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10 hours ago, Odd. said:

I was waaay off. Although, Vesalainen was regarded as a top 10 pick heading into this year alongside Comtois but both may not even be drafted in the 1st round. 

 

I still agree with my Cal Foote comments. If we were picking around 10-15, Cal Foote would be my guy. Guys a stud. 

Edler to Tampa....

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For those who weren't paying attention

 

Kelowna just finished stomping a hole in Portland and their high powered offense.

 

Foote absolutely smothered Portlands top 2 lines and the offense was powered by Reid Gardiner (21 years old undrafted player if I recall right, would be a very solid guy to sign to a PTO) 2 ppg in the playoffs this year at current

 

Cal made it look pretty easy and is currently .6 PPG in the playoffs as of now

 

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My main issue with Mittlestadt is Minnesota.

 

Someone actually mentioned how they thought he would/could bolt for the wild at first opportunity.

 

Sadly, we're seeing a lot of Minnesota born and raised players start to gravitate towards home with the most obvious being high profile cap anchors Parise and Suter.

 

I still think Vilardi tops out as the better player but I would want Vilardi to be sent to Europe as a 19 year old.  1 more year in Windsor 1 year in Europe 1 year in the AHL NHL by 21/22

 

Fits our timeline for retooling perfectly

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2 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Wasn't he drafted by Calgary last year?

Oh jeez you're right!

 

My bad, missed that.  Was on my phone and it didn't bring up his draft history.

 

Fixed the OP and dammit Calgary is getting a gem in that kid

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13 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

for some reason Mittlestadt reminds me of Zibinstad of the Rangers.  Maybe it's just name similarly but the way they've been described kinda matches imo.

 

having a zibby would be sweet

Do you mean Zibanejad? IMO, Vilardi is a good comparable to Zibanejad. 

 

This draft in a lot of ways reminds me of the 2011 draft.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Hischier (hopefully he's better than him lol)

Gabe Landeskog: Nolan Patrick

Johnathon Huberdeau: Casey Mittlestadt

Adam Larsson: Tim Liljegren

Ryan Strome:  Martin Necas

Mika Zibanejad: Gabe Vilardi

Mark Schiefele: Cody Glass

 

etc. Lot's of similarities. 2011 wasn't regarded as a deep draft nor did it have any franchise players. But IMO, I think we were spoiled with the 2015 and 2016 drafts where 4 franchise players including 1 generational talent were taken.

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22 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Do you mean Zibanejad? IMO, Vilardi is a good comparable to Zibanejad. 

 

This draft in a lot of ways reminds me of the 2011 draft.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Hischier (hopefully he's better than him lol)

Gabe Landeskog: Nolan Patrick

Johnathon Huberdeau: Casey Mittlestadt

Adam Larsson: Tim Liljegren

Ryan Strome:  Martin Necas

Mika Zibanejad: Gabe Vilardi

Mark Schiefele: Cody Glass

 

etc. Lot's of similarities. 2011 wasn't regarded as a deep draft nor did it have any franchise players. But IMO, I think we were spoiled with the 2015 and 2016 drafts where 4 franchise players including 1 generational talent were taken.

Liljegren has more offence than Larsson ever has or will and Larsson has the edge in shutdown ability.

Vilardi I feel will be a bit heavier of a player than Zibanejad, Zib plays a bit more of a speed game, Vilardi has mentioned he wants to work on his speed, but given that its not what has made him successful to date I don't think he suddenly changes his play style just because he gains a bit of quickness. If anything it makes his imposing size and grit game better as he can get in on the fore check easier with a quicker first couple steps.

 

Also I know you are comparing them to players picked in the 2011 draft but Patrick is more of a MacKinnon than a Landeskog.

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3 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

People are sleeping on Nolan Patrick imo, he's still the top player in this draft

His injuries and the fact that he is not a flashy player like McDavid of Matthews is whats throwing people off.

 

He has had an injury in each of his seasons going back to like 2012-2013, so the concern is valid.

 

I am not a scout, nor do I have access to team / doctor's notes. Hopefully if the Canucks end up with the #1 / #2 spot they do their due diligence on this kid,

 

 

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

For those who weren't paying attention

 

Kelowna just finished stomping a hole in Portland and their high powered offense.

 

Foote absolutely smothered Portlands top 2 lines and the offense was powered by Reid Gardiner (21 years old undrafted player if I recall right, would be a very solid guy to sign to a PTO) 2 ppg in the playoffs this year at current

 

Cal made it look pretty easy and is currently .6 PPG in the playoffs as of now

 

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Would love to get Foote by somehow getting another pick. He would be money with OJ. My dream draft day, get a top center and trade one of Edler or Tanev plus picks to get Foote 

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6 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:future 3rd line player.  that said a good one.  Not sure if we willing to use a top 5 pick on a future 3rd line player. 

 

top 5 goes like this.

 

1 and 2 is Nolan nico

3 is Lilgeren

4 is Cale Makar

5 is Martin Necas

Thoughts on Liljegren vs Makar?

