Washington Post: Putin signs new anti-terror law in Russia. Edward Snowden is upset.

[thejazz97]

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MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday signed into law a controversial package of counterterrorism measures, including tougher sentences for extremism and heightened electronic surveillance of Russian citizens, that have provoked condemnation from rights activists here.

Among the critics was Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked details in 2013 of U.S. government telephone and Internet surveillance programs. Some measures in the Russian legislation resemble those U.S. programs.

Several of the amendments require telecommunications operators to store recordings of their customers’ phone calls and text messages for six months and order messaging services such as Facebook and Telegram to provide decryption keys to Russia’s Federal Security Service, or FSB.

Others require Russians to inform authorities about potentially grave crimes or their planning, stiffen penalties for re-posting information deemed extremist on the Internet, and require postal employees to inspect packages.

“#Putin has signed a repressive new law that violates not only human rights, but common sense. Dark day for #Russia,” Snowden wrote Thursday in one of several Twitter messages about the “Yarovaya laws,” named for co-author and former prosecutor Irina Yarovaya.

It was Snowden’s most direct criticism of Putin since he received asylum in Russia three years ago. Opponents have accused him of leaking information to the Russian government and ignoring the country’s repressive Internet policies. Snowden has denied any agreement with Russia and says the U.S. government has annulled his passport and left him stranded.

“People ask if I fear retaliation for my criticism. I do. But it did not stop me from criticizing the @WhiteHouse, and will not stop me here,” he wrote Thursday.

After signing the law, Putin ordered the government to help minimize the costs of data storage, apparently as a concession telecom companies, which complained that compliance was “technically and economically impractical.”

Russia’s Presidential Council on Civil Society and Human Rights called on Putin to reject the laws because of the “unconstitutionality, contradictoriness and legal uncertainty of some of the legal norms contained in them.”

Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary, told reporters Thursday that “the government will keep a wary eye on the implementation of that law and will take relevant measures on the president’s order in case of any undesirable developments.”

 

The measures will impose tougher sanctions on mass unrest and limit proselytizing, to representatives of registered religious groups. Pacifist religious organizations, including Jehovah’s Witnesses, complain they have been targeted by laws aimed at violent groups.

Previous versions of the law would have allowed authorities to strip Russians of citizenship for crimes such as terrorism and extremism, and impose bans on international travel. Those amendments were omitted from the final version of the bill, which passed Russia’s parliament on its last day in session.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-signs-law-to-bolster-russian-surveillance-angering-edward-snowden/2016/07/07/4d307aca-443e-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html

[thejazz97]

The reason I posted this is because reactions to the second-last paragraph are popping up all over my News Feed on Facebook:

 

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The measures will impose tougher sanctions on mass unrest and limit proselytizing, to representatives of registered religious groups. Pacifist religious organizations, including Jehovah’s Witnesses, complain they have been targeted by laws aimed at violent groups.

It's a solid law for a government smelling a war or terrorist attempts on the home-front IMO. Even if it is a bit repressive, it does attempt to keep order.

[Aladeen]

12 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

The reason I posted this is because reactions to the second-last paragraph are popping up all over my News Feed on Facebook:

 

It's a solid law for a government smelling a war or terrorist attempts on the home-front IMO. Even if it is a bit repressive, it does attempt to keep order.

Yes let's hand over all rights and freedoms for security and order. That's the cost of those things. Always has been always will be. 

 

Freedom is the oppposite of security. 

 

Governments will never have to forcibly take away rights and freedoms. We will hand them over freely or even demand they take them all for order and security. 

 

But when all rights and freedoms are all gone and people start realizing what they have let happen, how do you think the attempt at order will look like then... It will look a lot like the opposite when the police state is having to put down all the mass riots. The inevitable outcome to that attempt at order is one of chaos.

[thejazz97]

8 minutes ago, Aladeen said:

Yes let's hand over all rights and freedoms for security and order. That's the cost of those things. Always has been always will be. 

 

Freedom is the oppposite of security. 

 

Governments will never have to forcibly take away rights and freedoms. We will hand them over freely or even demand they take them all for order and security. 

 

But when all rights and freedoms are all gone and people start realizing what they have let happen, how do you think the attempt at order will look like then... It will look a lot like the opposite when the police state is having to put down all the mass riots. The inevitable outcome to that attempt at order is one of chaos.

Which is why I said attempt. It's done in good heart to keep the people safe - but I don't think the people want the government to keep them safe if it's done at the expense of many of their freedoms.

[Aladeen]

9 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

MWhich is why I said attempt. It's done in good heart to keep the people safe - but I don't think the people want the government to keep them safe if it's done at the expense of many of their freedoms.

The most secure people in the world are those in maximum security prisons... All the security one could ever need. I am fairly confident anyone sentenced to life in a maximum security prison will never have to spend a minute of their lives worrying about terrorism. 

[thejazz97]

45 minutes ago, Aladeen said:

The most secure people in the world are those in maximum security prisons... All the security one could ever need. I am fairly confident anyone sentenced to life in a maximum security prison will never have to spend a minute of their lives worrying about terrorism. 

Except, you know, shower time  

[SabreFan1]

He wants most of the USSR era laws back.   He was a part of the KGB as a young man.  He does not like to be challenged.  When someone dies from a slow build-up of polonium in his/her body you know that they really p*ssed Putin off.

