Nolan Patrick #1 except one person. Corey Pronman ESPN. Although the predictions were from Jan, Feb & March.

Craig Button's is pretty recent & he's got Necas at #3. :huh:

 

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Craig Button
TSN

Mar. 21st
DraftBuzz
Hockey

Mar. 12th
Jeff Marek
Sportsnet

Mar. 8th
ISS Hockey
Mar. 1st
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
3 Martin Necas Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
4 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Owen Tippett Gabe Vilardi
5 Cale Makar Elias Petterson Gabe Vilardi Timothy Liljegren
6 Casey Mittelstadt Martin Necas Casey Mittelstadt Casey Mittelstadt
7 Cody Glass Lias Andersson Eeli Tolvanen Michael Rasmussen
8 Timothy Liljegren Cody Glass Martin Necas Callan Foote
9 Ryan Poehling Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
10 Nick Suzuki Casey Mittelstadt Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
11 Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Nicolas Hague Eeli Tolvanen
12 Elias Pettersson Nick Suzuki Lias Andersson Nicolas Hague
13 Eeli Tolvanen Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar
14 Kailer Yamamoto Eeli Tolvanen Jusso Valimaki Cody Glass
15 Lias Andersson Ryan Poehling Cal Foote Elias Pettersson
16 Michael Rasmussen Nikita Popugaev Cody Glass Kole Lind
17 Alexei Lipanov Michael Rasmussen Erik Brannstrom Martin Necas
18 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Klim Kostin Maxime Comtois
19 P-Olivier Joseph Miro Heiskanen Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling
20 Owen Tippett Isaac Ratcliffe Kailer Yamamoto Kailer Yamamoto
21 Josh Norris Conor Timmins Kristian Vesalainen Shane Bowers
22 Shane Bowers Kailer Yamamoto Urho Vaakanainen Isaac Ratcliffe
23 Jusso Valimaki Nic Hague Nick Suzuki Nick Suzuki
24 Aleksei Heponiemi Jake Oettinger Ryan Poehling Josh Norris
25 Conor Timins Cal Foote Robert Thomas Urho Vaakanainen
26 Matthew Strome Robert Thomas Shane Bowers Henri Jokiharju
27 Grant Mismash Shane Bowers Elias Pettersson Lias Andersson
28 Isaac Ratcliffe Urho Vaakanainen Matthew Strome Jaret Anderson-Dolan
29 Kristian Vesalainen Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Kristian Vesalainen
30 Klim Kostin Kole Lind Nikita Popugaev Lukas Elvenes
31 Jaret Anderson-Dolan Jaret Anderson-Dolan MacKenzie Entwistle Robert Thomas

