Diamonds Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Scenario: Hischier goes first overall. Philly isn't sold on Patrick recovering fully from his injuries and believes they will linger, so they take Vilardi who can still step in soon on an ELC. That leaves Patrick at #3. Now, if our medical staff believes he will be fine as long as he is treated properly, how much would you be willing to trade for that 3rd overall pick? Dallas would probably want Tanev + both of our 2nds. That's a steep price to pay. If we could keep our 33rd overall pick and take Lehtonen/Niemi while adding another later pick, I would be all over it. I would probably consider it even if we did end up having to give up both of our seconds. To be honest, given how much more injured the Canucks tend to be than the league average and our history with prospects injuries, I'm not sure I really trust our medical staff to make such a judgement (especially if other teams do pass on Patrick because of injury concerns). I'd be willing to take the risk if we could add the 3rd OA to our 5th OA for something like Tanev + CBJ pick (not sure I would give up much more for an unknown commodity), but not if we have to give up the 5th OA. Edited June 6, 2017 by Diamonds spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Pears said: I think there could be a scenario where they'd prefer Edler to Tanev. Main reasoning is the chemistry he developed with Klingberg at the World Championships as well as they have a need for LD. Dallas could be the place Edler would waive for and they need to get rid of a goalie so here's my proposal: To Vancouver: #3 overall pick, Antti Niemi To Dallas: Alex Edler, #55 overall pick 3rd overall: Nolan Patrick 5th overall: Cody Glass or Elias Pettersson Boom. Center issues solved for the next decade+. You seriously think that will land 3OA..?..I admire your ambitious thinking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannnp Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 16 hours ago, Sugar baby watermelon said: What other teams can provide a player like Tanev to Dallas for that 3rd OA pick? Tanev is a calming presence in the back end and has some pretty good exit passes. Just out of curiousity. There are other teams with similar players that can provide as well right? Rumour has it that Minnesota is one. Due to the expansion draft theyre likely to lose one or thier top 4 d. Ive heard Dumba, Brodin or Spurgeon could be had for the 3rd overall. Not sure those defenseman can provide the shot suppression and stability on d that Tanev can but they are talented and younger. We may have to throw in a second but it would be worth it. Not sure if any team besides Vancouver and Minnesota can put a package enticing enough for the Stars who are desperate for a shutdown D (my opinion). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: You seriously think that will land 3OA..?..I admire your ambitious thinking. Considering there's a very good chance anyone picked outside of the top two never ends up being as good as Edler and Dallas's need for a player like Edler, could swing such a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, Blömqvist said: Definitely starting to look like the 3rd overall pick is available. If it really is, Benning should be all over it as it looks like the price could be for Tanev and a cap dump(s) coming back our way. Of the available RHD out there, Tanev seems like the best choice for the Stars. Barrie would be redundant on a team with Klingberg and Honka on the right side. Trouba could be a good fit as well but does not have as good of a shutdown game as Tanev does. Trouba does provide more points, but the issue with Dallas is not scoring but defending. Should the Canucks land the 3rd overall pick, we should consider getting a defenseman with one of our high picks and a centre with the other. 3rd: Vilardi or Heiskanen 5th: Makar or Pettersson This gives us a potential 1st line playmaking centre and a potential 1st pairing offensive defenseman in our system, two of the hardest positions to fill. Vlardi and Liljegren for me. Still think Makar is a judgement call for JB, his quality comp is very concerning for me as a top 5 pick. Glass is dropping for me, Mittlestad is now a second choice if Vlardi isn't available. Edited June 6, 2017 by Eastcoast meets Westcoast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 12 hours ago, Warhippy said: I have actually asked this question twice now and NOBODY has actually answered it I'd capably say we have a Tippett in Virtanen and that Vesalainen/Tolvanen project as better overall wingers simply based on their on ice IQ. We have such huge holes to fill and I would say Boeser is in the role that Tippet would be for. I have really good confidence in Boeser. It's not even Virtannen vs Tippet, its Boeser, Dalhin, Goldy and Virtannen along with Baer and Granlund. We have such huge needs in center and defence that at the top of the draft we can take the best available player and address team needs. Getting past 5, it is BPA more and more. In jr the best players