TripleSedins Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Hey CDC, Just thought we could discuss the current context of RFA offer sheets. Are they now more acceptable than when first introduced or is there still the un-written rule between GM's. Thoughts? Also, in our search for a large forward who can contribute I believe a player like Kevin Hayes would be a good offer sheet target. Which RFA would you target for an offer sheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 We got like 4 million in cap. Don't think we can do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleSedins Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: We got like 4 million in cap. Don't think we can do much. Yeah 4 mil is not bad, but no big names coming in this way (especially with the compensation that would be required) the Free Agent list is pretty slim at this point, however, there seems to be plenty of RFA's still "available". I would imagine most players would be loyal to their current franchise unless offered a large wage increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: We got like 4 million in cap. Don't think we can do much. Tend to agree with that. Best off at this point to trade for what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleSedins Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 Just now, Ojibwa72 said: Tend to agree with that. Best off at this point to trade for what you want. Yeah so it sounds like the RFA signings are kind of a last resort then? Teams would rather trade for the RFA and then sign the player as opposed to poaching the player, losing assets, and forking out extra cash. That being said is the only attraction for RFA's higher wages or could a team possibly poach a player that is unhappy with his current situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Pretty sure, any of the worthwhile RFA's have already filed for arbitration. I believe you cannot offer sheet a player going through that process. However, I would offer sheet Marcus Johansson, if allowed. Tyson Barrie being another option. Also, I think if they increase the time a player needs to be in the NHL to become a UFA, offer sheets will become more common. Right now, it's a better option to overpay for a UFA at age 26/27/28 then to over pay for an RFA and give up draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleSedins Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 Just now, Art Vandelay said: Pretty sure, any of the worthwhile RFA's have already filed for arbitration. I believe you cannot offer sheet a player going through that process. However, I would offer sheet Marcus Johansson, if allowed. Tyson Barrie being another option. Yeah I think your right it's a little late. Barrie would be a good pick up for sure. Offer sheets are so rare, a player like Kevin Hayes making 900k last year and putting up good numbers might refuse to go to arbitration. As a GM you'd have to be so knowledgeable about league wide contract negotiation statuses and swoop in at just the right time between the end of the year, and before arbitration deadlines (and during contract negotiation period. So I gather an offer sheet would really go out on the first day of restricted free agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Offer sheets are still a low percentage move that likely has more chance of pissing people off than it does getting a player you want. There's really very little point unless you think there's a stronger than usual chance it'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Yeah, I'd never want to see Benning do an offer sheet. Trying to steal a player from under another GM is not a great way to create amicable business relationships. Besides that, the original team always matches. The only one to actually snag a player in the last decade has been Penner going to the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, kloubek said: Yeah, I'd never want to see Benning do an offer sheet. Trying to steal a player from under another GM is not a great way to create amicable business relationships. I feel like GM's give offer sheets just to piss off other GM's. When St. Louis offer sheeted Steve Bernie days after Canucks gave one to Backes, or when Carolina put a $12 million bonus in Fedorov's contract if they make the conference finals, which Detroit was for sure going to do. Shea Weber's was also a ridiculous contract. If you look up the resulting players of the Penner offer sheet it's crazy...Justin Schultz(never signed), Marc-Andre Bergeron(Played 9 games), Gardiner (ducks traded Gardiner, Lupul and a 4th for Beauchemin). They also had to trade a 2nd round pick to re-acquire their own 3rd, the 2nd turned into Hamonic. Worst part for Anaheim is they traded the first to draft Gardiner, and the compensation turned into Teubert for LA and Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis for Buffalo. Ironically, Teubert and Klefbom were traded for Penner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I do not think it is a slap in the face if a GM offers a contract to a player on a different team.If you do not want the player or have trouble signing a player then you are not managing your players well.The rule is in there for a reason and should not be looked down on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 3 hours ago, kloubek said: Yeah, I'd never want to see Benning do an offer sheet. Trying to steal a player from under another GM is not a great way to create amicable business relationships. Besides that, the original team always matches. The only one to actually snag a player in the last decade has been Penner going to the Oilers. Agreed. Why steal another GM's bargaining power when you will likely be in the same position at some point with one of your players. The player will have all the power when they become a UFA. As a RFA the team should have the upper hand. That would tend to keep salaries lower, which is always better for the fans who ultimately foot the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 The league might as well cancel this offer sheet option..huge fail..never works for either party. Fix it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Ryan Strome was in the NYI dog house last year. I would assume they still have high hopes for him to be a key contributor next year with the players they lost in FA. Brayden Schenn would be a good player to acquire. Basically Evander kane style game without the off ice issues, would cost a lot though to get him from Philly Dont think an offer sheet would be the way to go, but we could try the trade route? B.Schenn can play wing and C, had a good season, I think he could look nice on a line with Horvat or Sutter myself. Unsure what he is wanting contract wise, would have to be an overpayment for Philly to move him, but he is currently unsigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I would love to get Justin Schultz. I know he plays R like Larsen and Biega. But he would immediately bypass both on the depth charts. Tryamkin is a natural L, despite playing on the right due to circumstance. If we lose Sbisa there will be a spot available for one of Schultz, Larsen or Biega to move over to make room for the other. Or for Tryamkin to settle in beside Schultz with Larsen as insurance. Not ideal, of course. But when you are talking about guys who will play 12- minutes per night, and specialize on the PP, it's pretty clear who would come out on top. He's a hometown boy. Pittsburgh utilized him properly and they saw results. If he had a full 82 games of training on a team that actually played D, he could be much better than before. His value is pretty low. Also, who says that you have to play the side you shoot with? It's good for passes, but being off-side is better for one-timers, which JS has skill in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck-Shot Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Schultz is a weak d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Great idea. We have Horvat, Gudbranson, Hutton, and Tryamkin all becoming RFAs at the end of this season; Virtanen and Baertschi the year after... ...what could go wrong? Answer: see Steve Bernier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 22 hours ago, D-Money said: Great idea. We have Horvat, Gudbranson, Hutton, and Tryamkin all becoming RFAs at the end of this season; Virtanen and Baertschi the year after... ...what could go wrong? Answer: see Steve Bernier Philly did it to us on Kesler, maybe return the favour and make them pay up to keep Schenn? Schenn would be an awesome fit here, not sure why they haven't come to a long term agreement yet, he is the type of player I would want to have on our team without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 32 minutes ago, Yotes said: Philly did it to us on Kesler, maybe return the favour and make them pay up to keep Schenn? Schenn would be an awesome fit here, not sure why they haven't come to a long term agreement yet, he is the type of player I would want to have on our team without question. That was 10 years ago this September...and 2 GM's ago too. Pretty sure if we tried that the current management group would take it personally. Offer sheets are usually not a good idea. Besides alienating you from other GM's, you generally have to overpay the player in salary, and give up quite a few valuable picks in the process. Unless you are confident that your team will be a contender (so the picks won't end up Seguin and Hamilton), and the player will make a significant impact, then it's generally counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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