 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  McKeen's
Hockey

Feb. 26th
Hockey Prospect
Feb. 20th
The Draft
Analyst

Feb. 14th
Ryan Kennedy
THN

Feb. 13th
1 Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nico Hischier Nico Hischier Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier
3 Michael Rasmussen Casey Mittelstadt Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren
4 Casey Mittelstadt Gabe Vilardi Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi
5 Gabriel Vilardi Elias Pettersson Timothy Liljegren Owen Tippett
6 Owen Tippett Martin Necas Owen Tippett Klim Kostin
7 Elias Pettersson Cody Glass Elias Pettersson Casey Mittelstadt
8 Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren Martin Necas Michael Rasmussen
9 Eeli Tolvanen Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Eeli Tolvanen
10 Martin Necas Miro Heiskanen Lias Andersson Miro Heiskanen
11 Miro Heiskanen Owen Tippett Jusso Valimaki Martin Necas
12 Cale Makar Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Kristian Vesalainen
13 Cody Glass Isaac Ratcliffe Klim Kostin Cale Makar
14 Ryan Poehling Ryan Poehling Urho Vaakanainen Elias Pettersson
15 Lias Andersson Michael Rasmussen Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass
16 Jusso Valimaki Lias Andersson Erik Brannstrom Ryan Poehling
17 Nikita Popugaev Cal Foote Michael Rasmussen Juuso Valimaki
18 Robert Thomas Nicolas Hague Nicolas Hague Maxime Comtois
19 Conor Timmins Jusso Valimaki Kailer Yamamoto Nikita Popugaev
20 Kole Lind Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Cal Foote
21 Erik Brannstrom Alexei Lipanov Henry Jokiharju Isaac Ratcliffe
22 Klim Kostin Kailer Yamamoto Antoine Morand Nic Hague
23 Cal Foote Klim Kostin Marcus Davidsson Lias Andersson
24 Maxime Comtois Kole Lind Cale Makar Kailer Yamamoto
25 Kristian Vesalainen Urho Vaakanainen Ian Mitchell Shane Bowers
26 Urho Vaakanainen Nick Suzuki Ryan Poehling Nick Suzuki
27 Shane Bowers Maxime Comtois Nikita Popugaev Jake Oettinger
28 Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Callan Foote Ivan Lodnia
29 Kailer Yamamoto Pierre-Olivier Joseph Scott Reedy Jaret Anderson-Dolan
30 Isaac Ratcliffe Marcus Davidsson Ivan Chekhovich Erik Brannstrom
31 Josh Norris Jonah Gadjovich Shane Bowers Sasha Chmelevski


 

2017 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
  Corey Pronman
ESPN

Feb. 8th
Bob McKenzie
TSN

Jan. 31st
Dub Network
Jan. 16th
Future
Considerations

Jan. 2nd
1 Nico Hischier Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick Nolan Patrick
2 Nolan Patrick Nico Hischier Timothy Liljegren Timothy Liljegren
3 Owen Tippett Timothy Liljegren Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt
4 Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nico Hischier Nico Hischier
5 Klim Kostin Casey Mittelstadt Nic Hague Gabriel Vilardi
6 Gabe Vilardi Owen Tippett Casey Mittelstadt Owen Tippett
7 Timothy Liljegren Michael Rasmussen Owen Tippett Eeli Tolvanen
8 Martin Necas Martin Necas Eeli Tolvanen Elias Pettersson
9 Cody Glass Eeli Tolvanen Gabe Vilardi Nicolas Hague
10 Kailer Yamamoto Klim Kostin Martin Necas Lias Andersson
11 Casey Mittelstadt Elias Pettersson Callan Foote Maxime Comtois
12 Nick Suzuki Cale Makar Michael Rasmussen Klim Kostin
13 Cale Makar Miro Heiskanen Cale Makar Juuso Valimaki
14 Kristian Vesalainen Cody Glass Maxime Comtois Kailer Yamamoto
15 Michael Rasmussen Lias Andersson Elias Pettersson Kristian Vesalainen
16 Miro Heiskanen Jusso Valimaki Juuso Valimaki Miro Heiskanen
17 Ivan Lodnia Ryan Poehling Kristian Vesalainen Ryan Poehling
18 Elias Pettersson Cal Foote Lias Andersson Cale Makar
19 Robert Thomas Kristian Vesalainen Erik Brannstrom Matthew Strome
20 Erik Brannstrom Shane Bowers Marcus Davidsson Michael Rasmussen
21 Lias Andersson Nic Hague Cody Glass Nick Suzuki
22 Ryan Poehling Maxime Comtois Ryan Poehling Callan Foote
23 Henri Jokiharju Kailer Yamamoto Matthew Strome Martin Necas
24 Alexei Lipanov Urho Vaakanainen Miro Heiskanen Marcus Davidsson
25 Callan Foote Jake Oettinger Scott Reedy Mike DiPietro
26 Nikita Popugaev Nikita Popugaev Urho Vaakanainen Scott Reedy
27 Filip Westerlund Nick Suzuki Jake Oettinger Urho Vaakanainen
28 Juuso Valimaki Isaac Ratcliffe Nikita Popugaev Erik Brannstrom
29 Maxime Comtois Matthew Strome Shane Bowers Isaac Ratcliffe
30 Aleksi Heponiemi Robert Thomas Pierre-Olivier Joseph Cody Glass
31 David Farrance Conor Timmins Luke Martin Sasha Chmelevski

Interesting the lack of consensus in the top 5-8 in the differnet draft rankings - ie mittlestadt (anywhere form 2 to 11) and hirschier as well. 

