elvis15 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/kim-rhode-olympic-shooter-takes-aim-us-gun-laws/ Quote “I shoot 500 to 1,000 rounds a day, so having to do a background check every time I purchase ammo, or every time I want to bring ammo in or out of a competition or a match, those are very challenging for me,” Ms. Rhode, 37, told Time in an interview published Wednesday. Particularly concerning, said the shooter, are recent efforts out of her home state to enact some of the nation’s toughest gun control measures. “Some of these laws they are starting to pass now, for instance, in the state of California – if I were to purchase a gun, I cannot loan that gun to someone who is not a blood relative so that means that I can’t loan it to my husband or I can’t loan it to an adopted child,” she told The Guardian recently. “I’ve had guns in my family for generations that have been passed down, and now I’m going to register them as assault weapons. And they will not be passed on to my son, or to me from my father. It definitely does effect me and give me a reason to speak out more,” Ms. Rhode said to Time magazine this week. ... “We have that stigma attached to our sport,” she told Time. “When you are talking to a NASCAR driver, they’re not asked to comment on an incident that occurred with a vehicle.” “We should have the right to keep and bear arms, to protect ourselves and our family,” she added. “The Second Amendment was put in there not just so we can go shoot skeet or go shoot trap. It was put in so we could defend our First Amendment, the freedom of speech, and also to defend ourselves against our own government.” I'm a little less worried about how challenging it is for her to get and use ammo for competitions, and how there's now an extra step for her to pass a gun on to her son, than I am about how easy it is for someone to get their hand on a weapon and use it to commit a crime. I saw a couple of stories this week already about children getting killed in shootings, one by a father and another by a 12 and 15-year old (both accidental). This doesn't even begin to touch on the typical terrorist/gang/crime aspect of gun control, and reasonable restrictions would help in all of these cases. So, if I have to go to fill out paperwork to transfer a vehicle from myself to a relative, I sure as hell expect she should do the same for a firearm. At least I know she'd teach proper gun usage (as my father did for me before I ever got my license) but it's for the people who aren't so strict that the rules should cater to. Go only as fast as the slowest person. It might be a bit tedious for those of us smart enough to be able to go faster, but it improves society as a whole in areas like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Americans need guns to protect themselves from Americans with guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuciano Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Fight the power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I actually thought that she would be taking the opportunity to speak out for improved gun safety, etc. What was I thinking? Of course she'd want the laws to be more lax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 This is the type of person Trump was talking about You 2nd Amendment people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Oh boo-hoo, allow me to get my teeny-tiny violin out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: This is the type of person Trump was talking about You 2nd Amendment people Are there not so many guns floating about illegally in the USA that this gun control argument is moot anyway? Instead, why not educate the children in their schools, from kindergarten, how to be safe with firearms and explosives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Are there not so many guns floating about illegally in the USA that this gun control argument is moot anyway? Instead, why not educate the children in their schools, from kindergarten, how to be safe with firearms and explosives? Pretty sad state they're in, needing to teach their children how to clean, load, and shoot a gun so they can defend themselves against the American terrorists that invade their schools. I'm sure this is exactly what the American forefathers were thinking when they enacted the US Constitution (sarcasm). Greatest country in the world? Not even the greatest country in North America IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RUPERTKBD Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Kim probably should have read the paper today, before making this particular complaint. From CBC.ca: Quote A state investigation following the accidental death of a 73-year-old retired librarian during a police "shoot/don't shoot" demonstration in Florida is expected to take two to four weeks, the chief of the Punta Gorda Police Department said Thursday. "Something went terribly wrong," Chief Tom Lewis told a news conference, noting the department had safely conducted the community demonstrations over the last two years. Police earlier said that the shooting at the drill, which was supposed to involve the use of blank ammunition, was accidental. Officer Lee Coel, 28, has been put on administrative leave as the state of Florida investigates why real ammunition was used by mistake at the event designed to bring police and the public together. Lewis said he is taking "full responsibility" for the shooting death of Mary Knowlton, and that the department was working to provide grief assistance to the family and the community. The department intends to be "completely transparent" as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement conducts its investigation, the chief said. On Wednesday, he had said police were "unaware that any live ammunition was available to the officer. The officer involved is grief stricken. We've got officers assigned to him to make sure he's psychologically stable." Knowlton, a well-known community volunteer, was killed while assuming the role of the officer during the "shoot/don't shoot" exercise on Tuesday night. During such an exercise, the citizen "is confronted with situations in which they must make a decision about whether to use force on the role player," said Lt. Katie Heck, spokeswoman for the Punta Gorda Police Department. "The situations escalate quickly, forcing fast decisions. Historically, it fosters a better understanding for what officers face during an intense situation, and leads to informative dialogue between the community and officers who act as role players." Both the citizen and the officer have a firearm during these scenarios. But the guns are either supposed to be loaded with blanks or "simunition guns" — real-looking weapons that fire a non-lethal projectile with reduced force. But Knowlton was mistakenly struck with a live round, officials said. Knowlton attended the class with her husband and it was supposed to be "a fun night," her son, Steve Knowlton, said Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 32 minutes ago, Alflives said: Are there not so many guns floating about illegally in the USA that this gun control argument is moot anyway? Instead, why not educate the children in their schools, from kindergarten, how