Completing Bennings Quest ( Discussion)

[J.I.A.H.N]

My understanding of our next 3 years draft picks are as follows

 

2016-2017............1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th

2017-2018............1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th

2018-2019............1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th

 

Our realistic trading assets over those next 3 years will be meager, and will look like this

 

Edler

Hansen

Sutter

 

This to me looks better than most see it, and "IF" Benning wants to pull the plug, without moving the Sedin's, there is still plenty of assets to acquire those 2 elite 1st line replacement players, without damaging, the team, short or long term.........

 

Now, I am sure everyone's going to ask why we trade Sutter, and point out that Edler has a NTC, but "IF" we have Horvat slated for 2nd line duties in the next year or 2, then it stands to reason that Sutter will either be our 3rd line center, or traded. I suggest it isn't that hard or expensive to find a 3rd line center that would be comparable through either trade or UFA

 

Same goes for Edler, as Juolevi matures. His value is now, and he is replaceable, especially as we can assume he will decline in the next few years......he certainly will not be improving. Juolevi slots in there nicely for Edler in a year or so..........I would imagine that if just rating on skill alone, that Juolevi would presently rank 2nd or 3rd overall..........(again based on skill alone)

 

So I think we do not look too bad with our tradable assets............and question that within the next year, Could Benning acquire those first line assets either by trade or by RFA offer/trade

 

Example #1.

Edler, Hansen, and 2016-2017 first for Strome (NYI)...................does it work?, Is there anyone else out there you would prefer?

 

Example #2. (Rather a past example would have been)

Offering Mackinnon or Duchene  7,350,000 per year for 7 years, then transferring The Edler, Hansen and the 1st in trade to Colorado for one of them in a trade............(instead of Colorado disrupting their internal cap)

 

My feelings are, that a trade or a similar, is out there, and it would fast track us, and we may avoid the possible dip we will experience when Hank and Danny retire

 

Is there a trade out there you would consider that is in that ball park?

 

 

 

 

[coastal.view]

15 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

My understanding of our next 3 years draft picks are as follows

 

2016-2017............1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th

2017-2018............1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th

2018-2019............1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th

 

Our realistic trading assets over those next 3 years will be meager, and will look like this

 

Edler

Hansen

Sutter

 

This to me looks better than most see it, and "IF" Benning wants to pull the plug, without moving the Sedin's, there is still plenty of assets to acquire those 2 elite 1st line replacement players, without damaging, the team, short or long term.........

 

Now, I am sure everyone's going to ask why we trade Sutter, and point out that Edler has a NTC, but "IF" we have Horvat slated for 2nd line duties in the next year or 2, then it stands to reason that Sutter will either be our 3rd line center, or traded. I suggest it isn't that hard or expensive to find a 3rd line center that would be comparable through either trade or UFA

 

Same goes for Edler, as Juolevi matures. His value is now, and he is replaceable, especially as we can assume he will decline in the next few years......he certainly will not be improving. Juolevi slots in there nicely for Edler in a year or so..........I would imagine that if just rating on skill alone, that Juolevi would presently rank 2nd or 3rd overall..........(again based on skill alone)

 

So I think we do not look too bad with our tradable assets............and question that within the next year, Could Benning acquire those first line assets either by trade or by RFA offer/trade

 

Example #1.

Edler, Hansen, and 2016-2017 first for Strome (NYI)...................does it work?, Is there anyone else out there you would prefer?

 

Example #2. (Rather a past example would have been)

Offering Mackinnon or Duchene  7,350,000 per year for 7 years, then transferring The Edler, Hansen and the 1st in trade to Colorado for one of them in a trade............(instead of Colorado disrupting their internal cap)

 

My feelings are, that a trade or a similar, is out there, and it would fast track us, and we may avoid the possible dip we will experience when Hank and Danny retire

 

Is there a trade out there you would consider that is in that ball park?

