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Since the shocking trade involving Jarred McCann and multiple picks for Eric Gubdransson our team looks a lot different now. But was this trade really shocking, it involved the Florida Panthers and Vancouver Canucks, two dance partners that can never get enough of each other, it doesn't matter which management it was or who owned the team. These two teams have even traded each of their best player in franchise history to the other team in separate deals. They have also traded goalies back to the other team. I will list all the trades as follows between the two parties and a brief run down on the actual trade.

 

March 20, 1996

 

Jesse Belanger for a 1996 3rd round pick (Oleg Kvasha)

 

Same day we acquired Markus Naslund from Penguins. Pat Quinn wanted to shore up our forward depth heading into the play offs and Belanger ended up being a healthy scratch during their first round exit to the eventual champs Colorado Avalanche. Panthers end up drafting Kvasha a player which they ended up flipping in their greatest trade in franchise history. When the Panthers conned Mike Milbury to give up two blue chippers in Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Kvasha and Parrish. WOW what a trade for the Panthers. Win for Panthers

 

January 17, 1999

 

Ed Jovanovski, Kevin Weekes, Dave Gagner, Mike Brown and 2000 first round pick (Nathan Smith) for Pavel Bure, Bret Hedican, Brad Ference and 2000 third round pick (Robert Fried)

 

Burke was forced to make this deal due to Pavel Bure not reporting to training camp and refusing to play out his final year of his contract. Jovanovski was a great piece to have during the westcoast express era but nobody could ever replace Pavel Bure. Win for Panthers.

 

May 31, 2001

 

Alex Auld for 2001 second round pick (Tuomas Pilhman) and 2002 third round pick (John Adams)

 

Burke was looking too add goaltending depth in the system either a future starter or a quality back up. Great trade. Win for Canucks

 

June 23, 2006.

 

Lukas Krajicek, Roberto Luongo and 2006 sixth round pick (Sergei Shirokov) for Bryan Allen, Todd Bertuzzi and Alex Auld

 

Dave Nonis struck gold. Todd Bertuzzi needed a change of scenery and his stock was apparently still high according to Keenan. Nonis managed to squeeze out Bert's final decent year to get our future franchise player who was at the time the best young goaltender in the game. This was a lop sided trade, which will be a regular occurring theme involving these two teams but unfortunately for the Canucks it will be the last time they were on the winning end. Win Canucks

 

June 25, 2010

 

Keith Ballard and Victor Oreskovich for Steve Bernier, Michael Grabner and 2010 first round pick (Quinton Howden)

 

Gillis played a premium to get the services of Ballard who still had 4 years remaining on a 4.5 million cap hit. Ballard was a shell of his former self and was a healthy scratch during the 2011 finals. Some people have said this stems from the Tomas Vuokon incident and he was mentally never the same player again or it was his bad hip. Nevermind about Grabner scoring 35 plus goals the following season with the Islanders or the potential first round pick we lost (Evgeny Kuznetsov) who was picked one spot after Howden. Gillis locked up 4.5 million dollar contract during our glory years who couldn't even beat out Andrew Alberts during the 2011 play offs. This was a terrible move which cost us big time. Win Panthers

 

 

October 22, 2011

 

David Booth, Steven Reinprect and 2013 third round pick for Marco Sturm and Mikael Samuelsson

 

David Booth was never the same player after the Mike Richards hit. Wasn't a good fit in Vancouver who was brought to be on Kesler's line. Problem was that Booth was making 4.25 million with four years left on his deal and Samuellson was a great second line player who played the point on the first power play unit. Another bad contract added during the so called glory years. Booth and Ballard over nine million dollars on back to back winning president's trophy. Damn the team was still that good in a cap era. Win Panthers

 

March 4, 2014

 

Roberto Luongo and Steven Anthony for Jacob Markstrom and Shawn Matthias

 

Mike Gillis was on his way out the door so why not make one more bad trade with the Panthers. This was during the terrorizing era of John Tortorella. This trade was bad and way too rushed. After years of Gillis trying to get the moon for Luongo (Maple Leafs) Gillis just traded our greatest goalie for peanuts. Luongo has made 2 all star appearances since the trade. In my honest opinion it was these three trades with the Panthers that ultimately cost Gillis his job due to cap issues and trading away assets for garbage. Win Panthers

 

May 25, 2016

 

Eric Gubdransson for Jarred McCann, 2016 second round pick later traded to Buffalo ( Rasmus Asplund) and 2016 fourth round pick (Jonathan Ang)

 

Canucks looked like they traded a premium when they got Gubdransson but the oilers ended up trading Hall for Larsson. So this deal looks okay at the moment. This trade is still up in the air but Gubdransson is at his ceiling and McCann can either by a decent player or a great player. Draw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I disagree with the booth trade, we traded literal scraps for a player that spent 3years in our organization and scored 42 points in 129 games.

 

Unfortunately torts scared the crap outta him, rumor has it he still has nightmares about him to this day.

