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"It will be a Center.

The only chance of drafting a PMD is in the 5th spot.

Makar is the highest D-man on the Canucks drafting list."

"Interesting, so you think the they have Mittelstadt and Necas in the 3/4 spot?"

"Mittelstadt is no doubt in the third slot."

This rather debunks contradicts the previous intel.

 

If this is more accurate, then their ranking is likely:

 

1/2 - Patrick/Hischier

3 - Mittelstadt

4 - Necas

5 - Makar/Suzuki, maybe Vilardi

 

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"Vilardi is more of a natural winger. They have talked about potentially moving him to center, but believe that there are better options who are natural centers available."

 

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18 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

This rather debunks contradicts the previous intel.

 

If this is more accurate, then their ranking is likely:

 

1/2 - Patrick/Hischier

3 - Mittelstadt

4 - Necas

5 - Makar/Suzuki, maybe Vilardi

 

 

Further to add to your quotes:

 

"Mittelstadt is not just a player they are high on. Benning has watched him on countless occasions and has been basically "wowed" with his hands in tight spots and zones. A few people have told me that they have him as high as #3 in the draft this year."

 

I think those who were not so high on Mittelstadt might want to take another look - could be a very real possibility that we take him #3. Not just based on this one source, but many rankings have him up there and the negativity is only centered around "quality of competition" and his "game translating to the NHL". The good thing about him is that he is going the college route so we won't see him for another year or two. 

 

Necas at #4 I can see. He has probably the best skating in the draft and has a great ability to find offensive opportunities through hard work. We would also have free reign on his development path. 

 

If we land in the #5 slot, this pick will be another one of those debated forever drafts. Tyson Jost was the last player to be selected in the top 10 coming out of a junior league, and he absolutely destroyed the U18 tournament his draft year. Has Cale Makar done enough / shown enough to selected that high?

 

Suzuki I can be sold on because I think his skills are very apparent when you watch him play. If the Canucks are high enough on him to be taken 5th overall, I have no problem with that. 

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4 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

Further to add to your quotes:

 

"Mittelstadt is not just a player they are high on. Benning has watched him on countless occasions and has been basically "wowed" with his hands in tight spots and zones. A few people have told me that they have him as high as #3 in the draft this year."

 

I think those who were not so high on Mittelstadt might want to take another look - could be a very real possibility that we take him #3. Not just based on this one source, but many rankings have him up there and the negativity is only centered around "quality of competition" and his "game translating to the NHL". The good thing about him is that he is going the college route so we won't see him for another year or two. 

 

Necas at #4 I can see. He has probably the best skating in the draft and has a great ability to find offensive opportunities through hard work. We would also have free reign on his development path. 

 

If we land in the #5 slot, this pick will be another one of those debated forever drafts. Tyson Jost was the last player to be selected in the top 10 coming out of a junior league, and he absolutely destroyed the U18 tournament his draft year. Has Cale Makar done enough / shown enough to selected that high?

 

Suzuki I can be sold on because I think his skills are very apparent when you watch him play. If the Canucks are high enough on him to be taken 5th overall, I have no problem with that. 

Makar really hasn't proved much in any real competition though. No point taking two defensemen with a top five pick back to back, that's just poor strategy.

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47 minutes ago, TheHitman said:

Makar really hasn't proved much in any real competition though. No point taking two defensemen with a top five pick back to back, that's just poor strategy.

I don't agree that taking a defenseman in the Top5 back-to-back is a poor strategy because I believe in taking BPA, but I do agree that we should be selecting a center and not one of the defensemen available this year. In my opinion, Makar seems similar to what Stecher already brings to the team as well and I am definitely not convinced that Makar will be better than Stecher. 

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5 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

I don't agree that taking a defenseman in the Top5 back-to-back is a poor strategy because I believe in taking BPA, but I do agree that we should be selecting a center and not one of the defensemen available this year. In my opinion, Makar seems similar to what Stecher already brings to the team as well and I am definitely not convinced that Makar will be better than Stecher. 

When's the last time a contending team has picked two defensemen in a row with top five picks though. I agree that taking the BPA is the way to go but wouldn't Nick Suzuki be the BPA after Patrick, Hischier, and Vilardi? The guy's got the stats and playing style similar to Christian Dvorak, probably the most overlooked guy this draft IMO. 

