Dixon Ward Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 They say he is available and would be a dynamic first line player that everybody wants for when the Sedin leave. Sutter could move to wing when everybody's healthy and we would have a great lineup now and in the future. I would do: Virtanen & Sbisa, 3rd rounder Then trade for Hartnell. Sedin Sedin Eriksson Baertschi Duchesne Sutter Hartnell Horvat Hansen Gaunce Granlund Etem Burrows/Rodin We could win a cup with that! So what would you give up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why would you give up HOMEGROWN ELITE TALENT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBrashear Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I'm not sold on Matt Duchene and apparently neither are the Colorado Avalanche. Joe Sakic knows a little something about centres and if Joe Sakic is trying to trade him there's a reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 They want an impact D-man, so that means either Edler or Tanev plus draft pick or mid-grade prospect. I would not want to give up Tanev, still young, cheap and our no1. Edler sure, but he has a NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBrashear Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just now, SaintPatrick33 said: They want an impact D-man, so that means either Edler or Tanev plus draft pick or mid-grade prospect. I would not want to give up Tanev, still young, cheap and our no1. Edler sure, but he has a NTC. They would probably do Tanev for Duchene straight up. But I don't think they would do Tanev for Landeskog straight up. Either way, that's the price. Tanev IMO has more upside than Deuchene. Again, good d-men like Tanev are rare to find and Tanev's cap hit is super impressive. Probably our best player for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Colorado seems to be killing prospects lately. Land, MacK, this guy..seems they're better at first, but don't seem to hold their value. Theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHodgson9 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 26 minutes ago, DonaldBrashear said: They would probably do Tanev for Duchene straight up. But I don't think they would do Tanev for Landeskog straight up. Either way, that's the price. Tanev IMO has more upside than Deuchene. Again, good d-men like Tanev are rare to find and Tanev's cap hit is super impressive. Probably our best player for the money. To be fair, I'm not sure I'd trade Tanev for Duchene. Tanev's so smart, incredibly poised defensively, and has a fantastic cap hit in a market where D men are coveted at a high premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, DonaldBrashear said: They would probably do Tanev for Duchene straight up. But I don't think they would do Tanev for Landeskog straight up. Either way, that's the price. Tanev IMO has more upside than Deuchene. Again, good d-men like Tanev are rare to find and Tanev's cap hit is super impressive. Probably our best player for the money. I would hate to lose Tanev. But for a legit 1C like Duchene, so be it. I think they may ask for more than Tanev, though. I would also do Hutton and Sutter for Duchene. And I think the reason why sports writers keep speculating that they are willing to let him go is because of Nathan Mackinnon's readiness to be the number 1 centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBrashear Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 32 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: I would hate to lose Tanev. But for a legit 1C like Duchene, so be it. I think they may ask for more than Tanev, though. I would also do Hutton and Sutter for Duchene. And I think the reason why sports writers keep speculating that they are willing to let him go is because of Nathan Mackinnon's readiness to be the number 1 centre. I don't think Duchene is a legit #1 centre anymore than Tanev is a legit #1 dman. Both have potential but neither has proven it yet. Colorado has been a perpetually crappy team and has basically sucked the entire time that Duchene has been there. It's hard to believe, but Colorado has not won a playoff series since 2008. So Duchene has been raised in a losing culture too and has very little playoff experience. Side note: That's why I think Taylor Hall is overrated. People can say whatever they want about that trade, but Taylor Hall has no playoff games. No idea how he will handle it. Duchene only has 2 playoff games under his belt - Tanev has 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I would kill to have Matt Duchene TBH... We desperately need some top end forward talent and Duchene would be a great building block for the next decade. You can argue that his play has for some reason dropped off entirely over that past two seasons and that's valid but he is still a young and yet proven talent and IMO with the right linemates can return to his previous PPG level. With the addition of Juolevi, I think we're pretty heavy on defence in terms of prospects. We don't have any superstars but we have a solid group that Colorado would love. A package of Tanev, a pick and or prospect would be a good deal for us IMO and would be fair for the Avs as well. Our defence would obviously suffer but if Gudbranson, Juolevi, Hutton etc play up to their potentials and maybe we pickup another via FA, then I think we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 3 hours ago, vinny_in_vancouver said: I would hate to lose