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where would you even look to see for updates on prospect info such as height or weight, updated after the combine.  I took a look at Elite Prospects and they have Cale Makar at 5'10'' whereas on other sites he is listed at 5'11, also took a look at Vilardi and elite prospects has him at 6'2'' and mynhldraft.com has him at 6'3''.  Just curious, be nice to know Makars growth over the last year, if he is 5'11'' now maybe he grows an inch or 2 within the next year, one can hope right haha.

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1 hour ago, JamesBlondage said:

I believe that the year (or two) that he will spend at The University of Minnesota will help with his fitness levels. The NCAA teams all have excellent training facilities and the shorter schedule lends itself to much more off ice training than the CHL leagues. Could be a big plus for Mittlestadt and a guy like Makar. 

Completely agree.  

 

My "dream" draft scenario would be picking up the 3OA and drafting Villardi - Makar but if we stand pat at 5 either Mittelstadt/Makar would still be great.  

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4 minutes ago, WeatherWise said:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2017-nhl-combine-heights-weights/

 

Some of the measurements in order from shortest to tallest:

 

Eeli Tolvanen: 5-foot-10.5, 189.48 pounds
Nick Suzuki: 5-foot-11, 183.2 pounds
Lias Andersson: 5-foot-11, 200.68 pounds
Cale Makar: 5-foot-11.25, 187.44 pounds
Casey Mittelstadt: 5-foot-11.5, 198.98 pounds
Owen Tippett: 6-foot-0.5, 202.76 pounds
Miro Heiskanen: 6-foot-0.75, 172.16 pounds
Martin Necas: 6-foot-1, 178.34 pounds
Nico Hischier: 6-foot-1.5, 178.55 pounds
Elias Pettersson: 6-foot-1.75, 164.62 pounds
Cody Glass: 6-foot-1.75, 177.86 pounds
Nolan Patrick: 6-foot-2, 198.82 pounds
Gabriel Vilardi: 6-foot-2.75, 202.8 pounds
Kristian Vesalainen: 6-foot-3.75, 209.22 pounds
Michael Rasmussen: 6-foot-5.5, 221.22 pounds

 

Heiskanen is listed at 6-2 

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4 minutes ago, WeatherWise said:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2017-nhl-combine-heights-weights/

 

Some of the measurements in order from shortest to tallest:

 

Eeli Tolvanen: 5-foot-10.5, 189.48 pounds
Nick Suzuki: 5-foot-11, 183.2 pounds
Lias Andersson: 5-foot-11, 200.68 pounds
Cale Makar: 5-foot-11.25, 187.44 pounds
Casey Mittelstadt: 5-foot-11.5, 198.98 pounds
Owen Tippett: 6-foot-0.5, 202.76 pounds
Miro Heiskanen: 6-foot-0.75, 172.16 pounds
Martin Necas: 6-foot-1, 178.34 pounds
Nico Hischier: 6-foot-1.5, 178.55 pounds
Elias Pettersson: 6-foot-1.75, 164.62 pounds
Cody Glass: 6-foot-1.75, 177.86 pounds
Nolan Patrick: 6-foot-2, 198.82 pounds
Gabriel Vilardi: 6-foot-2.75, 202.8 pounds
Kristian Vesalainen: 6-foot-3.75, 209.22 pounds
Michael Rasmussen: 6-foot-5.5, 221.22 pounds

Whoa awesome!!  Thanks!!!  Nice to see Makar grew an inch haha...  kind of surprised on Middlestadt, he was listed at 6 feet, just a shade under at the combine.

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2 hours ago, Stelar said:

Patrick Kane did one bench press in his combine. Pretty good player with 2 cups and a league scoring title. Not saying Middelstat is Kane but for the most part these tests mean F all for what a player will be.  

I get that, but Kane is one lucky SOB.  Very immature kid.  Very talented... but almost traded by the Hawks early in his career due to his immaturity.  If he was drafted by a different team his career could have gone very differently.  That SC winning goal against Philly cemented his legacy and created the player we see today. 

 

That said... I think Casey is the 2nd most talented offensive forward in the draft behind Hischier.  I'm still super high on him.  His combine results does make me question some things though.  He was my pick for the Canucks because they desperately need skill over anything else.  Now not so sure.

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Just now, Sugar baby watermelon said:

Wasn't that was he was listed at at the combine?  and then they said the results were skewered because they measured them in their shoes.

Ya, apparently the first group was measured with shoes on so there is a side note to subtract 2 inches from everyone in the 7:30am group. So Heiskanen is closer to 6 feet even.

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Can I inquire as to why no one is interested in Owen Tippett? Every mock draft I see he is top 10, but literally every Canucks fan seems to have zero interest in him. I'm seeing every Canucks fan showing interest in practically all the other likely top 10 guys plus even some potentially outside the top 10, but no one mentions Tippett and his numbers were awesome so it can't possibly be lack of skill. Is it just because he's a winger and we all want a center or defense, character issues, etc? What's the deal out of curiosity. 

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Mittelstadt's struggle with upper body strength is concerning. Yes he could get stronger as he gets older, but it's his lack of preparation for the combine. Also his great stats are from playing high school hockey, so makes me wonder if he could translate to the NHL easily. His skill is undeniable, but it may be years until he plays in the NHL, similar to Shinkaruk, who will be 23 in the fall and has only played 15 NHL games.

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8 minutes ago, WeatherWise said:

There is not a lot of versatility or diversity in Tippett's game. It would be fair to call him a low-IQ player.

