higgyfan Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: I have actually asked this question twice now and NOBODY has actually answered it I'd capably say we have a Tippett in Virtanen and that Vesalainen/Tolvanen project as better overall wingers simply based on their on ice IQ. Yeah, he has a great skill set, but I've seen it mentioned several times (both by pros and non pros that have seen him play) that his hockey sense isn't anywhere near elite. I see that he's being mentioned in the top 5 consistently, so it is quite a concern. He certainly has elite aspects of his game, but will the average IQ hold him back when it comes to making the jump to the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Patrick drops that far vilardi is gone imo That's fine if we have Patrick and Horvat Mittelstadt might be just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: Well.....first off......most of the entire NHL scouting fraternity seems to think he is Personally, I seen him at the U17's where he was a dominant player every game....scoring 3 or 4 goals in the gold metal game In the OHL he has continued at relatively the same pace....very consistent I am not saying you are wrong WH, but what makes you think they are as good as Tippett? He is in no way the same as Virtanen.......who was seen as a late 1st round pick by some teams.....which have been proven correct up until this point A low IQ fast north south winger. That sounds very familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Warhippy said: A low IQ fast north south winger. That sounds very familiar I am not sure he is a "low" IQ player.....rather an exceptional north south player with average IQ Don't get me wrong WH......I am not saying he is our best fit........but he is ranked in the top 10 in most, and a few have him ranked top 5ish He kinda reminds me of Neely.......again a north/south player with speed/size/ and was a sniper I am excited about the draft, and always interested in what Bennings going to do........I still want to get the 3rd and 5th picks OA.........doubt it happens but you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 If Patrick didn't have the injuries and health was not a concern do you guys think he would be the sure fire number one pick or still debatable with Hischier? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnipeshow91 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Don't think Vilardi will be there for our pick. My next choice would be cody glass. In my eyes he can be that #1 playmaking center, I'd say he's up there with nico and nolan in terms of playmaking ability. He has the 3 attributes that scouts covet the most; Skating, size and hockey IQ. Put him with some quality goal scorers on his wing and I think he could be our #1 center moving forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Gimme Glass or Mittelstadt. I am more excited for this draft than last years. Probably cause we could walk away with two top 5 picks. Long shot, but it's exciting to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, TheSnipeshow91 said: Don't think Vilardi will be there for our pick. My next choice would be cody glass. In my eyes he can be that #1 playmaking center, I'd say he's up there with nico and nolan in terms of playmaking ability. He has the 3 attributes that scouts covet the most; Skating, size and hockey IQ. Put him with some quality goal scorers on his wing and I think he could be our #1 center moving forward. If the rumours were true, and there was a potential deal of Tanev and both seconds for the 3rd overall. I'd take the gamble. It's a steep price but Vilardi and Horvat down the middle would get us contending for a playoff spot again in 2 years. He's going to be a beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnipeshow91 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, messier's_elbow said: If the rumours were true, and there was a potential deal of Tanev and both seconds for the 3rd overall. I'd take the gamble. It's a steep price but Vilardi and Horvat down the middle would get us contending for a playoff spot again in 2 years. He's going to be a beast. I think dallas would want our 5th in any sort of deal with their 3rd, but if we can walk out of the draft with Vilardi and Makar, and they reach their full potential, this could go down as one of the best drafts in our franchise's history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, TheSnipeshow91 said: I think dallas would want our 5th in any sort of deal with their 3rd, but if we can walk out of the draft with Vilardi and Makar, and they reach their full potential, this could go down as one of the best drafts in our franchise's history. I think your right, but I wouldn't trade Tanev and the 5th for the 3rd straight up. This is coming from a guy who desperately wants Vilardi but isn't willing to be bent over to acquire him.If Dallas added the Ducks 1st rounder it would be fair. We draft Vilardi and then the best available Dman with the Ducks pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: There would be guts decorated outside the Bell Centre It would be a spectacle of the ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, Baratheon said: If Patrick didn't have the injuries and health was not a concern do you guys think he would be the sure fire number one pick or still debatable with Hischier? Just curious Yes I think so. However with