trend towards center and defence, higher IQ, two way play and offensive vision in general. I am not against Tippet, nor was Tkachuk a bad choice, but the team needs centres and defence. If we picked a Goalie that was awesome at 5, I would have a hard time with that, nothing to do with the player, but this team needs centres and d men. EmW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichad Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Not a lot of love for Tippet around here. Kid is a gamer with a pro shot and size, I would be stoked if we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, Antichad said: Not a lot of love for Tippet around here. Kid is a gamer with a pro shot and size, I would be stoked if we got him. Solid prospect. Epic fail for anyone disliking this kid because he's a virtanen. He's nowhere near virtanen. That said we are stacked on Wing so no need for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Solid prospect. Epic fail for anyone disliking this kid because he's a virtanen. He's nowhere near virtanen. That said we are stacked on Wing so no need for him. Watching his videos. He looks like Virtanen, without the physicality. We've no need for another winger in that mold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 From what I've read, it appears that DAL would want Tanev, the #33 AND the #55 for the #3 pick. That's very steep, but I'm not surprised. It's a top 3 pick. So, those thinking Tanev alone could get us the #3, no way. I also see that if JB could get the #3 and keep the #5, he may take Heiskanen at #3 and then either Vilardi, Mittelstadt or Glass at #5. Hischier and Patrick are in their own upper echelon category, followed by Vilardi, Mittelstadt and Glass, and then everyone else. Patrick won't fall to #3. I can see a scenario where we trade Tanev, the #33 and take Niemi off their hands (contract dump) for the #3, but would that be possible for the Canucks to take on a cap dump? They've still got to re-sign Horvat, Gudbranson and a couple more players. They won't have much left to sign a UFA RHD to replace Tanev (temporarily) and keep Niemi's contract. They may get some cap relief if Sbisa is taken by LV in the ED, but that's just over $3M. I love all of the possibilities with trades and draft picks, some seem very exciting, but my feeling is that the Canucks will draft Glass at #5 and keep Tanev until the TDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Solid prospect. Epic fail for anyone disliking this kid because he's a virtanen. He's nowhere near virtanen. That said we are stacked on Wing so no need for him. His stats and scouting reports are not quite as good as Virtanen's in their respective draft years if you compare leagues played in so you are correct, he is not as touted. However, he is in a weaker overall draft than Virtanen so could go higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 9 hours ago, Honky Cat said: You seriously think that will land 3OA..?..I admire your ambitious thinking. You're forgetting: 10 hours ago, Pears said: To Vancouver: #3 overall pick, Antti Niemi To Dallas: Alex Edler, #55 overall pick Now, I'm not sure Edler, cap dump and 55th gets you 3OA but it's probably not that far off. Of course, it's also assuming Edler would waive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, J.R. said: You're forgetting: Now, I'm not sure Edler, cap dump and 55th gets you 3OA but it's probably not that far off. Of course, it's also assuming Edler would waive. Really? So would you trade Vancouver's 5OA and one bad contract to Dallas for a aging Dman with some injury history and a late second round pick? If that was proposed by Benning, you would ask for him to be fired....but you think someone would part with a higher pick for the same?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Antichad said: Not a lot of love for Tippet around here. Kid is a gamer with a pro shot and size, I would be stoked if we got him. Would be an asset if he used it. Shawn Matthias had speed and size, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: Really? So would you trade Vancouver's 5OA and one bad contract to Dallas for a aging Dman with some injury history and a late second round pick? If that was proposed by Benning, you would ask for him to be fired....but you think someone would part with a higher pick for the same?! We're not Dallas. We don't fancy ourselves contenders. We don't have 3 expensive starting goalies. We don't have a need for top 4 D in a year where teams are going to be losing top 4 D to Vegas and the UFA market for D is THIN. Edler (or Tanev) are worth a lot more than people think, to the right team, this year. Edler alone is worth 1 10-15 pick +/-. Cap dump is worth a late 1st or 2nds IMO. Late 2nd is worth...late 2nd Not saying it gets it done but it is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Vlardi and Liljegren for me. Still think Makar is a judgement call for JB, his quality comp is very concerning for me as a top 5 pick. Glass is dropping for me, Mittlestad is now a second choice if Vlardi isn't