He possesses no east-west game and relies heavily on moving the puck up the ice with speed, so by definition he is a north-south player. I have seen some people compare him to Jake Virtanen, but this is a poor comparison. He is much more explosive than a player like Jake Virtanen and isn't quite as physical. They are not the same type of player in some respects, as Virtanen is more of a power forward while Tippett is more of a speedster with a sprinkle, albeit not a lot, of power.

Tippett's game is all about getting the puck into the middle of the ice, whether he is the one taking it into the middle with the puck on his stick, or passing it into the middle. His work along the boards and his cycle game are somewhat limited, as his mindset is always to get the puck into a prime shooting area above the goal line rather than to move it around the zone to open up space.

He loves to gather speed and take it up the ice himself; he is shifty and explosive enough to move it quickly and beat players one-on-one, and can explode from a standstill to beat a player one-on-one in the offensive zone. If a defenceman is caught flat-footed, he'll speed right by them. His skating ability is dynamic, unlike Virtanen who lacks acceleration and shiftiness, and whose game was based around bulldozing to the net with strength.

Tippett also has a tendency to shoot the puck from low-percentage areas when the other team fails to give him space to skate or pass the puck into the middle. Rather than dump the puck in, he'll launch the puck from his stick and try to force it on net.

As of right now, he is rather one-dimensional. His shot is terrific, and his skating ability is excellent. However, at the NHL level these kinds of plays tend to be contained due to the defensive discipline and skill of the opposition. He has only a small number of plays in his arsenal and he forces them several times a game.

There isn't much more to his game than his rushes, his desire to move the puck into the middle, and his shot. He is a project and a high-risk pick because his game revolves around a very limited set of talents and not a lot of hockey sense or poise. Unless a team wants to commit themselves to rounding out his game and teaching him other offensive elements, they will likely pass on him.

He is a better skater than Nail Yakupov, but he has the same kind of risk associated with him -- a limited, underdeveloped offensive mindset.

 

Here is footage from one of his performances this season:

 

 

Thanks for all that in depth information. I really appreciate it. Just in watching the first half of that video I can see what you're saying. He looks like a very lazy skater and player when he doesn't have the puck on his stick. I noticed a few times there he blindly throws passes as opposed to making a quality attempt. He also seems to be willing to shoot from anywhere, even if it means getting is shot blocked. It looks like he's the kind of kid that could put up good numbers based on pure skill but really doesn't offer a lot else as far as a team game is concerned. I've noticed over the years that these low IQ players don't usually pan out, as you mentioned like a guy like Yakupov. Players can be coached, but low hockey IQ is not easy to fix. 

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So hopefully we can get a Tanev trade for a 8-12 pick. My hopefuls are pretty much all forwards.

5th Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Liljigren

8-12th Pettersson, Necas, Glass, Makar, Vesalainen

33rd Yamamoto, Norris

55th Chmelevski, Leschyshyn, Brook

63rd Leschyshyn, Brook, Gadjovich

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At 33 I would want Yammamoto, Oettinger, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas or Brannstrom. I was able to watch Yammamoto live earlier in the year. He was always the most dangerous player with the puck. He evaded defenders pretty well when he had the puck with quick turns. He was feeding passes to open teammates within the zone all night. He's more of a lottery pick, but I would be very happy if we got him at 33.

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8 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Mittelstadt's struggle with upper body strength is concerning. Yes he could get stronger as he gets older, but it's his lack of preparation for the combine. Also his great stats are from playing high school hockey, so makes me wonder if he could translate to the NHL easily. His skill is undeniable, but it may be years until he plays in the NHL, similar to Shinkaruk, who will be 23 in the fall and has only played 15 NHL games.

Kind of like Jordan Subban

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3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

At 33 I would want Yammamoto, Oettinger, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas or Brannstrom. I was able to watch Yammamoto live earlier in the year. He was always the most dangerous player with the puck. He evaded defenders pretty well when he had the puck with quick turns. He was feeding passes to open teammates within the zone all night. He's more of a lottery pick, but I would be very happy if we got him at 33.

I like Jason Robertson or Isaac Ratcliffe at 33 if Hague is not available which he probably won't be

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18 minutes ago, CanuckFan1123 said:

Can I inquire as to why no one is interested in Owen Tippett? Every mock draft I see he is top 10, but literally every Canucks fan seems to have zero interest in him. I'm seeing every Canucks fan showing interest in practically all the other likely top 10 guys plus even some potentially outside the top 10, but no one mentions Tippett and his numbers were awesome so it can't possibly be lack of skill. Is it just because he's a winger and we all want a center or defense, character issues, etc? What's the deal out of curiosity. 

I really like Tippett and believe he'll be a solid top 6 NHL player. Some Flames fans are apparently really high on this kid and are wondering if they could trade up to get him.

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Did anyone else notice that Norris and Yamamoto were in almost every top ten test? Norris usually in the top 1-5. take the combine testing as you will but that's still pretty impressive. If nothing else it shows their competitiveness. Norris' combine results remind me a lot of Jacob Chychrun.

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48 minutes ago, CanuckFan1123 said:

Can I inquire as to why no one is interested in Owen Tippett? Every mock draft I see he is top 10, but literally every Canucks fan seems to have zero interest in him. I'm seeing every Canucks fan showing interest in practically all the other likely top 10 guys plus even some potentially outside the top 10, but no one mentions Tippett and his numbers were awesome so it can't possibly be lack of skill. Is it just because he's a winger and we all want a center or defense, character issues, etc? What's the deal out of curiosity. 

I think it's precisely because he is a winger.  Canucks have a few prospects on the wings but very little on D or up the middle.

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