 

I think this draft is going to see more off the board picks this year than normal if this is any indication

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I almost want us to take Necas if we get 5th, just because, he can still play in 2 more world juniors and also play in the AHL as early as next year. I think his development path is top notch, and as such he will be closer to his ceiling than other players at an earlier age.

Compare that to a guy like Vilardi who has the size, to play in the NHL, but needs to refine his skill game some more. The problem is after next year he will be too big for the OHL to improve a lot, and too young for the AHL.

If I had to project who was most likely going to reach their ceilings for forwards this is how I would put them:

Patrick
Necas

Hischier

Middlestadt

Pettersson

Vilardi

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1 hour ago, Boeser6 said:

Arizona might actually be open (Tanev) to it this year given their stable of youth, need for D, and not a great draft by any means. Although, a right handed Dman who is solid in his own end, still relatively young should garner more than a first pick unless its top 4 / 5

Arizona still needs a lot of work to do in their rebuild. They are already phasing out the vets (Stone, Hanzel, maybe Doan), and starting to inject their youth in the lineup. So, they certainly won't be trading their first round pick, a guarantee top 8 pick, for a defensemen in his prime years, who might I add is often injured. You also need to realize, by the time Arizona is ready to compete for the playoffs, Tanev will be well past his prime. It would be a complete waste if they trade for Tanev.

 

If Tanev were to be traded, I could see him fetching us a first round pick in the mid-teens, not a top 10 pick. Despite how "weak" the draft is.

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52 minutes ago, Derp... said:

I almost want us to take Necas if we get 5th, just because, he can still play in 2 more world juniors and also play in the AHL as early as next year. I think his development path is top notch, and as such he will be closer to his ceiling than other players at an earlier age.

Compare that to a guy like Vilardi who has the size, to play in the NHL, but needs to refine his skill game some more. The problem is after next year he will be too big for the OHL to improve a lot, and too young for the AHL.

If I had to project who was most likely going to reach their ceilings for forwards this is how I would put them:

Patrick
Necas

Hischier

Middlestadt

Pettersson

Vilardi

I'm leaning toward picking Owen Tippett, if we drop outside of the top 3. I know this team lacks depth down the middle, but this team is in desperate need of talented goal scorers, down the line, and I believe he's the BPA at 4. He's the best pure goal scorer in the draft (already has an NHL level shot), with great hands, acceleration and is creative with the puck in the offensive zone. He can also beat you in many different ways, not just with his shot. He needs to work on utilizing his teammates better and playing without the puck, but he by no means is terrible at those areas. 

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3 hours ago, Boeser6 said:

Arizona might actually be open (Tanev) to it this year given their stable of youth, need for D, and not a great draft by any means. Although, a right handed Dman who is solid in his own end, still relatively young should garner more than a first pick unless its top 4 / 5

It could very well be 4/5. But sure, I'll take a prospect or a another later pick as well. 5th overall and a 3rd? Done. 

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8 hours ago, kenhodgejr said:

NHL final rankings 

 