 

 

 

 

sutter also has a no trade contract and has been referred to as a foundation player by benning

so i doubt he is on the radar to be moved

and it does appear that you really are hoping we can move immovable players for full value

we have already seen how hard that is

kesler let us choose from 1 team

vrabata basically nixed being moved a the deadline

hamhuis had too much control over his fate at the deadline

i cannot think of a recent player that was moved who had a trade restrictions in his contract where the canucks obtained full value

 

[Alflives]

Nicely thought out post.  Duchene is too old already, and McKinnon hasn't proven he can play centre at this level.  I would gladly take either on our team though, providing the first given up is not a top five pick.  

 

You ou have us picking in the rounds, but don't give any indication where in the round.  Is there a reason why you left that out?  

[Jam126]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Nicely thought out post.  Duchene is too old already, and McKinnon hasn't proven he can play centre at this level.  I would gladly take either on our team though, providing the first given up is not a top five pick.  

 

You ou have us picking in the rounds, but don't give any indication where in the round.  Is there a reason why you left that out?  

Just, stop...

[smithers joe]

is this benning's quest? or a cdc special.?

[J.I.A.H.N]

3 hours ago, coastal.view said:

sutter also has a no trade contract and has been referred to as a foundation player by benning

so i doubt he is on the radar to be moved

and it does appear that you really are hoping we can move immovable players for full value

we have already seen how hard that is

kesler let us choose from 1 team

vrabata basically nixed being moved a the deadline

hamhuis had too much control over his fate at the deadline

i cannot think of a recent player that was moved who had a trade restrictions in his contract where the canucks obtained full value

 

Good points Coastal, but most of them have been repeated a thousand times on here......ignoring the fact that Subban, Weber, and a multitude of other players have been traded................I have no idea why GM's even try to trade players, withstanding there is no point ????

 

I guess, I am hearing the words of an old boss of mine who said "don't tell me what the problem is, tell me what the solution is"

 

We have Edler, Hansen, Sutter, 3 first, 4 seconds, 3 thirds, 3 thirds in the next 3 years..............and you are implying we can't get a young 1st line center, even if we pay 1/2 their salary?

 

I do understand your point, and am not disagreeing it would be easy or cheap, but it is hot, my golf game got cancelled, I am really missing playing hockey, and am looking forward to the Canucks up and coming season and it is not coming quick enough.........

 

So, "thought" people might partake in a 1/2 full conversation...........that is all.

[coastal.view]

4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Good points Coastal, but most of them have been repeated a thousand times on here......ignoring the fact that Subban, Weber, and a multitude of other players have been traded................I have no idea why GM's even try to trade players, withstanding there is no point ????

 

I guess, I am hearing the words of an old boss of mine who said "don't tell me what the problem is, tell me what the solution is"

 

We have Edler, Hansen, Sutter, 3 first, 4 seconds, 3 thirds, 3 thirds in the next 3 years..............and you are implying we can't get a young 1st line center, even if we pay 1/2 their salary?

 

I do understand your point, and am not disagreeing it would be easy or cheap, but it is hot, my golf game got cancelled, I am really missing playing hockey, and am looking forward to the Canucks up and coming season and it is not coming quick enough.........

 

So, "thought" people might partake in a 1/2 full conversation...........that is all.

weber had no trade restrictions in his contract

suban was traded just before his contract trade restrictions vested

don't be so condescending

[J.I.A.H.N]

Just as a second thought Coastal.............if 2 GM's think it will improve both their clubs.................they will trade assets away

 

If Juolevi does come on strong within a year or 2..........Edler is being traded............and if we only get 2 seconds for him, well my bet is he goes, trade clause or no trade clause

[coastal.view]

3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Just as a second thought Coastal.............if 2 GM's think it will improve both their clubs.................they will trade assets away

 

If Juolevi does come on strong within a year or 2..........Edler is being traded............and if we only get 2 seconds for him, well my bet is he goes, trade clause or no trade clause

you over simplify the difficulty of the job of a gm

if they were as flippant as you about players

the team would find that free agents would be unwilling to sign with a franchise

that proves to have no intention to honour contracts

[J.I.A.H.N]

Just now, coastal.view said:

weber had no trade restrictions in his contract

suban was traded just before his contract trade restrictions vested

don't be so condescending

Sorry not trying to be, it is just, I keep on hearing "we can't, we can't" continually

 

You and I both know no trade is easy, and unless it is a no brainer, they don't usually happen over night

 

But you totally ignored Hansen and the picks, just to say no..........dare to dream, man! Dare to make a trade suggestion based on talent exchange.................that is what I am looking for...........it is not as if Benning is reading this stuff!

