Neko Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Who knows, maybe he'll be another Brendan Gaunce (not a bad thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 56 minutes ago, butters said: fans nerd raging about picks isn't a legitimate story, its just fans nerd raging People take their fandom seriously, not sure how that makes it "nerd raging" but sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Haha what idiots! Everybody knows that you can easily get legitimate top 6 forwards with the 29th overall pick. I mean look at all those studs in past years: 29th Overall NHL Draft Picks Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By 2013 Jason Dickinson LW Guelph (OHL) Dallas 2012 Stefan Matteau LW USNTDP New Jersey Devils 2011 Nicklas Jensen LW Oshawa (OHL) Vancouver Canucks 2010 Emerson Etem C/LW Medicine Hat (WHL) Anaheim Ducks 2009 Carter Ashton LW Lethbridge (WHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2008 Daultan Leveille C St. Catherines (GHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2007 Jim O'Brian C Minnesota (NCAA) Ottawa Senators 2006 Chris Summers D NTDP 18 (USA) Phoenix Coyotes 2005 Steve Downie RW Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Philadelphia Flyers 2004 Mike Green D Saskatoon Blades (WHL) Washington Capitals 2003 Patrick Eaves RW Boston College (NCAA) Ottawa Senators 2002 Hannu Toivonen G HPK Hameenlinna (FNL) Boston Bruins 2001 Adam Munro G Erie Otters (OHL) Chicago Blackhawks 2000 Niklas Kronwall D Djurgardens IF Stockholm (SEL) Detroit Red Wings Fact of the matter is, outside of the top 10/15 picks of a draft, you've done yourself well if you can land a solid career 3rd line player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Toews said: People take their fandom seriously, not sure how that makes it "nerd raging" but sure. nerd raging is exactly getting overly upset about a subject they take too seriously. There's little difference between being mad about draft picks and being mad about the star wars prequels. Just because its sports it doesn't mean its any less ridiculous to take things way too seriously. Its entertainment at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 10 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Quote They took a first-round pick, which should net you a player with big upside 100 percent of the time, and admitted they used it on a player destined to be a bottom-six forward. I don't agree at all with this line from the article. Clearly written this way to make he Bruins look bad. You can't expect the 29th overall pick to be an amazing player all the time. It's probably safer (especially when you had 3 1st rounders last year) to draft the guy with a 3rd line ceiling who's likely to hit that, than a Jensen or Etem who falls below expectations and struggles to crack rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Monty said: Exactly. Gaunce, Jensen, White come to anyone's mind? Seriously people. So the Bruins beat the Canucks in 2011. Give it a rest. What does 2011 have to do with anything here? Nothing. The Bruins GM made a really big head scratcher of a pick, for the second year in a row. Bruins fans are livid. This guy was projected to go in the third round, and coming the year after the Bruins took a second rounder with their 15th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I thought that said "bruins purposely draft third rounder 29th overall...." and I thought WTF they smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kakanucks said: I thought that said "bruins purposely draft third rounder 29th overall...." and I thought WTF they smoking. Haha well in a way, that sorta happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Trying to pick an offensive superstar at 29 is probably a worse idea. More likely you can grab a solid bottom 6 player in the late first or early second. Would you rather have a bust or a guy that you know has a very high chance to play in the NHL? It's the same reason you pick guys like Gaunce and Etem late. These guys were always unlikely to be top 6 players, but teams knew that at worst they can likely play bottom 6 roles. The only difference in this is that their GM admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Trying to pick an offensive superstar at 29 is probably a worse idea. More likely you can grab a solid bottom 6 player in the late first or early second. Would you rather have a bust or a guy that you know has a very high chance to play in the NHL? It's the same reason you pick guys like Gaunce and Etem late. These guys were always unlikely to be top 6 players, but teams knew that at worst they can likely play bottom 6 roles. The only difference in this is that their GM admitted it. Benning found one at #23.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Honky Cat said: Benning found one at #23.. Too early to call him an offensive superstar. Either way I think we got a little lucky he fell that far. There's a big difference between 23 and 29 though. Not often you get a top 6 forward in that range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Canuck Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I can totally get behind drafting a career 3rd/4th (With PK time) liner in the 29 slot, especially in Boston's case. In just the first 2 rounds of the last 2 drafts with Sweeney as GM, they've drafted, McAvoy (D) Lindgren (D) Zboril (D) Carlo (D) Lauzon (D) Forsbacka-Carlsson (F) Debrusk (F) Senyshyn (F) Frederic (F) I'm happy for their fans that they didn't draft another defenceman ! Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It's simply bad asset management. You don't take a player you can get at pick 50 with pick 5. It's not a knock on Frederic, but the term here is "reaching". They likely could have gotten him later and in addition to an arguably better prospect with 29. They did this last year with Senyshyn and Debrusk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 37 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: It's simply bad asset management. You don't take a player you can get at pick 50 with pick 5. It's not a knock on Frederic, but the term here is "reaching". They likely could have gotten him later and in addition to an arguably better prospect with 29. They did this last year with Senyshyn and Debrusk as well. If it's a player you really want you don't risk getting him in the next round. At least they're willing to own the pick and say that was a player they really believed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 15 hours ago, CanuckinEdm said: If anything you draft a guy who has top 6 potential but worst case would be a third-4 liner. If they thought the player you described was available, they would've drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Say all you want about JB, I have always thought highly of him and continue to believe in what he is doing here. Anyone taken a stroll over to HFboards? JB hate is as trendy and popular as hating on Nickleback, meanwhile someone who is genuinely making his organization worse the more moves he makes, Don Sweeney get's a free pass. The Bruins are in shambles. On top of their highly disappointing draft last year, they continue it with this joke. I'd ask for a trade if I was a Bruins player right now, they are going to fall and keep falling if they keep this up. Trouba offersheet as well? going to have to be a monster contract because they don't have 2nd or 3rd round picks. Combine that with an on ice product that is diminishing and the Jets will be picking top 5-10 for the next 4 years with those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 18 hours ago, DeNiro said: Trying to pick an offensive superstar at 29 is probably a worse idea. More likely you can grab a solid bottom 6 player in the late first or early second. Would you rather have a bust or a guy that you know has a very high chance to play in the NHL? It's the same reason you pick guys like Gaunce and Etem late. These guys were always unlikely to be top 6 players, but teams knew that at worst they can likely play bottom 6 roles. The only difference in this is that their GM admitted it. Etem was supposed to be a top 6 guy. Yes he has disappointed but he was picked with upside in mind. People actually thought that he would become a 1st line forward. The Ducks kept him over Kyle Palmieri who became an actual 1st line player for the Devils. I disagree with your strategy of targeting players with higher floor as you also lose out on players like Saad and O'Reilly. I like the direction Benning had gone with late 1sts and early 2nds in McCann, Boeser and Demko. Love the upside on all three of them. 5 hours ago, DeltaSwede said: Say all you want about JB, I have always thought highly of him and continue to believe in what he is doing here. Anyone taken a stroll over to HFboards? JB hate is as trendy and popular as hating on Nickleback, meanwhile someone who is genuinely making his organization worse the more moves he makes, Don Sweeney get's a free pass. The Bruins are in shambles. On top of their highly disappointing draft last year, they continue it with this joke. I'd ask for a trade if I was a Bruins player right now, they are going to fall and keep falling if they keep this up. Trouba offersheet as well? going to have to be a monster contract because they don't have 2nd or 3rd round picks. Combine that with an on ice product that is diminishing and the Jets will be picking top 5-10 for the next 4 years with those picks. HFBruins hates Sweeney about as much as HFCanucks. Sweeney hasn't been as active so he doesn't get much exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89mogilny Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 1:43 PM, Junkyard Dog said: If it is a heck of a 3rd liner that plays for them for many years then yeah that would be a good pick. We drafted Gaunce at 26th overall. If he becomes a solid 3rd line player for a long time I wouldn't be upset. Exactly. So many first rounders that are selected don't even play an NHL game. Brian Burke said the same thing after drafting Ryan Kesler in the first round so It can change overtime, Kesler worked on his offenisve game and now is regarded as one of the best two way players in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 11:26 PM, DeNiro said: If it's a player you really want you don't risk getting him in the next round. At least they're willing to own the pick and say that was a player they really believed in. This is exactly it. Too many fans are caught up in " draft the highest skillet, 1st rounder better be top six forward or top four defense " . The key is you want to draft an NHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 3rd line is not a bad projection for a late 1st round pick at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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