available. Why do you feel Glass is dropping? Just curious. I'd happily see him at 5th for the Canucks. Playmaking, right handed, 2 way centre who can score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 9 hours ago, Honky Cat said: You seriously think that will land 3OA..?..I admire your ambitious thinking. Niemi has pretty negative value, so that should help us out there if we take Niemi back instead of Lehtonen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: From what I've read, it appears that DAL would want Tanev, the #33 AND the #55 for the #3 pick. That's very steep, but I'm not surprised. It's a top 3 pick. So, those thinking Tanev alone could get us the #3, no way. I also see that if JB could get the #3 and keep the #5, he may take Heiskanen at #3 and then either Vilardi, Mittelstadt or Glass at #5. Hischier and Patrick are in their own upper echelon category, followed by Vilardi, Mittelstadt and Glass, and then everyone else. Patrick won't fall to #3. I can see a scenario where we trade Tanev, the #33 and take Niemi off their hands (contract dump) for the #3, but would that be possible for the Canucks to take on a cap dump? They've still got to re-sign Horvat, Gudbranson and a couple more players. They won't have much left to sign a UFA RHD to replace Tanev (temporarily) and keep Niemi's contract. They may get some cap relief if Sbisa is taken by LV in the ED, but that's just over $3M. I love all of the possibilities with trades and draft picks, some seem very exciting, but my feeling is that the Canucks will draft Glass at #5 and keep Tanev until the TDL. I would be fine with Tanev plus the seconds. Quality over quantity. No prospects and no to a cap dump back. If they want (need) a cap dump then one of the seconds. Of course I would rather keep the 33rd, but getting the 3rd is huge. Dont resign Miller and use Niemi as the back up. Who knows, maybe our tender coaches can revitalize his game and make an asset out of him. It becomes the Markstrom show and Demko spends one more year in the AHL with a better team to hone his skills. Sign a D man as an FA if Sbisa is taken in the ED. Walk away with a top three player (center) and a top 5 d man. If one of Patrick or Nico falls, great, if Vlardi is there, great. Take whomever JB likes at defence with the 5 pick. Great. JB wins the draft and if he can hang onto one second, great. The wildcard is whether Tram is returning to Van. If JB has a good idea that Tram isn't returning to Van, trade his rights to TO or Boston. If he is only there for personal reasons/Olympics then hang onto him. We should be able to buy him out of his KHL deal and sign him to a good 4 year deal. Hope his KHL has an NHL clause/buyout option. EmW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, sonoman said: Why do you feel Glass is dropping? Just curious. I'd happily see him at 5th for the Canucks. Playmaking, right handed, 2 way centre who can score. Dropping relative to Vlardi, yes. Dropping out of the top five, he may fall to six. Hardly a fall, just trying to look at the best guy for Vancouver if we had the 3rd pick and the 5th. Below Patrick and Nico, my centres are ranked now as Vlardi, Mittlestad and Glass. Mix in Heiskanen, Makar and Liljegren along with Tippet, that's 9 out of the top ten IMO. The lanche need a LHD badly, Heiskanen likely won't fall past them, we need a PPQB badly so if we already have a center at 3, then pick one of Makar or Liljegren. If we only have a pick at 5, then it comes down to a choice, most likely, between Mittlestad, Glass, Makar and Liljegren. Hard to see who will have the best career out of those 4. Prefectly happy with Glass at 5, if that's our first pick. I really want to grab the extra pick and set the team up for the next 10 years. EmW Edited June 6, 2017 by Eastcoast meets Westcoast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, J.R. said: We're not Dallas. We don't fancy ourselves contenders. We don't have 3 expensive starting goalies. We don't have a need for top 4 D in a year where teams are going to be losing top 4 D to Vegas and the UFA market for D is THIN. Edler (or Tanev) are worth a lot more than people think, to the right team, this year. Edler alone is worth 1 10-15 pick +/-. Cap dump is worth a late 1st or 2nds IMO. Late 2nd is worth...late 2nd Not saying it gets it done but it is close. If Edler alone was worth a top 15 pick he should have been moved years ago. I don't know if he even gets you a 1st round pick anymore. Maybe at trade deadline when teams are desperate. Again Dallas has so many other options to shed a goalies cap that they aren't going to be desperate enough to use the 3rd overall as a bargaining chip, not without getting a top player coming back... You don't trade your highest pick since mike Madano for declining vet and freeing up some cap space, that would have been like the canucks trading the 6th overall + Booth in 2014 for Beauchemin and a 2nd round pick. People would have lost there mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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