[J.I.A.H.N]

2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

you over simplify the difficulty of the job of a gm

if they were as flippant as you about players

the team would find that free agents would be unwilling to sign with a franchise

that proves to have no intention to honour contracts

You say that like it never happens......................again, Benning isn't reading this stuff! 1040 maybe, but not Benning

 

And, I think you are getting me wrong, as I really do want to hear your ideas.......please partake for fun!

 

Fun! God Damn it! Fun! lol

[J.I.A.H.N]

But I do understand your point about NTC's, they are difficult to move, but not impossible!

[J.I.A.H.N]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

Nicely thought out post.  Duchene is too old already, and McKinnon hasn't proven he can play centre at this level.  I would gladly take either on our team though, providing the first given up is not a top five pick.  

 

You ou have us picking in the rounds, but don't give any indication where in the round.  Is there a reason why you left that out?  

Alf, Duchene is 25 years old.............Hank and Dank are 36.............Duchene is not too old, buddy!

[Solinar]

I do like your analysis of tradeable assets, as well as who we could target, but I think there are better projects to go after.  I would like to see a trade with Buffalo for Reinhart.  Wouldn't mind trading with Montreal for Juulson.  Trading Edler and pick + prospect for Reinhart would be a fair deal and would benefit both franchises without endangering what we're doing here, which is still remaining competitive for the playoffs.  Edler would solidify Buffalo's backend and provide them with a good transition option while they season their excellent prospects.  As for Juulson, think he could be had at the tdl if we did something that would bolster Montreal's playoff chances.    All in all, it would give us our potential #1 center, another potential top 4 defenseman, clear some cap space, so that we can make a run at a top end free agent while still providing an environment where we could sign good UFA's.

[Alflives]

7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Alf, Duchene is 25 years old.............Hank and Dank are 36.............Duchene is not too old, buddy!

Tanev for Duchene?  Get 'er done JB.

[J.I.A.H.N]

4 hours ago, Alflives said:

Tanev for Duchene?  Get 'er done JB.

I am not sure Tanev for Duchene gets her done Alf 

What about Tanev + Hansen for Duchene + 2017 3rd

 

But I don't really think we should trade Tanev so, maybe

Edler + Sutter + 2019 1st for Duchene + 2018 2nd

 

As Coastal. View indicated, it won't be easy or cheap

 

I think, I am more interested in establishing value for some of

these possible trades

 

More importantly who are the centers we could possibly realistically

go after that would fit our Needs? 

[Alflives]

37 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am not sure Tanev for Duchene gets her done Alf 

What about Tanev + Hansen for Duchene + 2017 3rd

 

But I don't really think we should trade Tanev so, maybe

Edler + Sutter + 2019 1st for Duchene + 2018 2nd

 

As Coastal. View indicated, it won't be easy or cheap

 

I think, I am more interested in establishing value for some of

these possible trades

 

More importantly who are the centers we could possibly realistically

go after that would fit our Needs? 

How old is RNH?

[Ojibwa72]

On ‎8‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 10:42 AM, Alflives said:

How old is RNH?

I still say RNH is underrated and would be much easier to pry away as they now have McDavid and Draisaitl as there 1-2 punch. Best trade in my mind is for RNH and yes I would also take the flyer on Yakupov. This one might fly with your Edler + Hansen and no picks. If JB is truly the drafting GM we need our picks.

[Baggins]

On 8/13/2016 at 4:23 PM, Alflives said:

Nicely thought out post.  Duchene is too old already, and McKinnon hasn't proven he can play centre at this level.  I would gladly take either on our team though, providing the first given up is not a top five pick.  

 

You  have us picking in the rounds, but don't give any indication where in the round.  Is there a reason why you left that out?

Crystal ball is in the shop. So not knowing the final standings for yet to be played seasons, I'll stick my neck out, and say picking somewhere between 1st and 30th for the next 3 years should be a decent approximation.

[PhillipBlunt]

Is Benning's quest like King's Quest? I loved that game when I was a kid.