 

 

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You know that we also got Cole Cassels in the Booth trade, who is looking like a steal? Samuelsson and Sturm barely played for Florida... I'd call it a draw, but if Cassels pans out, huge win for us. While we didn't win the trade, we certainly didn't lose it either.

 

Florida didn't really win the Bure trade either. He only played 4 seasons for them. Jovanovski was around a lot longer, and was a huge cornerstone on our blue line. I'd call that one a draw.

 

 

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If Markstrom reaches his potential as a starter, that Luongo trade could turn out to be different, but having 2 elite all-star goalies and eventually having neither is one of the worst management jobs in franchise history. Lucky we got Bo out of that whole mess. 

 

Way too early to even vote on the McCann trade yet, but on the surface addresses our greatest need of toughness on the back end, I would say early win for us. 

 

Liked your analysis with detail, nice post OP 

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17 minutes ago, numb3r 16 said:

I disagree with the both trade, we traded literal scraps for a player that spent 3years in our organization and scored 42 points in 129 games.

 

Unfortunately torts scared the crap outta him, rumor has it he still has nightmares about him to this day.

 

 

Booth was doing good until his injuries actually. He got 17 goals I think after the trade in his first season. Then it just really fell

apart for him. Torts just cemented his downward spiral. Really sad, he was actually a pretty decent player before he got hurt. 

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Got no problem with these Flor deals, felt the overwhelming Lu-payoff tilts things in our favour, looking at the big pic.

 

The media portrayed our GT indecision as Shakespearean tragedy. GoodGawd, we were LUCKY to have over a half decade of a stellar tandem. Then when they got too GOOD(& costly) we parlayed them into two more great, young pieces(cheap too!). What's the bloody problem with that!?

 

Drafting(especially around '06~2012) cost the franchise, & set us back. I'd argue trading has kept the franchise in the black(dating all the way back to Pat Quinn's two big deals with StLoo).

 

We're young, energetic & saving up coin for another run to the big casino. Screw the flunky-media.

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I don't agree that the last 3 trades were all clear losses. The Booth trade was only a loss in hindsight, knowing that injuries were going to substantially reduce his usefulness. And even with the broken Booth we got, what the Nucks paid for him wasn't really excessive.

 

Getting any value at all for an unhappy Lu with his contract and NTC, was a win, and if Markstrom continues his career trajectory it could turn into a clear win for the Canucks.

 

And the McCann for Gudbranson trade is only a loss to those who don't understand how rare and valuable big, tough, mean, proven top-4 Dmen are, or who overvalue smallish skilled prospects, who are much less rare and much easier and cheaper to acquire.

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1 hour ago, Nex is my ex said:

How did we lose the Booth trade? Samuelsson was done and Sturm was absolutely terrible. 

Well, the post does say that we lost it essentially because we took on Booth's salary. But that misses the fact that, because of the trade, we weren't stuck with Sturm and Samuelson's contracts (though it's true that they weren't for as long as Booth's). 

 

I don't think it's really that bad, overall. Most of the trades listed are really quite inconsequential in the big scheme of things. 

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I really feel like the OP just hates Gillis.

 

What if Markstrom hits his ceiling? Florida still hasn't won a playoff series with Luongo, so I dont get how it's a landslide.

 

To me, that one is up in the air. Lu was going to one place, Florida, take it or leave it.

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33 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

I really feel like the OP just hates Gillis.

 

What if Markstrom hits his ceiling? Florida still hasn't won a playoff series with Luongo, so I dont get how it's a landslide.

 

To me, that one is up in the air. Lu was going to one place, Florida, take it or leave it.

I was a huge fan of Gillis until the Hodgson trade. But even I can't defend his trades afterwards, they were all inexcusable. The Schneider deal seemed okay until he traded lu the next year. Then we all of a sudden went from best goalie tandem in the league that won us two presidents trophies to 2013-2014 where we had Markstrom being rushed into the league cause we had no choice. 

 

On top of his failed drafting and trading for Ballard and booth, The Lu trade cost gillis his job. He even said himself if he had it his way he would keep lu and scnieds for the next 5 years. Too bad he wasted all his talent we might have have had a longer window for a cup had we had a better gm. Instead we only had two shots. 

 

To top it all off, he drafts Kenins and who seemed so promising, that I put up his picture, changed my username to his, thinking at least gillis found one great forward. And even he turned out to be a bust. I just can't forgive the guy after that; I just can't. 

 

 

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Great work and insight on our relationship with Florida, the two cities most furthest apart on the continent too perhaps?...I often joked that Gillis needed to use Google Earth more often, that there were more NHL markets than F - L - A.

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Oh hindsight hindsight, sometimes you take the best offer you can get for players who either don't want to be there or don't fit. Trading to Florida means they rarely have to play them as well. I really don't see how any of these trades have done much of anything. Neither team has a cup yet. :-D

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