Final Rank Midterm Rank Player Position Amateur Team League
1 1 PATRICK, NOLAN Center BRANDON WHL
2 2 HISCHIER, NICO Center HALIFAX QMJHL
3 5 MITTELSTADT, CASEY Center EDEN PRAIRIE HIGH-MN
4 3 VILARDI, GABRIEL Center WINDSOR OHL
5 6 RASMUSSEN, MICHAEL Center TRI-CITY WHL
6 8 GLASS, CODY Center PORTLAND WHL
7 4 TIPPETT, OWEN Right Wing MISSISSAUGA OHL
8 7 TOLVANEN, EELI Right Wing SIOUX CITY USHL
9 10 MAKAR, CALE Defenseman BROOKS AJHL
10 16 SUZUKI, NICK Center OWEN SOUND OHL
11 9 VALIMAKI, JUUSO Defenseman TRI-CITY WHL
12 12 FOOTE, CALLAN Defenseman KELOWNA WHL
13 14 POEHLING, RYAN Center ST. CLOUD STATE NCHC
14 34 ROBERTSON, JASON Left Wing KINGSTON OHL
15 20 RATCLIFFE, ISAAC Left Wing GUELPH OHL
16 13 BOWERS, SHANE Center WATERLOO USHL
17 17 YAMAMOTO, KAILER Right Wing SPOKANE WHL
18 26 TIMMINS, CONOR Defenseman SAULT STE. MARIE OHL
19 22 JOKIHARJU, HENRI Defenseman PORTLAND WHL
20 11 HAGUE, NICOLAS Defenseman MISSISSAUGA OHL
21 40 ANDERSON-DOLAN, JARET Center SPOKANE WHL
22 28 THOMAS, ROBERT Center LONDON OHL
23 21 LIND, KOLE Right Wing KELOWNA WHL
24 30 MISMASH, GRANT Left Wing USA U-18 NTDP
25 25 HENRY, NICK Right Wing REGINA WHL
26 36 HEPONIEMI, ALEKSI Center SWIFT CURRENT WHL
27 42 JOSEPH, PIERRE-OLIVIER Defenseman CHARLOTTETOWN QMJHL
28 18 POPUGAEV, NIKITA Left Wing PRINCE GEORGE WHL
29 24 FORMENTON, ALEX Left Wing LONDON OHL
30 15 COMTOIS, MAXIME Left Wing VICTORIAVILLE QMJHL

So with the addition of the non American list it's looking like players listed from 24-30 may be available with our second Rd pick 

 

also prob any player on the non American list rated after 8th? 

Anybody have any favorited or suggestions who could be a steal with our 2nd pick ?

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3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Liljegren is essentially a rich-man's Hutton, I'm not sold anymore on him becoming a star but he'd be an interesting high-risk high-reward top-4 defenceman. We don't need that with a top-5 pick though. There's about 5 decent centers going in the top-10 at least, we need one of them.

 

Elite: Hirschier and Nolan if he stays healthy. We have to gun hard for one of these.

Future top-6 centers: Vilardi, Mittelstatd, Rasmussen, Petersson

Fringe top-6 centers: Glass, Necas

 

I think we go hard for Hirschier this season. He's the perfect two-way playmaking center this team needs to complement Bo. If it's between Nolan and Mittelstatd I think JB will have a tough decision but lean towards Nolan. Mittelstatd at #3 for sure, then Vilardi. We'll get one of those 4 centers and should be happy with that.

Liljgren is far better than Hutton at the same age. He is being compared to OEL and if he hadn't gotten Mono there would not be much doubt.  

 

He he is a RHD that we had briefly once with Erhoff, except likely better. That team went to the cup finals. 

 

Not saying JB should pick him if Nico or Patrick are still on the board, that's up to JB.  Any of the 3 are going to help out the team.  That being said, Liljegren is a guy that could solidify this defence.

 

If JB can add a mid round pick or SJS wins it all, Go Sharks! Then JB can take the sure thing with his first pick and swing for the fences with his other picks. 

 

If JB gets a RHD top flight offensive d man in the mold of OEL/Fowler then I won't be upset. Liljegren and OJ could be a fantastic PP quarterback crew. For all those that cried foul when Forsling was traded, Liljegren is far far better.  

 

EW

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12 minutes ago, J.R. said:

It could very well be 4/5. But sure, I'll take a prospect or a another later pick as well. 5th overall and a 3rd? Done. 

Yep or Tanev and Columbus 2nd for Arizona 1 and 2?

