Tre Mac Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/29/canadian-couple-freed-police-entrapment-canada-day-bomb-plot Canada Day bomb plot couple freed after judge rules police entrapped them In a landmark decision, supreme court justice throws out guilty verdict for John Nuttall and Amanda Korody, calling the plot a ‘police-manufactured crime’ Judge called John Nuttall and Amanda Korody ‘naive and childlike’, and said that police aggressively engineered a plan and ‘made them think it was their own’. Photograph: Ben Nelms/Reuters A Canadian couple found guilty of planting homemade bombs outside a government building will walk free after a court in British Columbia ruled the pair was entrapped by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) into carrying out a “police-manufactured crime”. John Nuttall, 41, and Amanda Korody, 33, were found guilty of terror charges last year after they planted inert pressure cooker bombs on the steps of British Columbia’s provincial legislature in 2013, ahead of Canada Day celebrations that drew thousands of revellers to the area. The verdict was thrown out on Friday, after BC supreme court justice Catherine Bruce said the RCMP had manipulated the two converts to Islam into carrying out the plot. “This was a clear case of police-manufactured crime,” Bruce wrote in her ruling. “The world has enough terrorists. We do not need the police to create more out of marginalized people.” The judge pointed to the couple’s mental capacity to back the assertion that the crime had been instigated by police. “The defendants also demonstrated that they were not very intelligent, gullible and quite naive and child-like,” she said of Nuttall and Korody, who were dependent on social assistance to get by as they struggled to overcome emotional and addiction issues. The couple posed no imminent threat, she said. “To say they were unsophisticated is generous.” Both had been facing a maximum sentence of life in prison. The judge sided with defence’s argument that the couple had been entrapped during a five-month undercover police operation involving some 240 police officers. “Without the police it would have been impossible for the defendants to carry out the pressure-cooker plan … The police decided they had to aggressively engineer and plan for Nuttall and Korody and make them think it was their own,” said Bruce. “The defendants were the foot soldiers but the undercover officer was the leader of the group.” Facebook Twitter Pinterest Amanda Korody, John Nuttall and Maureen Smith, left, John’s mother, leave the law courts after a supreme court judge ordered their release. Photograph: Ben Nelms/Reuters The judge noted that while the couple does adhere to extremist views that advocate violence to send political messages, police overstepped the bounds of their authority in their interactions with the pair. “The police engaged in a multifaceted and systematic manipulation of the defendants to induce them into committing a terrorist offence,” Bruce said. The court heard that undercover agents offered the pair gifts, ranging from cellphones to groceries, and steered their attention away from more fanciful ideas, such as the hijacking of a navy submarine and construction of short-range missiles. The landmark ruling is believed to be the first time that entrapment has been successfully argued in a terrorism case, raising questions over the limits of police actions as law enforcement agencies around the world struggle to contend with the threat of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Didn't see a thread on this and I thought it would be a hot topic over the weekend. What are your thoughts? Should the police involve face criminal charges for gross incompetence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 They couldn't build a pressure cooker bomb on their own but they thought they could hijack a navy submarine or build a short-range missile? I think there is a fair amount of police entrapment out there. Police have so many resources that I think its easy to believe that suggestible or opportunistic people would just follow the advice/prompting/aid of undercover officers when they would not otherwise have the know-how/initiative/opportunity to commit the crime even if their beliefs are aligned with other criminals. It's like police finding people engaging in thoughtcrime (which I believe shouldn't be punishable, as long as it stays in your head), and inducing them into committing real crime. Would these criminals be actual criminals if it weren't for the influence of the undercover officers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 6 hours ago, Tre Mac said: Didn't see a thread on this and I thought it would be a hot topic over the weekend. What are your thoughts? Should the police involve face criminal charges for gross incompetence? This looks really bad for the police. Did the judge basically say the police took advantage of simple minded, almost childlike people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I don't get it. Yes, the police helped them - this time, but these people still had intentions to do something terrorist-like. They just needed some help with it. So, next time they'll get a regular civilian to help them out. And then what? Our justice system is feeble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 5 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I don't get it. Yes, the police helped them - this time, but these people still had intentions to do something terrorist-like. They just needed some help with it. So, next time they'll get a regular civilian to help them out. And then what? Our justice system is feeble. I think the judge implied the couple are mentally challenged didn't she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I think the judge implied the couple are retarded, didn't she? I don't think any terrorist is really "all there" anyway. Who cares