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my top 5 to this point:

- Patrick (tall, physical 2 way center that the Canucks could use down the road when the Sedins retire. plays with an edge and p/g producer which would interest any team. good hockey IQ, good along the boards, good work ethic. comparisons to Getzlaf who has been all over the Flames in 1st couple games of the 1st round series)

- Hischier (silky hands, good with the puck, nice release, good speed, has some nice, raw skill, good playmaker which Benning is looking for, good 2 way game as well,  comparisons to Zetterberg)

- Necas (impressed at this year's WJCs, good 2 way center, great with the puck, solid hockey IQ, nice pass along with a good looking shot, 

- Vilardi (big, hulking body, physical, great puck control along the boards, good play maker, does the dirty work around the crease and will hurt you if the netminder gives up a rebound and usually buries those

- Pettersson (could bulk up a bit, good playmaker, great year playing with our very own Dahlen, great hockey IQ, playmaker, and good release

outside my top 5 that could potentially be steals are Middlestadt, Makar, Valimaki, Foote and they all have good bets of being good NHL regulars down the road for different reasons. if we somehow add another mid round 1st and one of the 4 are available, I wouldn't think twice and draft them

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Just now, TheHitman said:

When's the last time a contending team has picked two defensemen in a row with top five picks though. I agree that taking the BPA is the way to go but wouldn't Nick Suzuki be the BPA after Patrick, Hischier, and Vilardi. The guy's got the stats and playing style similar to Christian Dvorak, probably the most overlooked guy this draft IMO. 

Off the top the of head, I know that LA Kings took Thomas Hickey and then took Drew Doughty back-to-back years in the Top5. I would definitely take Nick Suzuki before Cale Makar. What was being referenced is that an "insider" stated that Vilardi may not even be in the Canucks Top5. I wouldn't have Makar in my Top5. 

 

According to the source: 

1/2 - Patrick/Hischier

3 - Mittelstadt

4 - Necas

5 - Makar/Suzuki

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2 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

Off the top the of head, I know that LA Kings took Thomas Hickey and then took Drew Doughty back-to-back years in the Top5. I would definitely take Nick Suzuki before Cale Makar. What was being referenced is that an "insider" stated that Vilardi may not even be in the Canucks Top5. I wouldn't have Makar in my Top5. 

 

According to the source: 

1/2 - Patrick/Hischier

3 - Mittelstadt

4 - Necas

5 - Makar/Suzuki

Forgot about the LA Kings making that move. Wasn't Hickey ranked a lot further down in the draft and then last minute moved up in the rankings to get picked in the top five? Having the Canucks end up in a similar situation by picking Makar would be my worry. 

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2 minutes ago, TheHitman said:

Forgot about the LA Kings making that move. Wasn't Hickey ranked a lot further down in the draft and then last minute moved up in the rankings to get picked in the top five? Having the Canucks end up in a similar situation by picking Makar would be my worry. 

Yeah I think they went off the board a little bit with the Hickey pick - was ranked somewhere in the mid 1st I think. This year is definitely the year to pick up a centerman in the Top5 though and the Canucks are sorely needed that position to be filled so I don't think there is anyway they walk away from the draft without one of the top centermen. Next year I would seriously look at getting another defensemen depending where we land in the Top5... if we land in the Top5 - com' on Dahlin! 

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Well all Cody Glass did today was hop on a 9hr flight to Slovakia, grab himself a little cat nap, skate on a 2nd line with Matthew Strome and simply dominated the Swiss with 2 goals and an assist at U18 tourney.

I'm convinced that if we do win 1st pick that we either trade down and select Glass or if no trade partner, simply select Glass.

For all the talk Mittlestadt gets and all the hype Patrick and He-She get, Glass is right there and I'm betting has a very long and productive career.

Many compare him to Schieffle and that's good enough for me. Patrick seems to be too injured too often with a recent knee injury. Reading Kuzma's Province article, they won't even disclose his latest injury.

Glass has roughly the same ppg avg as Hischier but bigger. Loves to score, defensively responsible and loves to dish the puck.

 

Glass is my pick

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10 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

Yeah I think they went off the board a little bit with the Hickey pick - was ranked somewhere in the mid 1st I think. This year is definitely the year to pick up a centerman in the Top5 though and the Canucks are sorely needed that position to be filled so I don't think there is anyway they walk away from the draft without one of the top centermen. Next year I would seriously look at getting another defensemen depending where we land in the Top5... if we land in the Top5 - com' on Dahlin! 

We could get a steal if we draft Grant or Matt Anderson in the 3rd or 4th round this year, both guys are headed to the NCAA where they could be potential stars. Alexis Binner is probably high on Benning's list as well, big shutdown d-man playing in the northeast that could be available in the fifth or sixth round. 

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On 4/16/2017 at 5:33 AM, Hutton Wink said:

The Brothers Strome overhype train rolls on.  Do they own a marketing company?

