Warhippy Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 So let's be completely honest here. Most of todays contracts are front end loaded (something the league tried to stop) most of them are all at crazy term for players over 30 (potential buyout candidates) and most of them got overpaid by about a million or more. So simple question, do you think GM's and owners are signing themselves in to another lockout? Every single year this happens, term and price gets ever higher and even though they can't sign those crazy 10 year contracts; they still find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. the lost year in 2005 was supposed to be the last, until it wasn't, then first renewal another shortened year. Are we heading for another lockout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The only thing left for owners to fight for is non-guaranteed contracts. If they want to go to war for that then I can see another lockout. Otherwise I just don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The middle class of players seems to be squeezed. But overall lotsa money is being made for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Don't think there will be. The 50/50 split in revenues will likely not be be changed. I honestly believe there will be no lockout the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: The middle class of players seems to be squeezed. But overall lotsa money is being made for everyone. Sadly lots were made before hand too, but then this last 10 days what have we seen? crazy contracts, front end loading etc If nothing else the NHLPA will start demanding protection of a sort for the players 29-40 that are being squeezed out It's been a revolving cycle for 11 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Sadly lots were made before hand too, but then this last 10 days what have we seen? crazy contracts, front end loading etc If nothing else the NHLPA will start demanding protection of a sort for the players 29-40 that are being squeezed out It's been a revolving cycle for 11 years. Front end loading is less of an issue now with contract limits of 7 and 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The system will be financially supported in the short-term by expansion money, so that will give everyone a false sense of viability; therefore, no work stoppage of any kind. The league had better take note however as the middle class of player is getting squeezed out of the system. You make big money or you are on ELC it seems. They need to address this for continued viability imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, PlanB said: The system will be financially supported in the short-term by expansion money, so that will give everyone a false sense of viability; therefore, no work stoppage of any kind. LOL at GM's blowing all of their expansion money today before they even get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 A number of things the league may want. Probably most notable is the signing bonus vs salary ratio. A number of deals including Lucic and ROR last year where almost all the salary is in bonus form. Makes it lock-out and buyout proof. Would like to see the NTCs eliminated or at the very least limited to something like a 10 team exclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 It happens in cycles so would not surprise the signing bonus is the grief here now it is margilizing the middle class player for how long? Tv revenues an expansion are still the limited revenue stream. The system is saturated as the American teams for the most part are not capable of carrying there weight in tough markets, where NBA an NFL an even college markets crush them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Honestly, the % of the money handed out being signing bonuses is insane. Basically making contracts buyout proof. But then we've said for years the owners haven't learned anything from the last lockout and the players will always take advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 On 2016-07-01 at 11:31 AM, Shift-4 said: Front end loading is less of an issue now with contract limits of 7 and 8 years. This is the ultimate problem. GM's should never sign a player for more than 3-5yrs unless they are top 10-20 players . It benefits both sides. The player has to perform to get paid. Not just coast and demand money in free agency. The team can trade if they want a different piece or if they are not satisfied with the results. The 5+ contracts are killing teams and the league as a whole. A strike will happen just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 There will be another lockout for sure. -NMC only available for players who have X years of service -a further shifting of percentage revenue in the owners favour -eliminate the college 4 year free agency rule -new rules for what a guaranteed contract means -> see Mike Richards -elimination of SUPER LONG TERM LTIR retirement cap -> see Chris Pronger -further shortening of max contract length, in favour of team owning the players rights ...I could go on and on, but I'm sure the owners have a list longer than a roll of toilet paper to cry over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Almost a guarantee unless NHL brings in an adult to be the commissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On 7/2/2016 at 1:52 PM, elvis15 said: Honestly, the % of the money handed out being signing bonuses is insane. Basically making contracts buyout proof. But then we've said for years the owners haven't learned anything from the last lockout and the players will always take advantage. That's why Clarkson can't be bought out. He'd actually make more being bought out, and it would cost a team more to buy him out then paying him for his contract. All of that is signing bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just gonna leave this here http://www.tsn.ca/signing-bonus-laden-contracts-could-lead-to-next-lockout-1.528992 Goes hand in hand with what Maloney was saying at the wedding on Friday. Owners write the rules and then demand gms find a way to circumvent them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 If Buttman is still running it you never know. The head of the NHLPA seems to have their house well in order...this could keep the owners from trying to fix their mistakes via a lockout this time. Overall players are not paid anything like the Big Three. Rookie contracts in the NFL and MLB pay like second line contracts in the NHL, and their top players make boatloads more than Kane and Toews so I have no problem with the salaries. I do hope that they can figure out a way to fix the definite tier system that the salary cap era has created in the NHL. The first line often uses up 1/3 of the overall cap which is just ridiculous. GM's are forced to use entry level contracts to save their cap space and trade away key guys that deserve to be paid but can't stay due to the cap. Not sure if I like things the way they are now with league parity, but at least there is hope any time your team makes the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Bettman loves lockouts, he has already had two. Interesting how Linden will be sitting on the other side of it this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Of course there will be another lockout. It's part of Bettman's business plan. And everyone on CDC will blame the players again, just like last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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