what their IQ is, if they wanted to blow up my kid's school because a rainbow-coloured unicorn told them too, you can't just say "well, they aren't that smart, so, nothing to worry about here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakanucks Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 So they were manipulated by the police to plant the pressure cooker. What's stopping them from being manipulated by extremists to carry out violent acts against the innocent in the future??? So basically, this judge has now allowed 2 extremely naïve, vulnerable individuals that adhere to violent beliefs to be easily accessible to any extremists that may want to take advantage of them..... Really not sure what the best situation is for these 2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Just now, NUCKER67 said: I don't think any terrorist is really "all there" anyway. Who cares what their IQ is, if they wanted to blow up my kid's school because a rainbow-coloured unicorn told them too, you can't just say "well, they aren't that smart, so, nothing to worry about here". Maybe they are too low functioning to form intent, or understand the consequences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TU90 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I'm confused, weren't their intentions still to harm people, regardless of who helped them do it? It's not like the RCMP brainwashed them.. It's ridiculous to let them walk hoping they won't do something similar in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Your tax dollars at work. See also: WTC bombing. Most "terror plots", KKK rallies, and other keep-us-legitimate schemes are concocted by government agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 The guy had a drivers license, correct? Just because they appeared clueless doesn't mean they're mentally handicapped. Some people just make really bad decisions, and in this case, they also use meth. So, now I'm assuming our PM will give a big Canadian "sorry" to these imbeciles. No wonder people want to migrate here, they can pretty much do what they want and just play dumb if they get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 The picture at the top, of Amanda Korody. Doesn't it look like she's already plotting their next move? John looks like he's still using his acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: The guy had a drivers license, correct? Just because they appeared clueless doesn't mean they're mentally handicapped. Some people just make really bad decisions, and in this case, they also use meth. So, now I'm assuming our PM will give a big Canadian "sorry" to these imbeciles. No wonder people want to migrate here, they can pretty much do what they want and just play dumb if they get caught. It will be more than "sorry". get ready for a multi-million law-suit/settlement. This is Canada where no one is responsible for their actions and someone else always pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Are not all terrorist bombers typically gullible, naïve, etc. to a certain degree? I mean, they are blowing themselves up or willing to do extreme harm to others on a large scale. Hopefully they are at least kept an eye on, because if this ordeal has accomplished anything, it has highlighted these two as perfect recruitments to actual terrorist organizations that may be within Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said: They couldn't build a pressure cooker bomb on their own but they thought they could hijack a navy submarine or build a short-range missile? ... It's a big step from thinking you can do something largely implausible to being actually shown how to do something much simpler and give them the tools to build it with. I'd rather have a crazy person trying their best imitation of anarchy with fanciful ideas than someone who has now been shown how to build something (even with inert materials) that can actually be dangerous. I'd put the odds that they're more likely to kill themselves if they get anything remotely like a bomb (a very small chance they even get to that point) than carry out a successful attack. They'd need it to be orchestrated still, and any smart terrorist wouldn't want to work with people that would most likely get them all arrested well before they got that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Alflives said: This looks really bad for the police. Did the judge basically say the police took advantage of retarded (simple minded, almost childlike) people? Why didn't you just stick with simple minded, almost childlike people instead of putting it in brackets after using a derogatory term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabiogooseface Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 My brother was friends with John as teenagers. He always had a few screws loose, never the brightest bulb on the tree, but unless drugs gave him brain damage, he's not mentally handicapped or anything. He's not some totally innocent baby that had no idea what was going on. I'm sure he knew what he was doing and would have tried at least SOMETHING if the police didn't get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 4 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I don't think any terrorist is really "all there" anyway. Who cares what their IQ is, if they wanted to blow up my kid's school because a rainbow-coloured unicorn told them too, you can't just say "well, they aren't that smart, so, nothing to worry about here". what a gross lack of understanding of mental illnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: The picture at the top, of Amanda Korody. Doesn't it look like she's already plotting their next move? John looks like he's still using his acting. inadmissible. what other evidence does the crown possess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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