 

That gives us 2 top 5's in round 1 and 2

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1 hour ago, shiznak said:

Arizona still needs a lot of work to do in their rebuild. They are already phasing out the vets (Stone, Hanzel, maybe Doan), and starting to inject their youth in the lineup. So, they certainly won't be trading their first round pick, a guarantee top 8 pick, for a defensemen in his prime years, who might I add is often injured. You also need to realize, by the time Arizona is ready to compete for the playoffs, Tanev will be well past his prime. It would be a complete waste if they trade for Tanev.

 

If Tanev were to be traded, I could see him fetching us a first round pick in the mid-teens, not a top 10 pick. Despite how "weak" the draft is.

Agree with your logic but balance that with the need to also bring players along and start winning as well - you need some 'solid ground' else you end up like Edmonton. While Tanev is a vet he is only 26- he has 8-10 years left in him so I don't think you can throw him in the same bucket as Doan etc. He clearly can be part of a long term solution

 

I don't think tanev is too old for their core and much like the canucks have done - Arizona really needs to bring in some transitional pieces in that 22-27 range - to help young players. Tanev fits that bill

 

I am not saying they WILL do it, but as Arizona, you'd have to consider it given how much youth you have, your lack of depth and experience on D and the fact you can only sell the future for so long without busting players- not to mention you need to start winning games to keep your fans. How many years have they been mired in this nonsense of bottom feeders? 

 

Tanev is not 'selling the future' for now, he can play a valuable role for them now and the future - that's where we disagree I think

 

 

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4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

*Played right side but actually left handed.

Didn't know that. Then he could likely play RHD on the PP and rifle the puck with one timers... and might be able to play either side on d. Not bad. We have a few guys that can play either side and it does allow for better depth and injury coverage. 

 

I am so positve about this draft.  There are some very good players that can come in and change the conversation about the Canucks. 

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52 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Liljgren is far better than Hutton at the same age. He is being compared to OEL and if he hadn't gotten Mono there would not be much doubt.  

 

He he is a RHD that we had briefly once with Erhoff, except likely better. That team went to the cup finals. 

 

Not saying JB should pick him if Nico or Patrick are still on the board, that's up to JB.  Any of the 3 are going to help out the team.  That being said, Liljegren is a guy that could solidify this defence.

 

If JB can add a mid round pick or SJS wins it all, Go Sharks! Then JB can take the sure thing with his first pick and swing for the fences with his other picks. 

 

If JB gets a RHD top flight offensive d man in the mold of OEL/Fowler then I won't be upset. Liljegren and OJ could be a fantastic PP quarterback crew. For all those that cried foul when Forsling was traded, Liljegren is far far better.  

 

EW

Drool.... If he is going tone this good, deal me in... wanted him originally.

Not only could he be the missing link, but also massively valuable for future trades.

Keep building on the backend. 

 

However still think JB will take a centre with size...

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1 hour ago, shiznak said:

I'm leaning toward picking Owen Tippett, if we drop outside of the top 3. I know this team lacks depth down the middle, but this team is in desperate need of talented goal scorers, down the line, and I believe he's the BPA at 4. He's the best pure goal scorer in the draft (already has an NHL level shot), with great hands, acceleration and is creative with the puck in the offensive zone. He can also beat you in many different ways, not just with his shot. He needs to work on utilizing his teammates better and playing without the puck, but he by no means is terrible at those areas. 

I think playmaking might have a greater impact on our goal scoring than you think. We actually have a lot of shoot first players, the main issue is getting them the puck in scoring areas.

Virtanen, Boeser, Goldobin, (Gaudette in a couple years), Eriksson, Sutter, Boucher, are all better shooters than passers today in my opinion.

Horvat, Baertschi, Granlund, and Daniel Sedin are all pretty balanced with playmaking and shooting.

Henrik is a true playmaker, and that's about it for our "scoring" players.

We need another guy to get people the puck, Tippett is not that guy in my opinion.

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