to be safe with firearms and explosives? Because a kindergarten age child should be more concerned with what they're getting for a snack and what time Dora the Explorer comes on rather than how to safely load a glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 27 minutes ago, elvis15 said: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/kim-rhode-olympic-shooter-takes-aim-us-gun-laws/ I'm a little less worried about how challenging it is for her to get and use ammo for competitions, and how there's now an extra step for her to pass a gun on to her son, than I am about how easy it is for someone to get their hand on a weapon and use it to commit a crime. I saw a couple of stories this week already about children getting killed in shootings, one by a father and another by a 12 and 15-year old (both accidental). This doesn't even begin to touch on the typical terrorist/gang/crime aspect of gun control, and reasonable restrictions would help in all of these cases. So, if I have to go to fill out paperwork to transfer a vehicle from myself to a relative, I sure as hell expect she should do the same for a firearm. At least I know she'd teach proper gun usage (as my father did for me before I ever got my license) but it's for the people who aren't so strict that the rules should cater to. Go only as fast as the slowest person. It might be a bit tedious for those of us smart enough to be able to go faster, but it improves society as a whole in areas like this. As you point out, we have vehicle registration today. We also have driver's licenses. Gun ownership per capita is similar to vehicle ownership. Who knows, it may even have surpassed car ownership, per capita. Now ask yourself: how many people are driving that are not good drivers? Or, how many can pass the test easily and are normally good drivers, but then choose to drive drunk, or text-and-drive, or allow themselves to be distracted in other ways. When this happens, people can die. Sure, these things are illegal already, but they are still an everyday occurrence. What makes you think that government regulations will curb similar behavior with gun owners? Then consider those drivers who don't have licenses, something that is more common down here with the presence of illegal aliens. How many thousands of people will choose not to register, because they are already criminals? it seems every time there is a shooting that makes the news, Obama comes out with some call for gun restrictions. How often is it pointed out that Obama's proposal (or pretty much any proposal aired) would have mattered in the event that sparked his comments? All too often, most recently with the horrible Florida nightclub shooting, the answer is that the proposal would not have done any good at all. Side note: what did you mean by "Go only as fast as the slowest person." This sounds completely absurd, but perhaps I am seeing it out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said: Because a kindergarten age child should be more concerned with what they're getting for a snack and what time Dora the Explorer comes on rather than how to safely load a glock. I know the pro-gun lobby would disagree, but my opinion is that firearms should be treated in much the same manner as motor vehicles. At age 16 you can take a test for your Learner's Permit. Once an exam that displays profiency in both use and safety has been passed, one could be issued a license for certain types of weapons. A full, unlimited permit could be issued on a graduated basis, much as driver's licenses are in B.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I know the pro-gun lobby would disagree, but my opinion is that firearms should be treated in much the same manner as motor vehicles. At age 16 you can take a test for your Learner's Permit. Once an exam that displays profiency in both use and safety has been passed, one could be issued a license for certain types of weapons. A full, unlimited permit could be issued on a graduated basis, much as driver's licenses are in B.C. But then who would they sell this to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, nuckin_futz said: But then who would they sell this to? Sarah Palin. She could take potshots at the Russians from her house.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 52 minutes ago, Alflives said: Are there not so many guns floating about illegally in the USA that this gun control argument is moot anyway? Instead, why not educate the children in their schools, from kindergarten, how to be safe with firearms and explosives? Education is also important, but you can't force kids in schools to learn how to use firearms. Not every parent would agree to that, and clearly not every parent is smart enough to properly teach their children outside of a school environment. But that ignores the major point that so many guns (particularly illegal ones and ones improperly stored or in the hands of someone not properly trained) are an issue and you have to find ways to reduce those as well. You can do all you want to remove illegal guns, but without proper regulations stolen guns or legally bought ones will just replace them considering the volume out there in the US. Guns should be stored in a safe or at least with a trigger lock when not in use, and that alone would reduce how easy it is to steal them during a break in. It's not like there's an illegal gun factory that makes only illegal guns. Sure, some are brought in across borders, bought on the black market, etc., but I'd bet the vast majority (especially for handguns) are guns that were legal at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 16 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Education is also important, but you can't force kids in schools to learn how to use firearms. Not every parent would agree to that, and clearly not every parent is smart enough to properly teach their children outside of a school environment. But that ignores the major point that so many guns (particularly illegal ones and ones improperly stored or in the hands of someone not properly trained) are an issue and you have to find ways to reduce those as well. You can do all you want to remove illegal guns, but without proper regulations stolen guns or legally bought ones will just replace them considering the volume out there in the US. Guns should be stored in a safe or at least with a trigger lock when not in use, and that alone would reduce how easy it is to steal them during a break in. It's not like there's an illegal gun factory that makes only illegal guns. Sure, some are brought in across borders, bought on the black market, etc., but I'd bet the vast majority (especially for handguns) are guns that were legal at some point. If the USA still exists as a country in 2116, will this same gun debate still continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: Finally. nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 40 minutes ago, Alflives said: If the USA still exists as a country in 2116, will this same gun debate still continue? Nah....it'll be the laser debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Boo freakin hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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