BaerToBo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 The canucks have a bright future. But going forward we have 2 glaring holes in our future lineup, at Center and Left Wing. Center being the more important position it makes sense imo to fill the hole. To Arizona: Jake Virtanen Guillaume Brisebois 2017 2nd round pick To Vancouver: Christian Dvorak Why Arizona does this: Arizona has many promising prospects at center and left wing. On left wing they have Domi Rieder and Perlini. At Center they have Strome Keller and Dvorak. But on right wing they only have Duclair. Acquiring Virtanen gives them a Right winger who's big fast physical and can finish who would be put in a position to succeed. With OEL and the acquisitions of Goligoski and Deangelo the Coyotes are rich with offensive defenceman and Brisbois could step in a few years down the road to balance out their lineup. The 2nd is to balance the value. Why Vancouver does this: Replacing the Sedins will be no easy task but acquiring Dvorak could make it less painfull. Dvorak can play wing or center very effectively and is solid in his own end. He also can play with star players (aka Boeser) given his success in junior playing with Marner and Tkachuk. If doen the road the Canucks acquire a higher touted Centerman Dvorak is capable of playing on the wing to create space. I truly believe he has the potential to be a great first line centerman. Imagine if the canucks manage to get a high enough pick to select Comtois in the upcoming draft. Comtois-Dvorak-Boeser Baertschi-Horvat-Etem Or if we win the lotto and snag Patrick... Dvorak-Patrick-Boeser Baertschi-Horvat-Etem He could also step into the lineup next year Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson Dvorak-Horvat-Hansen Baertschi-Sutter-Rodin Gaunce-Granlund-Dorsett Let me know if im being stupid overvaluing etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Huge overpayment. I'd rather have Virtanen than Dvorak even before you started adding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Virt >>>>>>>> Dvorak. So no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettinGuddyWithIt Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Nah. Virt is more important. I'd do this if it was Briesbois and a 2nd but never trade a young guy like Jake. Remember that Cam Neely trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavrohorvat53 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 yeah definitely an over payment on our part. Virtanen is untouchable. and can we please stop trading 2nd round picks lol i might do brisbois 2nd rounder for Dvorak though. btw i didn't bother to read the rest f your post cause of the proposal. so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Looking at the true #1 Cmen out there (one's who would be a true #1 Cman on most NHL teams), here's the ones who have played for more than one club: Seguin, Johansen, J.Staal and Turris So from this you can see that for the most part #1 Centres are homegrown. But that having been said I think this year's draft (Dubois) was our last chance for that before the Henrik Sedin thrill ride is over...in other words even if we got the 1o/a in 2017 it probably isn't enough time to develop our own before Hank retires. So we definitely need to go get one (no I don't believe McCann was going to be that guy...just want to put those comments to bed now). I have always thought we need to pull the trigger on a deal with Buffalo for Reinhart, but it would require significant chunks of our roster going back the other way, and I personally don't think that Nux fans could stomach a teardown like that. So I'm not sure where that leaves us. We don't have the player assets to trade for one (Hank and Daniel are beyond the trade point and if we traded Boesser or Demko NuckNation would revolt) and we don't have one coming up through the ranks so maybe our best bet is to trade our 2017 1st right now (as of right now all the supposed media "experts" have us as a high draft pick...what happens when the season gets going and the value of that 1st starts dropping because we are playing well?)...it just might currently be at it's highest value. What's the worst that could happen? We actually DO end up with the #1 o/a which we traded for our future #1 centreman? I'm OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, ABNuck said: Looking at the true #1 Cmen out there (one's who would be a true #1 Cman on most NHL teams), here's the ones who have played for more than one club: Seguin, Johansen, J.Staal and Turris So from this you can see that for the most part #1 Centres are homegrown. But that having been said I think this year's draft (Dubois) was our last chance for that before the Henrik Sedin thrill ride is over...in other words even if we got the 1o/a in 2017 it probably isn't enough time to develop our own before Hank retires. So we definitely need to go get one (no I don't believe McCann was going to be that guy...just want to put those comments to bed now). I have always thought we need to pull the trigger on a deal with Buffalo for Reinhart, but it would require significant chunks of our roster going back the other way, and I personally don't think that Nux fans could stomach a teardown like that. So I'm not sure where that leaves us. We don't have the player assets to trade for one (Hank and Daniel are beyond the trade point and if we traded Boesser or Demko NuckNation would revolt) and we don't have one coming up through the ranks so maybe our best bet is to trade our 2017 1st right now (as of right now all the supposed media "experts" have us as a high draft pick...what happens when the season gets going and the value of that 1st starts dropping because we are playing well?)...it just might currently be at it's highest value. What's the worst that could happen? We actually DO end up with the #1 o/a which we traded for our future #1 centreman? I'm OK with that. Hanks still got 2 years left and that’s if he doesn’t sign an extension. That means for the next two years we have Hank, Sutter, Bo down the middle. We don’t have room to acquire a current NHL player without moving one of those three. Hank and Sutter both have NTC and Bo is untouchable. Canucks have plenty of time to find a #1 center and we might have already drafted that player in Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Hanks still got 2 years left and that’s if he doesn’t sign an extension. That means for the next two years we have Hank, Sutter, Bo down the middle. We don’t have room to acquire a current NHL player without moving one of those three. Hank and Sutter both have NTC and Bo is untouchable. Canucks have plenty of time to find a #1 center and we might have already drafted that player in Bo. Won't be a "true" #1 I don't think. He may be thrust into the job (I'd rank him as a #1b...kinda like ROR) but that won't make us a contender anytime soon. Think top level #1C, that's where SC's go to visit. Most SCF teams have at least a 1a stud centreman...and most have a 1a and a 1b. I'll grant you that Bo will be that 1b, but we're still gonna be short that 1a guy to be considered a real contender (last time we went SCF it was Hank and Kes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, ABNuck said: Won't be a "true" #1 I don't think. He may be thrust into the job (I'd rank him as a #1b...kinda like ROR) but that won't make us a contender anytime soon. Think top level #1C, that's where SC's go to visit. Most SCF teams have at least a 1a stud centreman...and most have a 1a and a 1b. I'll grant you that Bo will be that 1b, but we're still gonna be short that 1a guy to be considered a real contender (last time we went SCF it was Hank and Kes). Define 1C, We've went with a skilled, point producing, play making center in Hank and ended up with no cups. Other notable a skilled, point producing, play making center would be Thornton, Backstrom, and potentially RNH, not a lot of playoff success. Then you have your all around elite #1 centers, Tavares, McJesus, Seguin, Malkin, and Crosby. Play makers, goal scorers, pace setters. These are your wet dreams type players and rarely enter the league, and with the draft lotto requires a ton luck if you want to acquire. I see the successful #1 c as Toews and Kopitar, two centers who are strong two way players that put up 65-75 points in a season. And that seems to be the trend teams are heading, Matthews, Barkov, Monahan, Scheifele and that's also where i'd rank Bo. I see him being a 70 point guy in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 9 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said: Nah. Virt is more important. I'd do this if it was Briesbois and a 2nd but never trade a young guy like Jake. Remember that Cam Neely trade? Virtanen is not Cam Neely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettinGuddyWithIt Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 hours ago, ice orca said: Virtanen is not Cam Neely. I never said that though. All I'm saying is you shouldn't trade your hometown boy who is a 6th overall pick this early because of all the potential he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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