Dylan Strome is overated, yes, and certainly wasn't worth 3rd overall in that draft, but he's still going to be a very decent 2nd line center. Keller is killing it at the moment and Domi is proving he's worth top-6 minutes too so that gives them a very good top-3 centers. Keller > Strome = Domi. There's no room really for a Nolan or Hirschier in that mix unless they want to trade someone. If they did it'd probably be Strome and while he's putting up monster numbers in junior now as an overager, I don't think he's going to be better than Horvat. We need someone who can challenge Horvat for top line minutes.

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16 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Dylan Strome is overated, yes, and certainly wasn't worth 3rd overall in that draft, but he's still going to be a very decent 2nd line center. Keller is killing it at the moment and Domi is proving he's worth top-6 minutes too so that gives them a very good top-3 centers. Keller > Strome = Domi. There's no room really for a Nolan or Hirschier in that mix unless they want to trade someone. If they did it'd probably be Strome and while he's putting up monster numbers in junior now as an overager, I don't think he's going to be better than Horvat. We need someone who can challenge Horvat for top line minutes.

Domi plays wing

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1 hour ago, missioncanucksfan said:

Well all Cody Glass did today was hop on a 9hr flight to Slovakia, grab himself a little cat nap, skate on a 2nd line with Matthew Strome and simply dominated the Swiss with 2 goals and an assist at U18 tourney.

I'm convinced that if we do win 1st pick that we either trade down and select Glass or if no trade partner, simply select Glass.

For all the talk Mittlestadt gets and all the hype Patrick and He-She get, Glass is right there and I'm betting has a very long and productive career.

Many compare him to Schieffle and that's good enough for me. Patrick seems to be too injured too often with a recent knee injury. Reading Kuzma's Province article, they won't even disclose his latest injury.

Glass has roughly the same ppg avg as Hischier but bigger. Loves to score, defensively responsible and loves to dish the puck.

 

Glass is my pick

His father is 6'5" and his brother is 6'6".  He's grown almost 2 inches since last year.  It's conceivable he fills out around 6'4" and 215 pounds. Imagine him playing at that size with his skill set. He could end up the best player in the draft. I still like Hischier 1st overall but I like Glass over and above most everybody else. 

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3 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

Further to add to your quotes:

 

"Mittelstadt is not just a player they are high on. Benning has watched him on countless occasions and has been basically "wowed" with his hands in tight spots and zones. A few people have told me that they have him as high as #3 in the draft this year."

 

I think those who were not so high on Mittelstadt might want to take another look - could be a very real possibility that we take him #3. Not just based on this one source, but many rankings have him up there and the negativity is only centered around "quality of competition" and his "game translating to the NHL". The good thing about him is that he is going the college route so we won't see him for another year or two. 

 

Necas at #4 I can see. He has probably the best skating in the draft and has a great ability to find offensive opportunities through hard work. We would also have free reign on his development path. 

 

If we land in the #5 slot, this pick will be another one of those debated forever drafts. Tyson Jost was the last player to be selected in the top 10 coming out of a junior league, and he absolutely destroyed the U18 tournament his draft year. Has Cale Makar done enough / shown enough to selected that high?

 

Suzuki I can be sold on because I think his skills are very apparent when you watch him play. If the Canucks are high enough on him to be taken 5th overall, I have no problem with that. 

Mittlestad is going to go high this draft. Not my first pick and I would want Patrick if he drops. Liljegren is another player, still think he is the best d in the draft. 

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2 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

I don't agree that taking a defenseman in the Top5 back-to-back is a poor strategy because I believe in taking BPA, but I do agree that we should be selecting a center and not one of the defensemen available this year. In my opinion, Makar seems similar to what Stecher already brings to the team as well and I am definitely not convinced that Makar will be better than Stecher. 

Would rather have Liljegren or Foote over Makar. The Makar hype has propelled him into the top 15 of the draft, but he doesn't belong in the top 5-10. 

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34 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

His father is 6'5" and his brother is 6'6".  He's grown almost 2 inches since last year.  It's conceivable he fills out around 6'4" and 215 pounds. Imagine him playing at that size with his skill set. He could end up the best player in the draft. I still like Hischier 1st overall but I like Glass over and above most everybody else. 

And to trade down, get a decent player, pick or prospect AND select Glass is a good days work

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1 hour ago, Harvey Spector said:

His father is 6'5" and his brother is 6'6".  He's grown almost 2 inches since last year.  It's conceivable he fills out around 6'4" and 215 pounds. Imagine him playing at that size with his skill set. He could end up the best player in the draft. I still like Hischier 1st overall but I like Glass over and above most everybody else. 

By that comparison....if he ends up 6'4, he now goes from Scheillfe to Getzlaf territory 

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