Nucker 67 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) It's going to be interesting who the Canucks take 1st and where that player will end up. The Canucks have options of moving players (Dahlen, Granlund, Gaunce) to other positions too. Then there's always trades to make room. Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Goldobin - Dahlen - Virtanen Granlund - Gaudette - Lockwood Gaunce/Zalewski - Labate/MacEwen - Grenier/Rendulic I like how the future team is shaping up. Edited April 22, 2017 by NUCKER67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, two drink minimum said: I recall CDC'ers suggesting the Canucks trading Bo Horvat and their 1st round pick (#6) just to draft Sam Reinhart. Such lunacy on here at times hindsight is 20/20 but u make a solid point. bo wasn't on our radar back then like he is now. many had him pegged as a career 3rd liner then. he's clearly proven otherwise since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 11 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Patrick may still be number one, but what Im saying is that size and nationality shouldn't completely determine who whom picks. The poster that quoted me and I quoted in return referenced those as the numbers and said that because Patrick is Canadian we should pick him over the Swiss. I disagreed. In my mind size helps but being smart and having skill is more important. In the big picture. Yeah exactly... its called tried and true. What are you? anti Canadian? Eight out of ten scouts have Patrick as the better player and its no fluke he's a Canadian kid with NHL pedigree. All things being equal the percentages prove over time Canadians are better hockey players. Believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I think this finnish D man Miro Hesikanen is making a case to be the first D man chosen in the draft this year. My top five are: Nolan Hischier Middlestadt Vilardi Necas/ Glass/ Hesikanen/ Makar As you can see I'm undecided on #5. Centreman or D man? This MacKenizie Entwistle looks like a great pick up with our #33 pick. He has been noticeable in the u18 Tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 13 hours ago, VanIslander89 said: Don't know if this has been discussed or not but I had forgotten how often 2nd best odds have won recently. 2012 draft lottery, 29th place EDM jumped 30th place CBJ 2013 draft lottery, 29th place COL jumped 30th place FLA 2014 draft lottery, 29th place FLA jumped 30th place BUF 2015 draft lottery, 29th place EDM jumped 30th place BUF Crappy luck for Buffalo... McDavid and Ekblad or Eichel and Reinhart... What could've been... I know it's all random as hell, just wanted to bring that to some people's attention who maybe wern't aware. Fingers crossed... One week today... I was wondering about this, and i looked up when the draft lottery rules changed. New rules were put in place in 2015 that weighted the odds a little more evenly. In 2016 the top 3 spots turned into a lottery. I attribute these new rules as an attempt to regulate teams like the Edmonton Oilers (one of the biggest jokes of a team in all north american pro sports for almost a decade) from constantly getting cream of the crop players at the draft. The crappy part is that now that we suck we have to abide by rules put in place to keep teams like the cOilers from mopping up - how convenient for them now that they dont need the draft to build their team. Quote https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-announces-changes-to-draft-lottery-format/c-728795 2015 NHL Draft Lottery The odds of winning the first overall selection in the NHL Draft for the 14 non-Playoff teams will be adjusted to more appropriately reflect the current state of competitive balance in the League. This will result in a more evenly-balanced allocation of odds, with the 10 highest-finishing non-Playoff qualifying teams receiving higher (better) Draft Lottery odds than they received previously and the four lowest-finishing teams receiving lower (worse) odds. The revised set of odds will remain in effect year-to-year in the future. Non-Playoff Team (Fewest Pts. to Most) New Draft Lottery Odds Odds Under Former Allocation 1 20.0% 25.0% 2 13.5% 18.8% 3 11.5% 14.2% 4 9.5% 10.7% 5 8.5% 8.1% 6 7.5% 6.2% 7 6.5% 4.7% 8 6.0% 3.6% 9 5.0% 2.7% 10 3.5% 2.1% 11 3.0% 1.5% 12 2.5% 1.1% 13 2.0% 0.8% 14 1.0% 0.5% 2016 NHL Draft Lottery Beginning in 2016, the Draft Lottery will be utilized to assign the top three drafting slots in the NHL Draft, an expansion over previous years when the Draft Lottery was used to determine the winner of the first overall selection only. Three draws will be held: the 1st Lottery draw will determine the Club selecting first overall, the 2nd Lottery draw will determine the Club selecting second overall and the 3rd Lottery draw will determine the club selecting third overall. As a result of this change, the team earning the fewest points during the regular season will no longer be guaranteed, at worst, the second overall pick. That club could fall as low as fourth overall. The allocation of odds for the 1st Lottery draw will be the same as outlined above for the 2015 NHL Draft Lottery. The odds for the remaining teams will increase on a proportionate basis for the 2nd Lottery draw, based on which Club wins the 1st Lottery draw, and again for the 3rd Lottery draw, based on which Club wins the 2nd Lottery draw. The 11 Clubs not selected in the Draft Lottery will be assigned NHL Draft selections 4 through 14, in inverse order of regular-season points. Share this article 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Drogo Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, funkyfresh said: Hischier definitely isn't 6'1. He's 6ft, at most, and only 175lbs compared to Patrick at 6'3" and 200lbs. So, there is a considerable difference between the two. Size and weight aren't everything but still should be considered, in my opinion. For example, at the top prospects game, Hischier and Patrick went into a board battle and Patrick basically just threw him down like it was nothing. For me, if it wasn't for his injuries and his personality, Patrick would be number 1 without a doubt. I remember that clear as day, Patrick man-handling Hischier. Patrick looked like a man amongst children in general that game. This