[Offensive Threat]

Putin is just completing Russias transformation from a Authoritarian state to an outright dictatorship. Its all going to plan.

[Salacious Crumb]

They share the same way of running their empires...

[nux4lyfe]

20 hours ago, Aladeen said:

Yes let's hand over all rights and freedoms for security and order. That's the cost of those things. Always has been always will be. 

 

Freedom is the oppposite of security. 

 

Governments will never have to forcibly take away rights and freedoms. We will hand them over freely or even demand they take them all for order and security. 

 

But when all rights and freedoms are all gone and people start realizing what they have let happen, how do you think the attempt at order will look like then... It will look a lot like the opposite when the police state is having to put down all the mass riots. The inevitable outcome to that attempt at order is one of chaos.

Well said my brotha..

[SaintPatrick33]

5 hours ago, Salacious Crumb said:

They share the same way of running their empires...

 

 

 

Well at least we know Putin can actually play the game

 

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

17 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

He wants most of the USSR era laws back.   He was a part of the KGB as a young man.  He does not like to be challenged.  When someone dies from a slow build-up of polonium in his/her body you know that they really p*ssed Putin off.

There are lots of shady ppl in Russia politics. There is no evidence what so ever that Putin was behind that death. MI5 just said that Putin "probably" did it after years of investigation

 

This whole idea that Putin wants to recreate the  USSR is globalist propaganda. Putin loaths communism. Russia is a lot more capitalist than the US or most Western nanny States. Russia has a 13% flat tax which is lower than the most radical Republican proposals that they dream about on debate stages. Corporate taxes are also lower. Russia has no net debt and the lowest in the G20.

[MaxVerstappen33]

13 hours ago, Offensive Threat said:

Putin is just completing Russias transformation from a Authoritarian state to an outright dictatorship. Its all going to plan.

Yeah yeah. PEW polls show he would win a landslide tomorrow. Which is more honest than the 2 party dictatorship in the US.

 

Did Obama do one thing that he promised? No. He carried out a 3rd and 4th Bush term. Wars and all. Hollandedid the same in France and Trudeau will do the same in Canada.

[SabreFan1]

3 hours ago, LolClarkson said:

There are lots of shady ppl in Russia politics. There is no evidence what so ever that Putin was behind that death. MI5 just said that Putin "probably" did it after years of investigation

 

This whole idea that Putin wants to recreate the  USSR is globalist propaganda. Putin loaths communism. Russia is a lot more capitalist than the US or most Western nanny States. Russia has a 13% flat tax which is lower than the most radical Republican proposals that they dream about on debate stages. Corporate taxes are also lower. Russia has no net debt and the lowest in the G20.

If Putin could be declared, "Dictator for life" Roman-style, I have no doubt that he would take it in a heartbeat.

 

Russia's economy is as based in statism every bit as much as the US.  That's why there's low flat tax and low corporate taxes.  

 

As to their debt, Putin handles it well.  It's only around 14-15% of its GDP.

[SabreFan1]

3 hours ago, LolClarkson said:

Yeah yeah. PEW polls show he would win a landslide tomorrow. Which is more honest than the 2 party dictatorship in the US.

 

Did Obama do one thing that he promised? No. He carried out a 3rd and 4th Bush term. Wars and all. Hollandedid the same in France and Trudeau will do the same in Canada.

 

Putin is a very good politician.  He knows how to wrap the populace of Russia around his pinky.  Not a criticism, just an observation.

 

Saying Obama is a crappy president is just stating the painfully obvious.

[Nuxfanabroad]

When the housa' cards starts falling...BELIEVE they'll focus their rigged media-narratives on personalities of foreign leaders.

 

Putin took time to develop a beautiful chess opening-board, the western world scream out, mess up the board, then insist upon checkers.

 

Character-assassinations are the lowest, easiest common-denominator, when all plans & policies have gone awry.

[CBH1926]

1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said:

 

Putin is a very good politician.  He knows how to wrap the populace of Russia around his pinky.  Not a criticism, just an observation.

 

Saying Obama is a crappy president is just stating the painfully obvious.

Russians have always been wrapped around someone's pinky.

Ivan the terrible, Lenin, Stalin, Putin etc. 

Based on their history they have flocked to strong figures, kind of like Balkans.

[MaxVerstappen33]

12 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

 

Putin is a very good politician.  He knows how to wrap the populace of Russia around his pinky.  Not a criticism, just an observation.

 

Saying Obama is a crappy president is just stating the painfully obvious.

When did I say Obama was a crappy president? Obama is doing what the unelected globalist power brokers tell him to do. Which is also what Bush did. And what Harper, Sarkozy, Merkel, Cameron and Abbott did.

 

The only one who refuses to join the club is Putin.

 

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

10 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Russians have always been wrapped around someone's pinky.

Ivan the terrible, Lenin, Stalin, Putin etc. 

Based on their history they have flocked to strong figures, kind of like Balkans.

So you really think that if an election was held tomorrow that Putin would lose to some garden veriety Yes Man that the globalists would install?

[SabreFan1]

2 minutes ago, LolClarkson said:

When did I say Obama was a crappy president? Obama is doing what the unelected globalist power brokers tell him to do. Which is also what Bush did. And what Harper, Sarkozy, Merkel, Cameron and Abbott did.

 

The only one who refuses to join the club is Putin.

It seemed to me that you inferred it.  I think Obama is terrible and Hillary may even be worse after she's elected.