the injuries I could see him slip to 3rd overall. Highly unlikely but due to Vilardi's memorial cup I think theres a chance. If Benning really likes Vilardi he should trade up before the draft starts. Almost guarantees you Vilardi and if not him you'd get Patrick. However if you wait and Patrick slips to 3 Dallas doesn't trade that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 48 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I am not sure he is a "low" IQ player.....rather an exceptional north south player with average IQ Don't get me wrong WH......I am not saying he is our best fit........but he is ranked in the top 10 in most, and a few have him ranked top 5ish He kinda reminds me of Neely.......again a north/south player with speed/size/ and was a sniper I am excited about the draft, and always interested in what Bennings going to do........I still want to get the 3rd and 5th picks OA.........doubt it happens but you never know! Craig Button had him at 20 on his list. You know who also ranked Jake Virtanen low and out of the first round? Craig Button. Not that his opinion is the end all be all, but if we want to judge players Hockey IQ consistently, this is one gauge we might use to determine how Tippett compares given their similar skill set. I think this team is calling for a highly skilled, high IQ player that could potentially take over some of the reigns from the Sedins after their gone - we need playmakers who determine the pace of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: I think your right, but I wouldn't trade Tanev and the 5th for the 3rd straight up. This is coming from a guy who desperately wants Vilardi but isn't willing to be bent over to acquire him.If Dallas added the Ducks 1st rounder it would be fair. We draft Vilardi and then the best available Dman with the Ducks pick. I could also see GM JB taking on a cap dump from one of Dallas' goalies to jump from #5 to #3. I don't think it would take much more than that given the parity of the players in that range. BOOM you get you guy Valardi and Dallas takes Mittelstadt or Heiskanen. EDIT: I honestly think that Mittelstadt is the guy Dallas would covet. I just think he's a Mike Madano type guy - good ol' 'murican boy. Edited June 6, 2017 by HomeBrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 We are in a good position at 5. I would not trade 5th + for DAL 3rd. We will get one of Valardi, Hiskanen, Mittlestad or Maker. I'm fine any of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: He kinda reminds me of Neely.......again a north/south player with speed/size/ and was a sniper Neely was an intimidating physical presence. Tippett not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Vilardi has grown on me big time. I just see him as a Getzlaf type player. Not speedy but incredibly difficult to handle on his skatea, top notch vision, great agility, and very smart. He always seems to be around the net. Hischier Patrick Vilardi Mittlestadt Glass Makar Thats my order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, Outsiders said: We are in a good position at 5. I would not trade 5th + for DAL 3rd. We will get one of Valardi, Hiskanen, Mittlestad or Maker. I'm fine any of them If the plus was one of their goalies and maybe our 3rd rounder or late 2nd I'd do it because over the last couple weeks I've grown to like Vilardi a bit more then those others on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Scenario: Hischier goes first overall. Philly isn't sold on Patrick recovering fully from his injuries and believes they will linger, so they take Vilardi who can still step in soon on an ELC. That leaves Patrick at #3. Now, if our medical staff believes he will be fine as long as he is treated properly, how much would you be willing to trade for that 3rd overall pick? Dallas would probably want Tanev + both of our 2nds. That's a steep price to pay. If we could keep our 33rd overall pick and take Lehtonen/Niemi while adding another later pick, I would be all over it. I would probably consider it even if we did end up having to give up both of our seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Scenario: Hischier goes first overall. Philly isn't sold on Patrick recovering fully from his injuries and believes they will linger, so they take Vilardi who can still step in soon on an ELC. That leaves Patrick at #3. Now, if our medical staff believes he will be fine as long as he is treated properly, how much would you be willing to trade for that 3rd overall pick? Dallas would probably want Tanev + both of our 2nds. That's a steep price to pay. If we could keep our 33rd overall pick and take Lehtonen/Niemi while adding another later pick, I would be all over it. I would probably consider it even if we did end up having to give up both of our seconds. I think there could be a scenario where they'd prefer Edler to Tanev. Main reasoning is the chemistry he developed with Klingberg at the World Championships as well as they have a need for LD. Dallas could be the place Edler would waive for and they need to get rid of a goalie so here's my proposal: To Vancouver: #3 overall pick, Antti Niemi To Dallas: Alex Edler, #55 overall pick 3rd overall: Nolan Patrick 5th overall: Cody Glass or Elias Pettersson Boom. Center issues solved for the next decade+. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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