kid has a lot to offer. On the other hand, Hischier's skill was far above everyone else in that game, which is saying a lot being that it was a Top Prospect game! If I had the job of selecting first overall this draft, I honestly don't know which I would take. If we are fortunate enough to walk out of this draft with either one I will be ecstactic. Edited April 22, 2017 by Canuck Drogo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, Darius71 said: I was wondering about this, and i looked up when the draft lottery rules changed. New rules were put in place in 2015 that weighted the odds a little more evenly. In 2016 the top 3 spots turned into a lottery. I attribute these new rules as an attempt to regulate teams like the Edmonton Oilers (one of the biggest jokes of a team in all north american pro sports for almost a decade) from constantly getting cream of the crop players at the draft. The crappy part is that now that we suck we have to abide by rules put in place to keep teams like the cOilers from mopping up - how convenient for them now that they dont need the draft to build their team. Bingo! It feels like you are being punished if you finish in the bottom 3 now. Of course the rules change now that we suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: If we pick 5th, he would be my choice as well. I could see Benning liking Glass. I'd rather have Vilardi or Mittelstadt though. All looking like good picks, but wouldn't be shocked if we hear Heiskanen called either. JB has a history of picking guys who've shown well at the worlds. Edited April 22, 2017 by Hutton Wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said: All looking like good picks, but wouldn't be shocked if we hear Hesikanen called either. JB has a history of picking guys who've shown well at the worlds. Would much rather take Hesikanen then Liljegren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I don't know why Jusso Valimaki isn't getting enough love here. 6'2 200lbs and over a PPG in the WHL. 60gps 19g 42a 61pts. He's an all-around defenseman that excels at pretty much every aspect. Valimaki's been compared to our very own Mattias Ohlund. My top 5 for defenseman in this draft: Heiskanen Valimaki Liljegren Foote Makar Tbh, not even sold on Makar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) Hischier's PPG this season is higher than Patrick's was this year or last year when he had his 100 point season. Patrick is a fantastic blend of skill and size but with his injury history I think I would prefer Hischier. The way he drives the offense for his team whether its international play or with the Mooseheads is something special I think. We could use a player like that on our team desperately if he can hit his potential. Edited April 22, 2017 by Smashian Kassian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Hischier's PPG this season is higher than Patrick's was this year or last year when he had his 100 point season. Patrick is a fantastic blend of skill and size but with his injury history I think I would prefer Hischier. The way he drives the offense for his team whether its international play or with the Mooseheads is something special I think. We could use a player like that on our team desperately if he can hit his potential. The combine will help make some tough decisions. If Patrick blows away the combine he's 1st overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 50 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: The combine will help make some tough decisions. If Patrick blows away the combine he's 1st overall. I agree, I wasn't worried about the injury stuff with Patrick until just recently. We'll have to see how he does at the combine, that could be important for a few of the projected high 1st rounders. I hope Patrick goes first and we get Hischier 2. Fingers crossed. *knocks on wood* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, messier's_elbow said: The combine will help make some tough decisions. If Patrick blows away the combine he's 1st overall. To be honest, the combine means nothing. To be completely frank. The interviews are the more important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: To be honest, the combine means nothing. To be completely frank. The interviews are the more important part. I see your point but I disagree. In 2014 I wasn't high on Nylander until after the combine. When I saw how strong and committed he was to training, I was all in on him. Look how he turned out. It shows how committed the players are to getting better. There are obviously some exceptions. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 After seeing Nico Hischier's speed and edge work I wouldn't be surprised if he dominates in the combine. I could see Patrick being similar to PLD of last season. Hischier i see similar to Tyson Jost but better finishing, speed, and edge work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: It's going to be interesting who the Canucks take 1st and where that player will end up. The Canucks have options of moving players (Dahlen, Granlund, Gaunce) to other positions too. Then there's always trades to make room. Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Goldobin - Dahlen - Virtanen Granlund - Gaudette - Lockwood Gaunce/Zalewski - Labate/MacEwen - Grenier/Rendulic I like how the future team is shaping up. Tbh, I only see these players as the core of the future. ? Horvat Boeser Dahlen ? ? Granlund ? Virtanen ? ? ? Defence: Stetcher Juolevi ? ? ? ? Edited April 23, 2017 by runtzguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, runtzguy said: Tbh, I only see these players as the core of the future. ? Horvat Boeser Dahlen ? ? Granlund ? Virtanen ? ? ? Defence: Stetcher Juolevi ? ? ? ? I'd throw Hutton in there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan10 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 San Jose winning the cup and giving us their first was always a longshot but I expected them to atleast beat the oilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: I'd throw Hutton in there as well. Unless Hutton improves his shot, I do not see him here for the future. He will probably be packaged for a forward in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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