Tanev. But for a legit 1C like Duchene, so be it. I think they may ask for more than Tanev, though. I would also do Hutton and Sutter for Duchene. And I think the reason why sports writers keep speculating that they are willing to let him go is because of Nathan Mackinnon's readiness to be the number 1 centre. In what universe is a 25 yr old that should be just entering his prime now, yet hasnt crested 60 pts in the past 2 seasons, considered a "legit 1C"? Duchene is not a legit 1C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Tanev gets so much better each year vould be a true no 1 d man in 2-3 yrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 21 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: Tanev gets so much better each year vould be a true no 1 d man in 2-3 yrs lol I love Tanev, but come on, #1 D? Career high of 6 goals and 20 pts doesn't scream #1 D to me. Plus #1D are also characterized by their longevity, endurance, minute munchers...Tanev never played more than 70 games a season and never average more than 22 min/games in a season. He is a really good top 4 D on a contending team, who could play in #2 role as a sidekick to a true #1, but he'll never be a #1 defenseman on any team. I believe, he is pretty much at his peak right now going on 27, which is pretty much the norm for good defenseman. 1 hour ago, BI3KSA- said: In what universe is a 25 yr old that should be just entering his prime now, yet hasnt crested 60 pts in the past 2 seasons, considered a "legit 1C"? Duchene is not a legit 1C Henrik was 26 when he first reach his 70 pts season and never reached 50 before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuciano Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 7 hours ago, Honeydew said: Why would you give up HOMEGROWN ELITE TALENT? We're talking about Sbisa right?? Coz Virts not elite.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 7 hours ago, DonaldBrashear said: I'm not sold on Matt Duchene and apparently neither are the Colorado Avalanche. Joe Sakic knows a little something about centres and if Joe Sakic is trying to trade him there's a reason why. Maybe Joe is looking at his team with Mackinnon, Soderberg, Grigorenko, and Jost on the way. It is a position of strength and they have quite a few weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 Matt Duchene has scored 67 and 70 points. He has scored 20+ goals in every season in the NHL that wasn't shortened. He won a gold medal with Canada. He is only 25. He would be the perfect compliment to Bo Horvat for years to come. He is the 1st line skill everybody on cdc covets. The price may be too high but it is very difficult to argue that he isn't a top line talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 8 hours ago, DonaldBrashear said: They would probably do Tanev for Duchene straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: In what universe is a 25 yr old that should be just entering his prime now, yet hasnt crested 60 pts in the past 2 seasons, considered a "legit 1C"? Duchene is not a legit 1C In the current NHL 59 points is good for 20th overall in scoring among centers. Sadly, that puts him among the top 30 and thus qualifies him as a legit 1C in many people's opinion (mine included). I agree with you that one would hope that their 1C would score more than 59 points but that doesn't seem to be the reality of NHL lately... To the OP: I would happily trade Tanev for Duchene straight across even though I really like Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 8 hours ago, BI3KSA- said: In what universe is a 25 yr old that should be just entering his prime now, yet hasnt crested 60 pts in the past 2 seasons, considered a "legit 1C"? Duchene is not a legit 1C Interesting criteria for a 1C...if all you care about is reaching 60 points the past 2 seasons, then I guess Jonathan Toews isn't a legit 1C as well. As for what makes Duchene deserving, see Dixon Ward's post above for some stats. The guy's great in faceoffs. He plays both ends of the ice very, very well. He has speed and can manufacture scoring opportunities on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niknuk85 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 11 hours ago, Grape said: I would kill to have Matt Duchene TBH... We desperately need some top end forward talent and Duchene would be a great building block for the next decade. You can argue that his play has for some reason dropped off entirely over that past two seasons and that's valid but he is still a young and yet proven talent and IMO with the right linemates can return to his previous PPG level. With the addition of Juolevi, I think we're pretty heavy on defence in terms of prospects. We don't have any superstars but we have a solid group that Colorado would love. A package of Tanev, a pick and or prospect would be a good deal for us IMO and would be fair for the Avs as well. Our defence would obviously suffer but if Gudbranson, Juolevi, Hutton etc play up to their potentials and maybe we pickup another via FA, then I think we'll be fine. Why are all cdc so eager to move tanev wait I know you are all admitting what I posted a long time ago edler is worth nothing so that is confirmed but we need to retain tanev he is worth way to much to this organization going forward moving tanev is like some are putting vertanan on the second line pure bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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