 

Some scouts like Craig Button and Grant McCagg have Makar over Liljegren.

 

(Mind you, I also agree with you in Liljegren over Makar based on his skillset, larger body of work/sample size of games played at an elite level, as well as his "drop" due to mono... I just wanted to see other people's opinion on it. I do think it's close as well.)

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8 minutes ago, Blömqvist said:

Thoughts on Liljegren vs Makar?

 

Some scouts like Craig Button and Grant McCagg have Makar over Liljegren.

 

(Mind you, I also agree with you in Liljegren over Makar based on his skillset, larger body of work/sample size of games played at an elite level, as well as his "drop" due to mono... I just wanted to see other people's opinion on it. I do think it's close as well.)

To me, Makar would be a good pickup with the First SJ is going to give us when they win the Cup B) .

 

I have done some reading up on him and I will be honest I don't know enough, nor have I watched any games/highlights to really comment with certainty, but it seems like he has the potential to be a great PMD, but there is also a tonne of risk that anything higher than 25th overall seems highly unlikely.

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14 minutes ago, Blömqvist said:

Thoughts on Liljegren vs Makar?

 

Some scouts like Craig Button and Grant McCagg have Makar over Liljegren.

 

(Mind you, I also agree with you in Liljegren over Makar based on his skillset, larger body of work/sample size of games played at an elite level, as well as his "drop" due to mono... I just wanted to see other people's opinion on it. I do think it's close as well.)

Makar is pure offense, the guys a stud but playing in the Alberta version of the BCJHL is leaving some question marks about his potential vs older more established/skilled players.  Liljregren is also a very solid offensive player with a solid defensive accumen, but plays against men.  Mono though killed his season so it caused him to drop and leave a lot of question marks because to start the season he was...different, and after he "recovered" he was behind the game by 4 months in a mens league as a kid.  It's hard to say how long he was actually affected by Mono to start the season or how it affected his game after but either would be a good choice, but Liljegren is able to go directly to the AHL and Makar I feel will need 2-4 years of development, whether it's college and AHL or straight AHL

 

Neither is a bad choice.

 

Edit***  The western Canada cup is slated to start in Penticton in a few weeks, Makar if the Bandits make it again this year will be on display there at the SOEC in penticton, tickets are cheap and plentiful.

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13 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Edit***  The western Canada cup is slated to start in Penticton in a few weeks, Makar if the Bandits make it again this year will be on display there at the SOEC in penticton, tickets are cheap and plentiful.

And being a 5k'ish venue the seats are all fairly good.

 

2012 was a crazy year with their 42 strait wins.

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

For those who weren't paying attention

 

Kelowna just finished stomping a hole in Portland and their high powered offense.

 

Foote absolutely smothered Portlands top 2 lines and the offense was powered by Reid Gardiner (21 years old undrafted player if I recall right, would be a very solid guy to sign to a PTO) 2 ppg in the playoffs this year at current

 

Cal made it look pretty easy and is currently .6 PPG in the playoffs as of now

 

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I really like Foote and IMO he would be perfect with Juolevi. From what I've read, he has good mobility, can use his size and reach well defensively, can make good heads up outlet passes out of the defensive zone and in transition, and has a bomb of a shot. I'm not too sure what his offensive ceiling is and how much of a physical game he will play in the pros, but he has oustanding Hockey IQ and the physical tools to grow into and develop those areas of his in the coming years. Development-wise, he plays for Kelowna and they are a pretty much a defenseman factory lol. IMO at worst Foote will be a more physically capable version of Tanev (mobile shutdown defenseman who can move the puck) and with a bomb for a slapshot. Safe bet to be a #3 or #4 defenseman and if he can develop his offense and play physically when needed he cam be a true top-pairing guy.

 

47 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Would love to get Foote by somehow getting another pick. He would be money with OJ. My dream draft day, get a top center and trade one of Edler or Tanev plus picks to get Foote 

 

Couple of ways management could grab a mid 1st round pick. One way is if the Sharks with the Stanley Cup we could package the 31st and 33rd overall picks and hope to move up into the Top 15 or Top 20. Another way would be to trade Tanev to the Leafs for their 1st++ assuming they lose to the Capitals which would give them the 18th overall pick.

 

That said if Foote is gone by then there are a few other players in that 10-20 range that would still be good picks.

 

- Cody Glass

- Elias Pettersson

- Michael Rasmussen

- Jusso Valimaki

- Eeli Tolvanen

- Miro Heiskanen

- Cal Foote

- Nick Suzuki

- Ryan Poehling

- Lias Andersson

- Klim Kostin (some scouts say beware of the Russian factor but we have Goldobin and Tryamkin so I wouldn't be too worries as long as he is OK with not being gifted a spot)

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28 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

The Brothers Strome overhype train rolls on.  Do they own a marketing company?

Agreed.  Neither looks that good tbh.  Maybe the Stromes use the same agent as LaMallo and LaFonzo Ball's Dad? B)

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